IESB: Welling out of the running for JLA Superman

[AgentPat]

Look, I'm divided here. I want Routh for JL, but I'm happy he's pursuing his career outside of Superman and establishing himself.

Wouldn't most people be happy about that? I mean, even the people who didn't like him in SR - wouldn't they be happy he was moving on?

At the same time, I want to keep JL in a different universe from the Singer and Nolan universes.

According to most reports, Warners wants that too.

So, a new guy is the best way to go. Like someone said earlier, keep Routh in the Singer movies, keep Welling in Smallville, and, well, let's have a new guy have a crack at Superman. I hate this Routh vs Welling/SR vs SV wars. They are horrible. But I'm no innocent. I have contributed to these wars....

It's funny, 'cause while I agree with the sentiment, I can't think of one topic that has ignited more passion in places like this than the casting of Superman. Even the suit arguments pale in comparison to Who. Should. Be. Superman. So the belief that it could end by casting yet *another* actor in the role makes me chuckle. Right now, it's just two actors. Can you imagine if and when it becomes THREE? Get yer helmets on kids, we're in for a WILD ride.

Because I think Welling is a horrible actor, and would be a horrible Superman...

Hee! Well, I felt the same way about Routh. I thought he was a horrible actor and made a horrible Superman. But ooopzzz... there's that argument again.

And, at least to me, a poll that pits the lead of a show that has been on the air for 7 years against the lead in ONE movie that under performed, means nothing.

In a way, I agree with you. But that's just ONE poll. There were many others that were taken before SR when the TV show had only been on the air for 2 or 3 years. The results were similar. At MSNBC, 74% of 66 thousand people voted for Welling. At CNN, 55% of 28 thousand voted the same, etc. So what you have is evidence of a great deal of support by the general public for one actor, and it's not going away! This is even *after* another actor was cast in the role in a critically acclaimed blockbuster film. If you were the suits at Warners, wouldn't you be thinking, "What's up with that?"

Now the question comes down to, should they cast the same actor again and hope he catches on after two films, should they cast a new actor and hope HE can win over the general public, or should they just cast the actor that a lot of people have been begging for since as far back as 2003?

Hmmm... decisions, decisions.

Who's to say that poll wouldn't be drastically affected if Routh were to star in a kickass Superman movie? Just some thoughts.

Well, there's also the argument that if the queen had balls, she'd be king, but I understand your point.

I think a lot of people voting for Routh do so just because he was cast in the film, not because he or the film were particularly amazing. Not saying YOU are doing that, but I have seen the argument that "Routh is Superman now, so why change?" George Lazenby was "James Bond" by virtue of a casting decision. Val Kilmer and George Clooney were "Batman" by virtue of a casting decision. But how many people really see those actors AS those characters? Whether it was the actor, the movie, or the public's preconceived notions themselves, those actors didn't click in the role.

There really is no way of knowing how the public will react to a particular actor until he's cast. That said, something is afoot when one actor keeps being "fan-casted" for a particular role. Call it the Christian Bale effect. Maybe Warners is thinking, well it worked before, lets try it again? I dunno. It's a no-brainer to me, but it's not my decision. *shrugs*




Anyhoo, here's something to squee about no matter what happens...

I :heart:

 

[Dark Knight]

Yup , now (minus flash) as long as the actors don't look too young , i don't care about their age..

What i don't wan't when i think about it is known actor.

those characters sell themselves .

and it would help to buy a new Batman ..

Ryan Gosling 's Batman? Josh Hartett 's Batman?

those characters are way too iconics..and especially when you have no time to devellop them fully...

no need for "stars".just : "that is the justice league there onscreen "

I would prefer some known established name actors and some unknown less established actors. I do not want unknown inexperienced actors coming off the freakin streets from restaurants in LA to being playing all of these iconic characters.

Superman is going to be Welling or Routh.

Batman needs to be a name IMO. Hartnett would not be a bad choice because he is a good actor and NOT an overexposed star per say and he can tone up easily. I would much rather see someone like Caviezel....but that won't happen.

WW needs to be a known to semi known actress. Jessica Biel or Jennifer Connelly would have/be great IMO. I just hope they don't get some unknown off the streets who has done a few commercials and been an extra on a TV show. It would be horrible.

For the Flash......Gosling would be a good choice for Allen.....and of course Reynolds would be ideal for Wally.

GL/John Stewart can be a more of an unknown type or known actor who isn't a big time name. Just as long as it isn't ridiculous choices like Tyrese or a freakin rapper. Morris Chestnut or Henry Simmons are my choices. What about Isaiah Washington?

Manhunter- semi known or unknown would be good. What about Dennis Haysbert or Chiwetel Ejiofor?

 

[Nightwing1977]

Yes, Routh has to earn his way before being offered movies like 'The Fog' and "Cheaper by the Dozen 2'.

Good thing he haven't done those kind of "too kid-friendly" films yet.

