IDW Transformers Thread

[TheCorpulent1]

I think Earth killed itself through bad environmental policies, but that might be a bit too topical for BW.

 

[El Bastardo]

Or that.

 

[Spike_x1]

Well, I guess in the mind of someone who knows exactly what they're asking, it would be obvious. That said, you have to drop some clues as to what you're referring to.

You asked about the Earth from Beast Wars. That was a prehistoric Earth. We saw no futuristic Earth in Beast Wars. Thus, the Earth in Beast Wars was, again, a prehistoric Earth, the dawn of mankind. Now, had you asked about an Earth after the Great War, or the Earth at the time the Axalon and Darkside (I looked up Megatron's ship name, woot) went through the time slip, as opposed to the Earth from Beast Wars, well, yes, I suppose that would have been more obvious.

I'm well aware that no modern earth was shown in either series. That was the whole point in my asking the original question .

And mentioning Beast Machines doesn't technically assist your case, since Beast Machines was a continuation of Beast Wars, and since no Earth was shown, one would reference back to the Earth in Beast Wars.

I fail to see even the most basic logic in that. Why exactly would someone, when asked about the Earth of the Beast Machines' era, refer back to Beast Wars' prehistoric earth (if that's what was meant, BW would've been all that was said), instead of using an ounce of intelligence and putting two and two together ? BM may have been a continuation of Beast Wars, but then again, BW was a continuation of G1; so what was stopping you from referring back that far if you're just going to ignore common sense and simply go with whatever happens to vaguely fill the blanks?

 

[El Bastardo]

There's more logic in relating Beast Machines to Beast Wars than there is in saying "OH, the Earth that was never shown in Beast Machines must have been, like, 90 million years older, LIKE TOTALLY."

And no, Beast Wars wasn't a continuation of Generation 1. Not in the same way Beast Machines was a continuation of Beast Wars, if at all. With the exception of Starscream being a one-episode guest star and Ravage showing up for three, there's no continuation of characters from Generation 1. There is, however, in Beast Machines, a sad, sad, unfortunate continuation of characters from Beast Wars. Do note the word "continuation."

Beast Wars takes place in the same mythology as Generation 1. It takes place on the same planet as Generation 1 later does. The same universe, whatever term you want. But it is not a continuation of Generation 1.

Again, just because you knew what you wanted doesn't mean the question was coherently put forth.
But, really, if the question is so simple and it's so easy to put two and two together for purposes of other people speculating on a point that was so absolutely inconsequential to either series that it was never even mentioned as a side comment coming from any character, why couldn't you do the speculation itself?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow, people really will argue about anything on this message board.

 

[Spike_x1]

There's more logic in relating Beast Machines to Beast Wars than there is in saying "OH, the Earth that was never shown in Beast Machines must have been, like, 90 million years older, LIKE TOTALLY."

And no, Beast Wars wasn't a continuation of Generation 1. Not in the same way Beast Machines was a continuation of Beast Wars, if at all. With the exception of Starscream being a one-episode guest star and Ravage showing up for three, there's no continuation of characters from Generation 1. There is, however, in Beast Machines, a sad, sad, unfortunate continuation of characters from Beast Wars. Do note the word "continuation."

"If you ignore all those characters who would make BW a continuation of G1, it's not a continuation at all."

Yeah right. Tell me another one. Look up the word "continuation" in any dictionary and then try running that thought through your head one more time .

Again, just because you knew what you wanted doesn't mean the question was coherently put forth.

From what I've gathered from your responses so far, you've implied that even if all I had asked about was "the Earth from the Beast Machines era," and hadn't even mention BW, you would've referred back to the Pre-historic Earth anyway:

And mentioning Beast Machines doesn't technically assist your case, since Beast Machines was a continuation of Beast Wars, and since no Earth was shown, one would reference back to the Earth in Beast Wars.

/\ See?

So, if that is any indication, an argument could even be made that I simply didn't anticipate the lack of common sense in the potential posters' response, which would throw your entire analysis of the coherency of my original question off. If that's the case, then I accept full responsibility.

But, really, if the question is so simple and it's so easy to put two and two together for purposes of other people speculating on a point that was so absolutely inconsequential to either series that it was never even mentioned as a side comment coming from any character, why couldn't you do the speculation itself?

