IESB: Welling out of the running for JLA Superman

[Gmanofsteel]

yeah.

she did say she was happy with the cast list she has so far.

so lets see that list.....

agreed

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Nope, cast or not Welling is our Superman

Impossible since he has technically never been Superman. And how can he on that show when everyone and his grandmother has seen him without his glasses off. He has no secret identity. What would he do when he actually becomes Superman, put on glasses then?

But I know we don't have to worry about that since the writers will conveniently never address that issue.

 

[Gmanofsteel]

Impossible since he has technically never been Superman. And how can he on that show when everyone and his grandmother has seen him without his glasses off. He has no secret identity. What would he do when he actually becomes Superman, put on glasses then?

But I know we don't have to worry about that since the writers will conveniently never address that issue.

Superman is much more than a suit and cape (which is just about the only thing SV's man of steel doesn't have yet, aside from flying). His actions are what define him, cape or not he's Superman.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Superman is much more than a suit and cape (which is just about the only thing SV's man of steel doesn't have yet, aside from flying). His actions are what define him, cape or not he's Superman.

Good answer! Still would have been nice to see him be able to wear that suit though.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Impossible since he has technically never been Superman. And how can he on that show when everyone and his grandmother has seen him without his glasses off. He has no secret identity. What would he do when he actually becomes Superman, put on glasses then?

But I know we don't have to worry about that since the writers will conveniently never address that issue.

He will go around kissing everyone around town so they forget.

 

[Gmanofsteel]

He will go around kissing everyone around town so they forget.

LOL

 

[Cmill216]

I'm a Smallville fan, so call me biased all you want (bring it on ), but I wouldn't mind seeing Sir Welling as Superman in JL, especially if they decide to end the series this year. And if they really are going to go with a younger JL approach, then it makes even more sense to me.

 

[Majik1387]

You're biased hence your PoV is tainted.





But seriously, we aren't asking for Smallville the movie and if Tom was in the movie, it messes with the live action continuity of the two properties. This is a Justice League movie, not a Smallville movie.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

^ Yeah, I'm really getting over this thread.

 

[Cmill216]

But seriously, we aren't asking for Smallville the movie and if Tom was in the movie, it messes with the live action continuity of the two properties. This is a Justice League movie, not a Smallville movie.

But just because Welling is Superman doesn't mean it's Smallville: The Movie.

Continuity? They're already teetering on that thin string by not bringing in the current actors of their respective franchises. Continuity smontinuity.

 

[Majik1387]

But just because Welling is Superman doesn't mean it's Smallville: The Movie.

Ever since Smallville did that crappy little wannabe Justice League, that's the Justice League Tom Welling is a member of. You make a JL movie with Tom, you would be using that JL. This is not that movie.

Continuity? They're already teetering on that thin string by not bringing in the current actors of their respective franchises. Continuity smontinuity.

No, they're making the upcoming JL movie a seperate universe from the BB, SR and SV universes, hence why we are getting a new Batman and Superman.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I can't wait to see who they got for Superman. I hope it's someone really good.

 

[Cmill216]

Ever since Smallville did that crappy little wannabe Justice League, that's the Justice League Tom Welling is a member of.

A proto-group created when he was still Clark Kent is not "Tom Welling's Justice League".

You make a JL movie with Tom, you would be using that JL.

But that wasn't even the JL. Nor was that non-JL even remotely similar to the one we're getting for this film.

No, they're making the upcoming JL movie a seperate universe from the BB, SR and SV universes, hence why we are getting a new Batman and Superman.

How does Tom Welling's presence affect the "universe" they choose to paint, especially if there appears to be no plans to utilize any other characters from the Superman mythos (ala Lois, Lex, etc.)?

Answer: He doesn't. Even if it was the Superman Tom Welling's Clark Kent becomes, that still has no legitimate impact on the rest of Miller's JL world. If you personally don't want Tom Welling as Supes, I ain't got a problem with that. But I think continuity is one of the weaker reasons for not wanting the guy.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

^ It's not like Smallville is that popular. If it was in the same league (hehe) as 24 or Heroes than there would be an issue.

 

[Cmill216]

^ It's not like Smallville is that popular.

In the grand scheme of things, I see where you're coming from. The show's regular viewers would represent a mere semi-fraction of the viewers a Justice League film would attract, which means you're not "messing up continuity" for many people.

 

[Mig-El]

Smallville may not be that popular, but Tom is associated to Superman whether you like it or not. Show a photo of Tom to someone and more than likely, they'll answer Superman.

 

[Majik1387]

A proto-group created when he was still Clark Kent is not "Tom Welling's Justice League".

It's the Smallville universe's Justice League.

But that wasn't even the JL. Nor was that non-JL even remotely similar to the one we're getting for this film.

Exactly, we're not getting the Justice League from Smallville that has Tom's Clark.

How does Tom Welling's presence affect the "universe" they choose to paint, especially if there appears to be no plans to utilize any other characters from the Superman mythos (ala Lois, Lex, etc.)?

For one thing, the movie is casting both Wally and Barry Flashes, which was played by some kid, and a new Aquaman, who was played by some blonde dude in Smallville. Having Tom would mean we'd also have to have them, which is not happening.