And I'm sorry I got a little carried away. I'm just sick of some who love SV or Welling or whatever using excuses to put down Routh. I seen some great SV fans who never put down Routh like some here does. I may be guilty of putting down Welling or at least saying my view of his work, but I didn't started it first & I'm trying to let some not use excuses. We just can't win on that, so please let not have anymore popularity contest or who is better. It not going to get us anywhere. Let talk about Superman in JLA than who is better or who is more popular, etc.

 

[AgentPat]

Let talk about Superman in JLA than who is better or who is more popular, etc.

I'm curious. How does one do that in a casting thread w/o siting reasons why they prefer a particular actor? It usually boils down to subjective opinion, no? Whether it's looks, size, talent, voice, age, experience, availability... it's all still just a personal preference, right?

 

[I Am The Knight]

It's funny, 'cause while I agree with the sentiment, I can't think of one topic that has ignited more passion in places like this than the casting of Superman. Even the suit arguments pale in comparison to Who. Should. Be. Superman. So the belief that it could end by casting yet *another* actor in the role makes me chuckle. Right now, it's just two actors. Can you imagine if and when it becomes THREE? Get yer helmets on kids, we're in for a WILD ride.

Yeah, that would create a whole new war of epic proportions. The **new guy**angle would work for me since Routh won't be back and I don't want Welling, heh.

Hee! Well, I felt the same way about Routh. I thought he was a horrible actor and made a horrible Superman. But ooopzzz... there's that argument again.

That's fine. Everyone is entitled to my opinion anyways. Ooops, I mean...Ummm...Well you know what I mean. Let's agree to disagree on that one.

In a way, I agree with you. But that's just ONE poll. There were many others that were taken before SR when the TV show had only been on the air for 2 or 3 years. The results were similar. At MSNBC, 74% of 66 thousand people voted for Welling. At CNN, 55% of 28 thousand voted the same, etc. So what you have is evidence of a great deal of support by the general public for one actor, and it's not going away! This is even *after* another actor was cast in the role in a critically acclaimed blockbuster film. If you were the suits at Warners, wouldn't you be thinking, "What's up with that?"

Hmm, OK. Welling does have the upper hand in popularity it seems. I still stand by my position that with Routh, with great exposure comes great popularity, (as a far he does his job right)

Now the question comes down to, should they cast the same actor again and hope he catches on after two films, should they cast a new actor and hope HE can win over the general public, or should they just cast the actor that a lot of people have been begging for since as far back as 2003?

Warners seems to be going for the hot, young actors. I'd prefer an older cast overall. I realize Welling might be cast because of this. Lately I've become more open to the idea of TW being in JL...I don't like it but like I said, I'm a Superman fan first and foremost, so eventually I can get past the actor who's playing him. (hopefully)

I think a lot of people voting for Routh do so just because he was cast in the film, not because he or the film were particularly amazing. Not saying YOU are doing that, but I have seen the argument that "Routh is Superman now, so why change?" George Lazenby was "James Bond" by virtue of a casting decision. Val Kilmer and George Clooney were "Batman" by virtue of a casting decision. But how many people really see those actors AS those characters? Whether it was the actor, the movie, or the public's preconceived notions themselves, those actors didn't click in the role.

I see what you mean. I wanted Routh because he is Superman to me now. But I am ready to accept someone else as far as theye're up to the task of playing the part.

There really is no way of knowing how the public will react to a particular actor until he's cast. That said, something is afoot when one actor keeps being "fan-casted" for a particular role. Call it the Christian Bale effect. Maybe Warners is thinking, well it worked before, lets try it again? I dunno. It's a no-brainer to me, but it's not my decision. *shrugs*

I'm not sure, but I think Bale was more of a universal pick for Batman than Welling is for Superman. I realize SV and TW have a big fanbase, but if Welling was as popular for the role as Bale was, we probably wouldn't have this casting wars between Routh fans and Welling fans.

Anyhoo, here's something to squee about no matter what happens...

I :heart:

**Will he get any ideas?**

 

[Webhead2006]

yea i saw those pics for "action" over on ksite just a little while ago, looks pretty good. I heard about him receving a gift(the cape) a few weeks back.

 

[Maze]

I would prefer some known established name actors and some unknown less established actors. I do not want unknown inexperienced actors coming off the freakin streets from restaurants in LA to being playing all of these iconic characters.

Superman is going to be Welling or Routh.

Batman needs to be a name IMO. Hartnett would not be a bad choice because he is a good actor and NOT an overexposed star per say and he can tone up easily. I would much rather see someone like Caviezel....but that won't happen.

WW needs to be a known to semi known actress. Jessica Biel or Jennifer Connelly would have/be great IMO. I just hope they don't get some unknown off the streets who has done a few commercials and been an extra on a TV show. It would be horrible.

For the Flash......Gosling would be a good choice for Allen.....and of course Reynolds would be ideal for Wally.

GL/John Stewart can be a more of an unknown type or known actor who isn't a big time name. Just as long as it isn't ridiculous choices like Tyrese or a freakin rapper. Morris Chestnut or Henry Simmons are my choices. What about Isaiah Washington?

Manhunter- semi known or unknown would be good. What about Dennis Haysbert or Chiwetel Ejiofor?

