IF Marvel Got the Rights Back and Announced FF in 2020 . . .

How would you feel if Marvel got the rights and announced a 2020 FF film?

  • That would be great! Bring it on. I can't wait.

  • Too soon. I can't take another one. I need more time to recover.

  • Not sure yet.


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Imagine if MARVEL did announce one day they got the rights back ? People would be like

"Wait what they did not do that Fantastic Four movie ? Thank god"
 
I want the Thing to face the Hulk, but that can be done via Kang's temporal disruptor. The FF needs the 60s setting:

It ties the team to the atomic age and the cold war.
It distinguishes the reboot from the previous failed attempts.
It sets up the FF as the only superhero team in town.
It stops people from asking "Where are the Avengers?" when it hits the fan.
It gives the film a unique style and setting.
It broadens the MCU.
It has great characters - Peggy, Howard, Hank and Janet.
It doesn't keep Doom, the Surfer, Galactus, Kang, Annihilus from causing conflict in the present day MCU
It was Peyton Reed's initial pitch, and Marvel owes him one.

These are all great points that I agree with, but I'd like to add a couple:

1. It would allow FF to take their appropriate spot in the Marvel universe as the original "first family". By predating everything else, they would be the original superhero team.

2. Also consider images like:

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You can't really do Kirby type tech in a modern world, but as "futuristic-retro" I think it could be really cool - sort of like modernized "steam-punk".

Also with Read wearing a hat and tie, smoking a pipe etc., a 60's setting would allow the Kirby visuals to be brought to the screen. That could be really cool if done right.
 
The great thing about FFINO is its complete disregard for everything that's wonderful about the Fantastic Four. It was a tough pill for longtime fans to swallow, but very beneficial for the future of the franchise. Put a fresh stamp on the brand - Marvel's The FF - then hire a cast that fits their characters, add Franklin and Valeria to the mix, put a well established team in a completely different setting with an upbeat tone and voila - you're ready for Phase 4.

I've got to think that Feige and company would relish the chance to turn this "outdated" franchise into another huge hit.

Exactly, and not to mention that RDJ, Evans, and Ruffalo might not be in the MCU much longer. They'll need more heroes and more known heroes. Not to mention the money in merchandise and maybe an animated series down the line.
 
These are all great points that I agree with, but I'd like to add a couple:

1. It would allow FF to take their appropriate spot in the Marvel universe as the original "first family". By predating everything else, they would be the original superhero team.
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That's extremely important, and you can seed the FF mythos through Agents of SHIELD or its replacement. The legendary superhero team that was lost on a mission half a century ago.

I'm also thinking about when a certain mammoth energy being encased in humanoid armor comes to town. There's no calling up Stark, Banner or Rogers. Just 4 adventurers against impossible odds.

And when the FF does eventually meet the Guardians (perhaps an earlier version with Martinex and Charlie 27) , the Avengers or the Inhumans the initial throw down due to miscommunication would make sense, as the team's would be unaware of each other.
 
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I think making the team "time lost" is the best way to bring them over. Like with Spidey, Marvel won't want to redo the origin story once again. Plus, the concept of a long lost "Original Avengers" team would help build the hype. Have them pop up in the post credits of GOTG 3, perhaps, and curtail that into their own film. Dwell on them adopting to the modern world, something that was brushed over with Captain America, and introduce Doom, but not as the main villain of the film. Then tease the coming of Galactus as the post-Thanos big bad.
 
Imagine if MARVEL did announce one day they got the rights back ? People would be like

"Wait what they did not do that Fantastic Four movie ? Thank god"

Usually those people unfamiliar with the film rights wouldn't even pay attention to a news headline like that. They'd probably just see FF in the headline and think, "They're doing ANOTHER reboot?"
 
I love the idea of a 60's-set F4 movie in the MCU where they time travel to the modern world eventually. The only question is...would they have been kept secret from the public back then? Because up until "The Avengers", the world of the MCU is very new to the notion of people with advanced powers and abilities. Even Natasha says it to Hawkeye, "This is monsters and magic and nothing we were ever trained for." It would be kind of hard to keep four people with superpowers (one of them a giant rock-man) fighting a monster in the middle of the city under wraps, but if they weren't, it would seem weird to just all of a sudden have an established superhero team 40 something years before The Avengers without having any mention of them at all previously. I could see them working as a covert operations team with SHIELD much like Pym did.
 
