IDW Transformers Thread

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm kind of glad I'm more a fan of Beast Wars than G1 because of that. Beast Wars had some pretty tight continuity (except for BW Megatron not putting G1 Megatron's spark back, but that was cut for time). There aren't really any lingering questions I have about that show. It was awesome while it last and then Hasbro murdered all my hopes and dreams for the line continuing when they went forward and aired Beast Machines as the abomination that it was. End of story.

It's kind of cool how Furman's going back to the Beast Wars stuff now, though. I'm kind of losing interest because there aren't any ties to the characters I care about from the shows, but some other characters are growing on me. I really can't seem to care about Lio Convoy, though. Optimus Primal is Prime's equivalent in BW. **** the Convoys.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I'm kind of glad I'm more a fan of Beast Wars than G1 because of that. Beast Wars had some pretty tight continuity (except for BW Megatron not putting G1 Megatron's spark back, but that was cut for time). There aren't really any lingering questions I have about that show. It was awesome while it last and then Hasbro murdered all my hopes and dreams for the line continuing when they went forward and aired Beast Machines as the abomination that it was. End of story.

It's kind of cool how Furman's going back to the Beast Wars stuff now, though. I'm kind of losing interest because there aren't any ties to the characters I care about from the shows, but some other characters are growing on me. I really can't seem to care about Lio Convoy, though. Optimus Primal is Prime's equivalent in BW. **** the Convoys.

I guess you werent a fan of the Japanese Beast wars toons then becaust I'm loving the new comic.....I cant wait to see what they do with Lio Convoy, he always had more of a G1 Prime feel to me....and Big Convoy had a Sixshot feel to him [from the Japanese Headmasters] He considered him self the 1 bot army.

I also was a fan of Beast Machines.....it was no way as good as Beast Wars but it was a hell of a lot better then Armada and those that followed.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, that's true, I guess. But still, that's like saying normal **** is better than diarrhea.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Well, that's true, I guess. But still, that's like saying normal **** is better than diarrhea.

Well normal $h1+ is better then diarrhea.......its much eazyer to clean up and if your in a public bat room not everybody hears the loud squriting sound that comes with diarrhea The biggest things wrong with BM was the ending and the mystical issues if you take those issues out of the episodes it really wasnt that bad.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The whole organics-on-Cybertron plot was awful to me. Cybertron doesn't need organic junk. Hell, the whole reason it was cool in the G1 era is because it was a totally mechanized world with totally mechanized people living on it. Then there was the fact that the Maximals morphed instead of transforming. Then there was the fact that Silverbolt came back all emo. Then there was pretty much everything involving Nightscream. Then there was Rattrap. The whole thing was just lame. I can pretty much only watch the first episode now.

 

[Stikmann]

BM was wrong on so many levels it pains me when I go back and watch my Beast Wars DVDs. It’s amazing that they could take almost every single good detail of BW and make it bad in BM. Not only that, but BM effectively closed the door on the entire BW universe (and by default, G1 as well). So any chance of re-visiting the characters/universe in the future was pretty much squashed. I’m not usually one for retcon’s but I’d love for Furman to do a Beast Wars comic that somehow erased BM. Somehow time travel back to the shuttle leaving Earth at the and of BW and erase every single detail of BM. I couldn’t care less about the current Beast Wars comics. I don’t know the characters and I don’t really care to.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

You know, I think Furman already did erase BM from continuity. Think about it: Razorbeast and Magmatron are all well aware of what happened in the Beast Wars show. That means they must be from some later point in the timeline, after the Beast Wars cast comes back. But Cybertron isn't a lush, grassy paradise, is it?

Personally, I'm hoping that by the end of The Ascending, something happens to shift Razorbeast and Magmatron's groups back into regular time and they screw up the launch for the show's characters, changing the future and ensuring BM never happens.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

You know, I think Furman already did erase BM from continuity. Think about it: Razorbeast and Magmatron are all well aware of what happened in the Beast Wars show. That means they must be from some later point in the timeline, after the Beast Wars cast comes back. But Cybertron isn't a lush, grassy paradise, is it?

Personally, I'm hoping that by the end of The Ascending, something happens to shift Razorbeast and Magmatron's groups back into regular time and they screw up the launch for the show's characters, changing the future and ensuring BM never happens.

I've been thinking the same thing.....but with out a staement from IDW or Furmen we'll have to wait and see.What makes me think that BM has been removed isint the Razor Beast's timeframe version of cybertron but the future Cybertron that Magmatron sees being destroyed while outside the time stream.