Come on , there are you 're speaking about guys from the streets? i'm speaking about professional actors with experience.. talented people .. there are thousand of professional who never got their big break but who work in theater and so on..

No i don't agree.. you don't need names....Who was Reeve before Superman ?

 

[Dark Knight]

Come on , there are you 're speaking about guys from the streets? i'm speaking about professional actors with experience.. talented people .. there are thousand of professional who never got their big break but who work in theater and so on..

No i don't agree.. you don't need names....Who was Reeve before Superman ?

Reeves was an experienced theater actor mostly.....and once again your bringing up Reeves being cast as Superman as an example of what? That happened a very LONG time ago buddy....just about 30 years ago!

Some of you in here had the audacity to compare Reeve with Routh.....because everyone so hard on for an "unknown" actor to play Superman.....but Routh can't hold Reeves jock.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea it is hard for any new actor to play superman cause they will always be compared to how well reeve did the role.

 

[Maze]

Reeves was an experienced theater actor mostly.....and once again your bringing up Reeves being cast as Superman as an example of what? That happened a very LONG time ago buddy....just about 30 years ago!

Some of you in here had the audacity to compare Reeve with Routh.....because everyone so hard on for an "unknown" actor to play Superman.....but Routh can't hold Reeves jock.

yup , but i don't compare him to Reeve right now, you do.

all i'm saying is a long time ago or not there are great experienced actors playing right now in theater.

after that you wan't known people , fair enough i don't

 

[shapeshifter]

i liked this movie better when I thought it was going to be CG.
**** it I'm going to get drunk and go see the random chick flick that comes out the same week. Thats how committed I am to my belief that this movie will blow.

 

[Webhead2006]

well we dont really know anything on the film besides the characters in the film, the rumor plot, and writers/director. I will wait for cast to be revealed and to see photos from the set and a trailer before i judge the film.

 

[shapeshifter]

Yeah, that would create a whole new war of epic proportions. The **new guy**angle would work for me since Routh won't be back and I don't want Welling, heh.
That's fine. Everyone is entitled to my opinion anyways. Ooops, I mean...Ummm...Well you know what I mean. Let's agree to disagree on that one.Hmm, OK. Welling does have the upper hand in popularity it seems. I still stand by my position that with Routh, with great exposure comes great popularity, (as a far he does his job right)Warners seems to be going for the hot, young actors. I'd prefer an older cast overall. I realize Welling might be cast because of this. Lately I've become more open to the idea of TW being in JL...I don't like it but like I said, I'm a Superman fan first and foremost, so eventually I can get past the actor who's playing him. (hopefully)I see what you mean. I wanted Routh because he is Superman to me now. But I am ready to accept someone else as far as theye're up to the task of playing the part.
I'm not sure, but I think Bale was more of a universal pick for Batman than Welling is for Superman. I realize SV and TW have a big fanbase, but if Welling was as popular for the role as Bale was, we probably wouldn't have this casting wars between Routh fans and Welling fans.



**Will he get any ideas?**

yeah he will make another ****ing red coat out of it, because that is the closets we will ever get to a superman costume with that c***f***ing show.
sorry, I'm very bitter, and I had a long day

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

i liked this movie better when I thought it was going to be CG.
**** it I'm going to get drunk and go see the random chick flick that comes out the same week. Thats how committed I am to my belief that this movie will blow.

I am also 100% certain the movie will suck, as will its BO takings, but WB seemed to lose the ability of common sense after BB and SR were such good movies, they though, "Lets go back to the B&R years!"

 

[Webhead2006]

it is way to early to judge how this is going to go.

 

[buggs0268]

I am also 100% certain the movie will suck, as will its BO takings, but WB seemed to lose the ability of common sense after BB and SR were such good movies, they though, "Lets go back to the B&R years!"

You don't know that. This is just bias.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

How can you be 100% certain a movie is going to suck before it's even made. That doesn't make any sense. You just sound like an idiot.

 

[Steelsheen]

fearless predictions. haha gotta love 'em

 

[Etienne]

You don't know that. This is just bias.

Were all biased.

 

[KBX]

Were all biased.

Well there is a difference between being bias and having common sense...

Common sense would lead you to believe that this movie would make ridiculous amounts of money........ thats not bias...

 

[buggs0268]

How can you be 100% certain a movie is going to suck before it's even made. That doesn't make any sense. You just sound like an idiot.

He isn't. He is a Singer fan who is upset they chose this over SR2.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I'm a fan of SR too, but that's still a stupid statement.

 

[Etienne]

Well there is a difference between being bias and having common sense...

Common sense would lead you to believe that this movie would make ridiculous amounts of money........ thats not bias...

Now thats a better way of saying it, but thats not what Buggs said he said he was "Biased".

 

[buggs0268]

I'm a fan of SR too, but that's still a stupid statement.

I think he is just upset that JLA is in prodcuction and SR2 is not is all. He started as a fan of Singer, and then became a Superman fan but he is a Singer fan first and foremost. He is just mad that Singer is not going to be able to make his sequel. Can you begrudge a guy for that?

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Yes I can. Seriously, it's probably just the way he said it.