The Dark Knight If Jack And Heath Switched

[St. Sanity]

This might just turn out to be a useless question but what if Jack's interpretation of the Joker was used instead of Heath's in TDK? What if Heath's version was used in Batman? Would both movies have the same impact?

 

[Jokerluv]

In my opinion it wouldn't work at all. You are talking about two different worlds, one is fantasy like where the other is dark and based more on reality. As good as Jack's version was, it would never fly in Nolan's world and vice versa.

 

[Darknightnomis]

Apples and Oranges.

I do wonder how a 28 year old Jack Nicholson would've been as the Joker under Nolan's direction.

 

[Ghostsoldier]

What if Burton and Nolan switched?t:
Rob

 

[TheDarkJoker]

I can easily see Ledger in the Burton world..

 

[Lead_Tester]

Heath of course

 

[itsthebatman]

Batman was on TV the other day, and I was watching the apartment scene, where Bruce is trying to tell Vicki he's Batman, and Joker arrives. I realised that Joker was fighting with Bruce/Batman for a woman, and it struck me that this was something Heath's Joker would never have contemplated. Two great Jokers, but very different in style and execution. You couldn't swap them, they'd be very jarring.

 

[Fitzwilliam]

How would George Clooney's Batman have faired against Ledger's Joker.

I asked my mates that the other night and we pissed ourselves laughing.

 

[St. Sanity]

Heath of course

How is that relevant to this topic?

 

[The Joker]

How is that relevant to this topic?

He didn't bother reading the first post. He probably just saw Jack and Heath in the title and assumed it was another versus thread between the two portrayls of the character.

 

[chaseter]

This might just turn out to be a useless question but what if Jack's interpretation of the Joker was used instead of Heath's in TDK? What if Heath's version was used in Batman? Would both movies have the same impact?

If that had happened, then you wouldn't have made this pointless thread

 

[Fitzwilliam]

How is that relevant to this topic?

I never realised guys could get PMS until I read your comment.

 

[St. Sanity]

In my opinion it wouldn't work at all. You are talking about two different worlds, one is fantasy like where the other is dark and based more on reality. As good as Jack's version was, it would never fly in Nolan's world and vice versa.

Actually, in my opinion, it might. See, in the Nolan-verse, everything is dark and gloomy, but Jack's Joker is pretty bright and cheery (though he is a sadistic freak), this would give a sense of hope to the people of Gotham, a bright guy in a dark world, but soon they realize he isnt so good, he's evil. Then batman comes in, etc.

But then again, that would warp the whole plot.

 

[Elle Quence]

This might just turn out to be a useless question but what if Jack's interpretation of the Joker was used instead of Heath's in TDK? What if Heath's version was used in Batman? Would both movies have the same impact?

Burton needed Quirky and Jack was the answer.
Nolan needed something that related to today, Heath delivered.

I dont think Heath would have been known to Burton truthfully, I mean before TDK what movie would come to most peoples mind when you said Heath Ledger? they would say "The guy from Brokeback Mountain?" (oddly not Heaths first gay role either)

Jacks version fit to Burtons type of movie, and with movies like one flew over the coocoo's nest and the shining -yea he fits for Burton.
Nolan's (and Heath's) joker however was more methodical and well sinister in nature..
The Joker in the actual comics is either a Jack or a Heath, where Jack represented closer to the prankster in the joker, where Heath totally destroyed any nice you thought the joker could have about him, and made a vile and realistic approach to the joker that hite a chorde in todays society. if Heaths joker came out before todays times, he would have been called sick and shunned possibly... standards have changed

 

[Twin723]

It's all about writing. Heath was great, but Nolan is what gave the character the back-bone. TDK was much better written than Batman 89, and Nolan is a better director than Burton.

 

[Carusos Shades]

It's all about writing. Heath was great, but Nolan is what gave the character the back-bone. TDK was much better written than Batman 89, and Nolan is a better director than Burton.[/quote]

Let the invasion of the Burtonites commence.

 

[Yellowfrug]

It simply won't fit with TDK's theme and style. TDK has a different approach than B89

 

[Elle Quence]

Nolan is a better director than Burton.

I wouldnt go that far as to say that, Burtons Burton and we gotta love him for his style and approach to what we love, yes in my opinion Nolan's TDK is irresistible to me and I would rather watch it to Burton's. Maybe burton paved that way a little more on the road to what was deemed acceptable in showing the batman world on silver screen?

it goes with the times I guess

 

[Ziggyman]

Both interpretations were used to fit the style of the movie...It just would not work at all...Although it is the same character...

 

[D.B.]

If Nicholson portrayed The Joker when he was younger, he would have been suberb. But I just felt like he was a bit too old in Batman (1989) for Joker.

 

[Elle Quence]

and Heath would have been what 7 at the time Burton's batman came out? and Jack is waaaaaaaaay to old to play the joker now

 

[Ghostsoldier]

I think Ledger as "Edward Scissorhands" would have worked...or, even as "Sweeney Todd" (which even you people have to admit was a damn good-and-dark-and-bloody achievement for Burton...)
Rob

 

[Steelsheen]

This might just turn out to be a useless question but what if Jack's interpretation of the Joker was used instead of Heath's in TDK? What if Heath's version was used in Batman? Would both movies have the same impact?

Jack's Joker version in TDK would've been weak, because you have a Batman that is written and acted to be very intense. if Heath's Joker was used in Batman'89 it would've overwhelmed Batman and made him appear ill-matched to even try to stop the Joker. if you notice the defining quality about Jack's Joker is that he is more manic than murderous (although he certainly kills without remorse) and Keaton's Batman as more stoic and methodical, which is a perfect foil against each other. in the same regard Heath's Joker is intense and psychopathic, and Bale's Batman is intense as well but righteous.

Apples and Oranges.
I do wonder how a 28 year old Jack Nicholson would've been as the Joker under Nolan's direction.

now that has been something i've been saying way back (Heath was still alive), that Jack, despite how he looks, is one of those rare actors that is talented but of which intensity, charm and an underlying sense of violence-- innate qualities in the Joker character-- just exudes from him. if Jack was 28 years old and was directed by Nolan using this psychopathic version, i'm pretty sure we would've seen a more terrifying Joker than what we got, and something Bale has to work double time more just to make sure his Batman doesnt get overwhelmed.

How would George Clooney's Batman have faired against Ledger's Joker.

I asked my mates that the other night and we pissed ourselves laughing.

LMAO! t:

 

[Schlosser85]

They would seem out of place in each other's movies.

 

[thewhyteman]

A younger Nicholson could have def pulled off the joker in Nolans film.
He was pretty damn good in the shining. Heath wouldnt work in Burtons movie IMO.