I don't think a secret would even be needed. Captain America was a public figure in addition to Red Skull , plus there was the nod to the original human torch at a public setting so its not as if the public in the MCU has never seen extra ordinary things before Iron Man 1 takes place. Heck Hulk was around before Iron Man. I took the Antman stuff with Hank to be that people thought it was a myth because no one saw him, not because superpowered things hadn't been known to the public yet. As for Natasha and Bart, I thought they were talking about their actually intelligence and espionage skills and training not that people hadn't known that these types of creatures existed .

The way the MCU is set up , there's nothing to say that the F4 couldn't have existed in the 60s and had adventures and been as well known as Cap was. The MCU isn't taking the DCCU approach of "these are the first time we've seen superpowered people". They've given themselves enough leeway without continuity being wrecked.

I really wouldn't don't see F4 in the 60s as a problem continuity wise. The only issue could be that you may want to use characters like Doom, Reed Richards, or Thing in the present day were they might be too old .
 
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I don't think a secret would even be needed. Captain America was a public figure in addition to Red Skull , plus there was the nod to the original human torch at a public setting so its not as if the public in the MCU has never seen extra ordinary things before Iron Man 1 takes place. Heck Hulk was around before Iron Man. I took the Antman stuff with Hank to be that people thought it was a myth because no one saw him, not because superpowered things hadn't been known to the public yet. As for Natasha and Bart, I thought they were talking about their actually intelligence and espionage skills and training not that people hadn't known that these types of creatures existed .

The way the MCU is set up , there's nothing to say that the F4 couldn't have existed in the 60s and had adventures and been as well known as Cap was. The MCU isn't taking the DCCU approach of "these are the first time we've seen superpowered people". They've given themselves enough leeway without continuity being wrecked.

I really wouldn't don't see F4 in the 60s as a problem continuity wise. The only issue could be that you may want to use characters like Doom, Reed Richards, or Thing in the present day were they might be too old .

The Four could meet up with the present day MCU in Avengers: Kang's Krosstime Konflict. And Doom's easy. He's in his 30s or 40s in the 1960s, and an elderly monarch kept vibrant through mysticism and the wonders of his technologically advanced armor in the modern MCU.
 
Hmm I feel like FF should be introduced and get their own film in Phase 4, along with the Inhumans (yeah I know it already has a date but it should be the 1st Phase 4 film), Namor and Silver Surfer.

It would be cool if those 4 along with Black Panther are the main of phase four. I would like to see Puppet Master or Mole Man as the villain for the first film.
 
It would be a huge stretch to say that there was a public group of superheroes in the 60s that no one thought to mention before now. I don't think they should set a whole film in the 60's, though. Just bring them straight to the present.

As for a villain, I'd say use one of the Heralds, who followed them through the portal into the present. Someone like Terrax, Red Shift, or Airwalker.
 
It would be a huge stretch to say that there was a public group of superheroes in the 60s that no one thought to mention before now. I don't think they should set a whole film in the 60's, though. Just bring them straight to the present.

Agreed.
 
It would be a huge stretch to say that there was a public group of superheroes in the 60s that no one thought to mention before now. I don't think they should set a whole film in the 60's, though. Just bring them straight to the present.

As for a villain, I'd say use one of the Heralds, who followed them through the portal into the present. Someone like Terrax, Red Shift, or Airwalker.

How often do you mention stuff that happened half a century ago? It's a teeny bit odd that we haven't heard of the FF through 12 movies and three TV programs, but I think viewers will accept it and move on.

The 60s setting sets the FF apart from the rest of the MCU and gives the team room to breathe apart from the modern MCU. And it changes the story - rather than getting just another FF film we are getting Marvel's First Family done right for the first time.
 