Getting back on the whole BM's ended the BW and G1 story telling thing.....You know there was a continuation planed called TransTech????It featured the return of G1 Megatron, Optimus Prime and Starscream and the continuing story of the Beast Wars/Machines characters.But it never got made.

 

[El Bastardo]

Getting back on the whole BM's ended the BW and G1 story telling thing.....You know there was a continuation planed called TransTech????It featured the return of G1 Megatron, Optimus Prime and Starscream and the continuing story of the Beast Wars/Machines characters.But it never got made.

Good thing, too.

And I second what Corp said. Optimus Primal's the mo'effing ape and Prime. Not this Convoy crap. What kind of name is Convoy anyway? At least Optimus Primal was a witty name.

I won't say the Beast Wars comics are losing my interest because of characters. It's more a pacing issue. Lots of action, which is fine, because they're Fig's pencils, but at the same time... well, we have two issues left for something to happen, and I don't think much has happened thus far. And it's halfway.

It would be nice to see BW characters, but I think Furman said back when "The Gathering" was released that he didn't want to muck with that timeline.

If he took some of these characters and made them a little more memorable, memorable like the BW characters, it'd be a lot better, I think.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Good thing, too.

And I second what Corp said. Optimus Primal's the mo'effing ape and Prime. Not this Convoy crap. What kind of name is Convoy anyway? At least Optimus Primal was a witty name.

I won't say the Beast Wars comics are losing my interest because of characters. It's more a pacing issue. Lots of action, which is fine, because they're Fig's pencils, but at the same time... well, we have two issues left for something to happen, and I don't think much has happened thus far. And it's halfway.

It would be nice to see BW characters, but I think Furman said back when "The Gathering" was released that he didn't want to muck with that timeline.

If he took some of these characters and made them a little more memorable, memorable like the BW characters, it'd be a lot better, I think.

The morphing thing on BM's was becaus they were doing the show with out the consept models of the toys.Thet had no idea hot the toys would transform....and it was to save money.It was cheeper to just have them morph.But it did look stupid.

Convoy is the name for every Prime in the Japanese showes.All the Primes have been knowen as convoy since the diaclone days when he was knowen as "Battle Convoy" Takara shortened the name to "Convoy" for their G1 Transformers lineup.For the Japanese of the 70's and 80's big trucks were considered to be parts of a Truck Convoy hence why they yoused the name.As a matter of fact the first time the Ultra Magnus toy mold was used he was called "Power Convoy".While they stoped useing the name with the Japanese show Masterforce for their leaders it was again used when they imported our Beast Wars for their market because they believed that Beast Convoy [Optimus Primal] was just a new body for the G1 convoy [G1 Optimus Prime] and that BW Megatron was a new body for his G1 counterpart as well.They didnt realise that they were different characters till the end of the 2nd season.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Geez, you would think Hasbro/Takara would've put them in contact with the Canadian producers of the show...

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Geez, you would think Hasbro/Takara would've put them in contact with the Canadian producers of the show...

Beast Machines toys were designed by Hasbro with no imput from Takara at all.And the issues with the bad CGI rendering was that the show creators and toy creators developed the characters independently from each other with only basic concept sketches to work by.Beast Machines was a rush job and it showed.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That is a startling lack of coordination...

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

That is a startling lack of coordination...

Thats what happen's when the main conseren is having an advertisment for a product out there for people to see before you have the product manufactured to sell.
Talk about counting you chickens before their hatched

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, and their chickens ****ed up the once-great Beast Wars saga, too.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Yeah, and their chickens ****ed up the once-great Beast Wars saga, too.

Very true.

 

[El Bastardo]

The morphing thing on BM's was becaus they were doing the show with out the consept models of the toys.Thet had no idea hot the toys would transform....and it was to save money.It was cheeper to just have them morph.But it did look stupid.

Convoy is the name for every Prime in the Japanese showes.All the Primes have been knowen as convoy since the diaclone days when he was knowen as "Battle Convoy" Takara shortened the name to "Convoy" for their G1 Transformers lineup.For the Japanese of the 70's and 80's big trucks were considered to be parts of a Truck Convoy hence why they yoused the name.As a matter of fact the first time the Ultra Magnus toy mold was used he was called "Power Convoy".While they stoped useing the name with the Japanese show Masterforce for their leaders it was again used when they imported our Beast Wars for their market because they believed that Beast Convoy [Optimus Primal] was just a new body for the G1 convoy [G1 Optimus Prime] and that BW Megatron was a new body for his G1 counterpart as well.They didnt realise that they were different characters till the end of the 2nd season.

I don't really care. I know that Convoy whatever, or rather, whatever Convoy, was the name of the Primes in Japan.