Perhaps curiosity? Maybe it was mentioned in one of the BW comics, which I haven't read, and therefore someone else here may have had the answer? A whole host of reasons, really. Why does anybody ever ask anything? Because someone more knowledgeable on the subject hopefully has the answer.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

How the **** are Lio Convoy and Big Convoy both carrying the Matrix? Furman's determined to **** everything up in the BW era, isn't he?

Yeah it looks like he's taking more from the Japanese then we thought.....for them' Every member of the Convoy council carries a Matrix.Even others of high rank carry one....like RID Ultra Magnus in their version of the show had a matrix.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

AAARGH, that's ******ed. Who gives a crap about the Matrix if everyone and their mother has one?

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

AAARGH, that's ******ed. Who gives a crap about the Matrix if everyone and their mother has one?

I dont think any females have a Matrix

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Robo-sexism at its worst.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Robo-sexism at its worst.

I always wondered if sex was the real reason for the civil war

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No way, dude. Megatron could get tail wherever he wanted.

 

[El Bastardo]

Wow, people really will argue about anything on this message board.

Well, maybe not people, but I will.
And I'll do a good job of it, too!

My mother always said I should've been on a debate team. But those things have rules that suck.

 

[El Bastardo]

Yeah it looks like he's taking more from the Japanese then we thought.....for them' Every member of the Convoy council carries a Matrix.Even others of high rank carry one....like RID Ultra Magnus in their version of the show had a matrix.

I hated Ultra Magnus. Even in the movie.

"I can't care about that right now!"

Hey, mofo, you're supposed to be leading the Autobots, and even if you're running like a chicken, you should probably care that the other ship just got trounced!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, he was a ****ty leader. I like him in the comics now, though. He's the Autobots' version of Dog the bounty hunter.

 

[El Bastardo]

Well, Rodimus wasn't that swell of a leader either.

But yeah, I like IDW's version of Ultra Magnus. It'll be interesting to see where Furman adds him into the G1 stuff. And where the next two spotlights (one is out this week) fit in. Ramjet and Blaster.

BLASTER, BABY. They need to get Blaster and Jazz in a dance-off. That's right, I'm racial stereotyping the Cybertronians.

And it'll be interesting to see where Furman'll take the Headmaster thing.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, the Headmaster addition is weird. I never liked the idea of Headmasters in the cartoon. It was just awkward and strange for a guy be playing the part of an Autobot's head. That'd be like having your cat transform into your arm or something. Weird symbiosis that really shouldn't work...

 

[Anubis]

I thought Target Masters were better though. Better a gun than a head.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

A gun works, since it's not an intrinsic part of the TF. Although, come to think of it, I never did figure out where the TF's put those things when they weren't using them...

 

[El Bastardo]

Well, I think a large part that saves the idea as implemented in Devastation is that they're not Autobots or Decepticons that are being controlled. Just clones of Sunstreaker, which for all intents and purposes are not autonomous beings, but produced robotic bodies. So it makes some sense that they could be controlled as such.

Battle-suits.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Hunter's totally gonna be Sunstreaker's new head, dude.

 

[El Bastardo]

... Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

Well, no! Sunstreaker still has a head. It's just... kind of detached. And really, we don't know where his body is, so!

I'm kind of expecting both Sunstreaker and Hunter to meet their ends. I don't know why.

Ironhide better not die. But he should come in and whoop on the Sunstreaker clones.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

When did it become expected for Ironhide to be the ungodly badass? All I remember of him from the cartoon is his southern accent and my wondering why he looked the same as Ratchet.

 

[El Bastardo]

Because he had a southern accent and kind of acted like a brawler, didn't he? I don't remember a whole ton about the cartoon in the 80s, admittedly.

I don't know. I'm just saying that he should do something, considering he really hasn't.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, he was ready to fight all the time, but I don't remember him being particularly good at it. But now we've got Ironhide as the weapons expert guy with gigantic cannons in the movie and you're wishing Ironhide tears some **** up on the Sunstreaker clones in the comic. I thought there was something I missed where Ironhide was revealed to be a super badass somewhere along the line.