How often do you mention stuff that happened half a century ago? It's a teeny bit odd that we haven't heard of the FF through 12 movies and three TV programs, but I think viewers will accept it and move on.

The 60s setting sets the FF apart from the rest of the MCU and gives the team room to breathe apart from the modern MCU. And it changes the story - rather than getting just another FF film we are getting Marvel's First Family done right for the first time.

Exactly. We've seen, what, maybe 100 hours tops of the Marvel Universe. I haven't mentioned the Kennedy assasination or the moon landing or World War II over the past 100 hours. That doesn't mean those things didn't happen or weren't important events.
 
Exactly. We've seen, what, maybe 100 hours tops of the Marvel Universe. I haven't mentioned the Kennedy assasination or the moon landing or World War II over the past 100 hours. That doesn't mean those things didn't happen or weren't important events.

Yeah, its not a huge stretch. Not every single important event in the MCU has been brought up in every single MCU film. All we've seen is just the stories of several super power people in a very short time span. We already know Spiderman exists and he's not in every headline, we haven't heard references to DD in any of the MCU films, so its not like every single thing is referenced in everything, every single time. The GA would accept it . Again, they haven't taken the DCCU approach of "this is the first time the public knows about Superheroes". They've left themselves alot of room for filling in the time which hasn't been covered. Just because they've haven't been the focus of the current stories doesn't mean there couldn't have been a F4 in the 60s . It wouldn't even be a retcon so I really don't see what the big continuity issue would be.
 
I love the idea of a 60's-set F4 movie in the MCU where they time travel to the modern world eventually. The only question is...would they have been kept secret from the public back then? Because up until "The Avengers", the world of the MCU is very new to the notion of people with advanced powers and abilities. Even Natasha says it to Hawkeye, "This is monsters and magic and nothing we were ever trained for." It would be kind of hard to keep four people with superpowers (one of them a giant rock-man) fighting a monster in the middle of the city under wraps, but if they weren't, it would seem weird to just all of a sudden have an established superhero team 40 something years before The Avengers without having any mention of them at all previously. I could see them working as a covert operations team with SHIELD much like Pym did.
I feel kind of the same way. Not that it doesn't conflicted with existing continuity, but does hurt the concept and theme about the world growing and being introduced to superheroes. If they are from the 60's I'd prefer they would get their powers while they were lost. So they return as super heroes.

Expanding on NotSoLongAgo's idea, I like the prolog to be about two married scientist, a brother who's a former air force pilot, and a best friend who is one of, if not, the first (depending on historical timing and accuracy) jewish astronauts in space. Embarking on the first private space venture to test the Richard's Near-Light Drive. A propulsion system that can approach the speed of light. The media dubs them "The Fantastic Four: The First-Family of Space Flight". A 10 year mission, fly for five years to the nearest star Alpha Centauri, they'll take multiple readings and send a signal back to earth before returning (relativity making time movie slower for them). They leave Earth in iconic blue space suit with the number four on it's chest and the world awaits their return. But decades come a go and world is left to wonder "What happened to the Fantastic Four?"

In transit (either on the way there or back) Their ship is bombarded with cosmic radiation, transforming them, damaging the ship, and causing the light drive to warp along the path of the radiation. Richards gains consciousness long enough to shut the drive off to then crash on a planet whose system is surrounded by the same cosmic radiation. The peaceful locals, who are advance but the presence of the radiation makes space travel and off planet communication difficult, helps them. Then we will time skip a year later.

That would be the first ten-fifteen minutes.

After year with the four live among them, Reed and Sue have adopted the language while Ben and Johnny just barely getting by. Reed along with local scientist develop clothing out of unstable molecule that can transforms with them. The Locals create four suits, all blue with a 4 on the chest (resembling the Ultimate F4) as a gift, symbolizing the spacesuits they were wearing when they first arrived. And still expanding on NotSoLongAgo's idea, one day another ship crash from encountering the same cosmic radiation present in the system. It is a Skrull scout ship with one passenger, Kl'rt. He initially disguises himself as a different race and convinces the locals and the four to help him fix his ship, promising to take them home. As the ship is finished and a shield is designed to protect against the cosmic radiation. It's revealed the Kl'rt is not only a Skrull, and the the local know the Skrull have been on a campaign of conquer habitable planets, but that he was also mutated by the radiation and due to his relative proximity to the four had mutated to have all their powers. The four manages to win due to Kl'rt's inexperience. The lock him up in the scout ship which they intend to use to find home or at least make their way to a space flight capable planet. They bid the peaceful locals a good bye and are off.