I'm pretty sure I don't live in Japan.

This is going to sound awfully haughty of me, or whatever adjective you deem appropriate, but I don't want Japanese names. I know that Furman is keeping the Convoy names such because they're Japanese characters that were never seen over here. But, y'know, I don't care. I really don't.

I don't want a hero whose frickin' name is <Something> Convoy. PRIME is an awesome name. Convoy r teh sux0rz.

Optimus Primal > Beast Convoy. It's simple mathematics - with words!

I grew up saving Princess Toadstool, thank you very much. Not frickin' Princess Peach.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm not that vehement about it, but I agree in principle. I certainly don't want Lio Convoy or any other Convoy to be the be-all and end-all of heroic leaders in the American Beast Wars universe. Optimus Primal is the ultimate leader of the Maximal forces, and the level of respect given to a Prime should be afforded him, since he basically is the Prime for the BW era. Convoy is just another Maximal to me, more on par with Prowl's subcommander status in the G1 comics than the big, badass superhero of the good guys.

 

[El Bastardo]

Yeah, definitely.

And besides, the Convoy doofs haven't merged with the REAL Prime's spark, have they?

Have they? No!

There's nothing Optimal about them. Primal should just... pinch their heads with his giant Autobot-sized fingers.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Hey, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.

 

[Spike_x1]

The morphing thing on BM's was becaus they were doing the show with out the consept models of the toys.Thet had no idea hot the toys would transform....and it was to save money.It was cheeper to just have them morph.But it did look stupid.

I just rewatched a few episodes of Beast Machines on youtube, and I realize now that a very large part of why I disliked the show was the models they used and the morphing. I might have actually been able to withstand some of the lamer plot elements if they had been surrounded with decent character models to carry the story out. SO much potential was there; if only they had worked together with toy concepts models and had the characters' parts actually shift and move like previous TFs, instead of just disappearing in a magical glow.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that was stupid. The actual designs of most characters wasn't too bad and the animation itself was top-notch, but the morphing was lame.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Yeah, definitely.

And besides, the Convoy doofs haven't merged with the REAL Prime's spark, have they?

Have they? No!

There's nothing Optimal about them. Primal should just... pinch their heads with his giant Autobot-sized fingers.

Well I guess what I'm about to tell you will disapoint all of you and mostly El Bastardo.....In the Beast Wars II movie ,Lio Convoy did infact merge his spark and his matrix with that of Lengendary Convoy who was by the way ,G1 Convoy in a new body.......that of Beast Convoy.When japan first got our Beast Wars they thought that Primal was just a new body for G1 Prime.
And even thou I have gotten used to the names of Convoy......what would you have Furman call these guys anyway?????Lio Primal[Prime] and Woolly Primal [Prime]?????These 2 are living in the same time frame as each other and I'm not to sure just how far removed that time frame is from that of Optimus Primal.......do you guys think that there should be more then one Prime or Primal at the same time????????

 

[El Bastardo]

Well I guess what I'm about to tell you will disapoint all of you and mostly El Bastardo.....In the Beast Wars II movie ,Lio Convoy did infact merge his spark and his matrix with that of Lengendary Convoy who was by the way ,G1 Convoy in a new body.......that of Beast Convoy.When japan first got our Beast Wars they thought that Primal was just a new body for G1 Prime.
And even thou I have gotten used to the names of Convoy......what would you have Furman call these guys anyway?????Lio Primal[Prime] and Woolly Primal [Prime]?????These 2 are living in the same time frame as each other and I'm not to sure just how far removed that time frame is from that of Optimus Primal.......do you guys think that there should be more then one Prime or Primal at the same time????????

I don't care what the Japanese people did with their Beast Wars. My Beast Wars is what counts and what I go by. Besides, they were even acting under the wrong assumption if they thought Primal was the original Optimus in a new body. Thus, everything they did is flawed. Simple as.

And what would I have Furman call them other than Convoy? I dunno. But I'm sure a guy like Simon Furman, who can keep coming up with new and original Transformers stories across several separate mythologies, can come up with some good names for them.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, there's nothing wrong with the name "Convoy." Just as long as Furman knows that American fans like the American Beast Wars, ergo the Convoys are subordinate to Optimus Primal in the BW hierarchy. I don't even really have a problem with Lio Convoy being the leader of a secondary group of Maximals on Cybertron or something. Make him a venerated war hero or whatever. Just don't make him overshadow Primal.

As for duplicate names in the same time frame: isn't there a Big Convoy who transforms into a mammoth in the same time frame as Lio Convoy?