Answer: He doesn't. Even if it was the Superman Tom Welling's Clark Kent becomes, that still has no legitimate impact on the rest of Miller's JL world. If you personally don't want Tom Welling as Supes, I ain't got a problem with that. But I think continuity is one of the weaker reasons for not wanting the guy, IMO.

Simply put, you're wrong.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Yeah, probably. I was just saying that most people who are going to see JL, probably haven't even seen Smallville. So it won't make much difference to them.

 

[Steelsheen]

^ It's not like Smallville is that popular. If it was in the same league (hehe) as 24 or Heroes than there would be an issue.

well to be fair man Smallville was as popular as 24 and Heroes back in the day. it has a slight decline in popularity but its still pretty popular the world over.

Smallville may not be that popular, but Tom is associated to Superman whether you like it or not. Show a photo of Tom to someone and more than likely, they'll answer Superman.

thats true. 4 out of 5 times when someone sees Welling's face the they usually call him "the guy who plays Superman on TV"

Yeah, probably. I was just saying that most people who are going to see JL, probably haven't even seen Smallville. So it won't make much difference to them.

actually no, the folks who will most likely see JL are also viewers of Smallville (maybe not the rabid fans but i digress ), its just that they target the same demographic.



i'm not trying to pick sides folks, just saying the god honest realistic truth.

 

[Cmill216]

It's the Smallville universe's Justice League.

It was Smallville's take on the Justice League/team concept (with a wink thanks to the title). Never once was it called the Justice League or established that it was THE Justice League.

For one thing, the movie is casting both Wally and Barry Flashes,

The kid was named Bart, and he was codenamed Impulse. I see no Barry, Wally, or Flash.

and a new Aquaman, who was played by some blonde dude in Smallville. Having Tom would mean we'd also have to have them, which is not happening.

And what Golden Book of Rules are you pulling this stuff from, homie? This is Warner Bros. The same company that released a Batman movie less than twenty years ago with an uber-popular Joker as the killer of the Wayne's, and who are now are releasing a film with a new Joker and a new origin for said Joker.

Okay, so maybe that isn't the best comparison in the world. Nevertheless, there's no invisible string tying down a Tom Welling Superman to anything from Smallville, especially when it comes to hero characters he never met on the show (an Atlantis based Aquaman or a Wally West/Barry Allen Flash).

Simply put, you're wrong.

How can my opinion be wrong if there is no fact?

 

[Jake Cassidy]

It was Smallville's take on the Justice League/team concept (with a wink thanks to the title). Never once was it called the Justice League or established that it was THE Justice league.



The kid was named Bart, and he was codenamed Impulse. I see no Barry, Wally, or Flash.



And what Golden Book of Rules are you pulling this stuff from, homie? This is Warner Bros we're talking about here. The same company that released a Batman movie less than twenty years ago with an uber-popular Joker as the killer of the Wayne's. And now are releasing a film with a new Joker and a new origin for said Joker.

Okay, so maybe that isn't the best comparison in the world, but you should catch my drift. There's no invisible string tying down a Tom Welling Superman to anything from Smallville, especially when it comes to hero characters he never met in the show (an Atlantis based Aquaman or a Wally West/Barry Allen Flash).





How can my opinion be wrong if there is no fact?

Don't bother. Majik's always right, remember?

 

[Majik1387]

It was Smallville's take on the Justice League/team concept (with a wink thanks to the title). Never once was it called the Justice League or established that it was THE Justice League.

That's ridiculous reasoning. Just because they didn't say it literally does not mean it's not their Justice League. It's also like saying Tom Welling isn't technically Superman because they don't call him that on Smallville.

The kid was named Bart, and he was codenamed Impulse. I see no Barry, Wally, or Flash.

How would Tom Welling's Superman serve on the JL in Smallville with Bart/Impulse to then serve with Bart's grandfather Barry before Barry even has children to have Bart?

And what Golden Book of Rules are you pulling this stuff from, homie? This is Warner Bros. The same company that released a Batman movie less than twenty years ago with an uber-popular Joker as the killer of the Wayne's, and who are now are releasing a film with a new Joker and a new origin for said Joker.

That's a really bad analogy. It's been stated numerous times that Nolan's Bat-verse is a total different retake of the past Batman films.

Okay, so maybe that isn't the best comparison in the world. Nevertheless, there's no invisible string tying down a Tom Welling Superman to anything from Smallville, especially when it comes to hero characters he never met on the show (an Atlantis based Aquaman or a Wally West/Barry Allen Flash).

That invisible string is called a contract.

How can my opinion be wrong if there is no fact?

You asked a question, and you gave an answer that was wrong.



And Jake remember what I said in the other thread, I only take funny jokes.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I know, I know, I'm lame. But being lame is funny in it's own way.

 

[Sun_Down]

Ever since Smallville did that crappy little wannabe Justice League, that's the Justice League Tom Welling is a member of. You make a JL movie with Tom, you would be using that JL. This is not that movie.

You just pull these thoughts out of thin air? You do realize Tom Welling is an actor and can play whatever role he's cast in, despite what he's done in the past.

 

[Majik1387]

You just pull these thoughts out of thin air? You do realize Tom Welling is an actor and can play whatever role he's cast in, despite what he's done in the past/

It's more of what WB is doing as opposed to what Tom can do.