They find Skrull universal translators which luckily has english programed in (hint, hint), but unfortunately the ship is on pre-programed auto pilot to a Skrull warship. The four manage to stay hidden and learn more of the Skrull race and realized not only the danger the peaceful planet is in, but the danger should the skrulls discover the cosmic rays. The disable communication, battle the skrulls, including another epic fight with super skrull, they end up destroying the warship and escaping on a vessel to find the next world, but luckily Reed finds Earth in the navigation (another hint, hint). They begin their journey home, except the Super Skrull manged to get on the ship. They engage in a final fight that greatly damages the vessel, Super Skrull is defeated and thrown out into space to an apparent death. The ship crash lands outside of new york. By the time they come to, police and crowd have gathered around the ship, with the military and Avengers on they way. They are initially shocked by the Thing and Human Torch but once the see Reed and Sue the begin to realize, the Fantastic Four have finally come home... to Marvel.

The epilogue Reed uses the massive amounts of funding to build a new lab on top of his old home and work place, the Baxter building, and establishes the Fantastic Foundation. And begins work on studying the skrull ship.

Post credit scene, the Super Skrull survived by using a force field, he takes refuge in an abandoned building where he is surprised by a human who states "Worry not brother, for the invasion here, has already begun" The human transforms into a Skrull.

Not sure how to incorporate Doom as a F4 specific villain, maybe he was a student of Richards. Seeing getting lost in space as an idiotic failure dedicated himself to earth and comes to one conclusion. He must rule.

And I see the next big Avengers movie after this being Avenger: The Kree-Skrull War.
 
Fox may be willing to take another hit with Fantastic Four. Their thinking might be that, they're banking on Age of Apocalypse and Deadpool to make them the money that they lost on this reboot. If both movies are exceptionally received and make a ton for Fox, I don't see them giving up the rights to FF. They may instead take it to someone like Singer or double down and exclusively give it to Kinsberg and give him complete control of it again.

That said, lots of reports are coming out over Fox's underhanded tactics. We may see the heads of a few execs roll over this debacle as well.
 
I don't think xmen nor deadpool will make a killing for Fox, the xmen franchise had pretty much maxes out its fanbase, and while it may be well received and do well financially, its not going to make an absolute killing imo. Same with DP.
i think they have to know that have a bona-fide disaster with the F4 property, with all attempts being underwhelming to awful.
 
With how things are going, I think Fox would have been better off simply scrapping the whole production, and selling the Fantastic Four for like 500m alongside gaining the rights to an Xmen tv show in return.

They'd have recoup the lost in production money, Marvel would have a healthier FF property on their hands, Fox would maintain the credibility they built up with their Xmen universe, and would have strengthen their already strong Xmen brand. Everyone wins.

This film in it's condition stood to gain nothing, and has only done harm for everyone involved. Seriously, the people in-charge of this production were quite dumb and irresponsible.


FF rights are not remotely worth 500 million. Funniest thing I've ever read. Anything paid would have to be weighed versus future profit. Frankly I think a future ff movie is toast
 
Fox may be willing to take another hit with Fantastic Four. Their thinking might be that, they're banking on Age of Apocalypse and Deadpool to make them the money that they lost on this reboot. If both movies are exceptionally received and make a ton for Fox, I don't see them giving up the rights to FF. They may instead take it to someone like Singer or double down and exclusively give it to Kinsberg and give him complete control of it again.

That said, lots of reports are coming out over Fox's underhanded tactics. We may see the heads of a few execs roll over this debacle as well.

This was a failure of epic proportions. The people who made this happen are probably hiding right now and the others, who didn't want to make it in the first place, aren't going to be pushing for another.

Fox will never make another FF film again. I'd bet $1000 on it (if anyone was willing to take the other side).
 
The thing is that Fox only has one way they can introduce the Fantastic Four and that is through another reboot of the Franchise in 7 years, and given how poor this movie did it is unlikely they would try to do this again. So, really the only advantage to holding onto the rights would be small in that these characters can not be used by their competitors for several years. Keeping in mind they are not stopping anything, merely delaying the inevitable. However, given the fact that if Fox sells or trades the rights back they would not only get whatever deal they made, but the added bonus of good will with Fans for returning the rights. I would say considering their situation they would call that a much larger win.

Now with Marvel, unlike Fox they can slowly reintroduce the brand of the Fantastic Four and related characters into their other movies. Perhaps starting with a Silver Surfer intro in the credits of Guardians of the Galaxy and then him and Galactus being a part of Infinity War. Also, I like the idea others have had with the Fantastic Four movie beginning as prequel to much of the MCU taking place in the late 60's where they are regular astronauts going into space, and maybe they disappear through a worm hole of sorts never to be heard of again (later to be discovered it was a portal to the negative zone), but somehow the events of the Infinity War damages space and time allowing them to return to earth in modern day unaged & with the public instantly seeing them as heroes and celebrities. To us they have been gone for a long time, but to them it seemed like only minutes. Slowly they begin to discover they didn't return entirely unchanged as thought, but having new Fantastic abilities, which they are forced to use, when a threat from the Negative Zone called Annihilus locates the same portal and comes to earth with the intent of destruction. Now it is up to the 4 to stop him. End credits has the news talking about how Dr. Victor Von Doom recently rose to power, conquered Latveria and became it's dictator. Then they cut to a Video of him where he states, People of Latveria you can address me as Dr. Doom. Know I was born to rule you, and Latveria is only the beginning. I will not stop until I have achieved complete world domination, and no one will stand in my way. Afterall, I am Doom!

Then part 2 can do some more backstory on Doom as a prequel to the end credits from the previos movie, before moving forward into present day with the story focusing on Dr. Doom trying to take over the world and the Fantastic Four being the ones that are going to stop him.

Well at least that is one version that I wouldn't mind seeing, but really there is any number of other ways that would work well also. Also, at some point down the road I would like to see the Hulk square off against the Thing. That would be Classic!

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My cast for a Marvel Studios Fantastic Four movie in 2020:

Reed Richards: James Franco (2020 age, 42) - First off, i effing love James Franco. Plus I think he could bring something to Reed that we've never seen on screen before, charisma... He can probably play that Reed we all want to see, so smart he seems distant to the rest of the world.
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Ben Grimm: Joel Edgerton (2020 age, 46) - So under utilized its a crime. Would make an awesome Ben with emotion and humor when needed. Looks great for his age.
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Sue Storm: Natalie Dormer (2020 age, 38) - Fantastic actress who's beauty is stunning. She'd be so much fun as Sue.
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Johnny Storm: Garrett Hedlund (2020 age, 35) - with Tron in purgatory, I need to see this guy do something. Something fun. He's a reasonably great actor with a substantive amount of charisma too.
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Doctor Doom: Mads Mikkelsen (2020 age, 54) - This one is so god damn obvious to me. He's got the height, the build, the accent, the sinister style, the posture. Everything about him is the proper Doom. Hannibal over? No biggie, play the greatest Marvel villain of all time!
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Norrin Radd: Jude Law (2020 age, 47) - Okay this one may be borderline too similar to Vision. But I think he fits the role through and through.
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NO idea about Galactus. I'll think on it.
 
I'd be excited. I would wager that depending on how fast Marvel gets the rights, this could be their third film for 2019 (likely November 8) -- depending on how flexible Feige's long-term plans are.

More likely, if Marvel keeps to their 3 films a year plan -- I expect their film to hit May 1, 2020, July 10, 2020 or November 6, 2020.
 
I dont know about franco man, i couldnt take him seriously as a scientist in rotpota
everyone else is spot on though.
 
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