Dark Phoenix If Marvel happens to finalize the sale w/Fox before the X-men release date, which is most likely?

[OroroGambitFan]

I think the answer to this question probably depends on a few things. First and foremost is the quality of the movie. If it's at least serviceable compared to being atrocious then it's more likely it will be released in some form.

Another consideration could take into account what Kevin's plans are- if he's given some serious thought to how he'd like to see things then what this movie about could matter to him. Maybe he's had plans for another Phoenix story that he couldn't wait to tell. If that's the case then having another Phoenix movie out might make him think that's been done too much-- so shelf it.

Another factor could be TIME itself! Taking into account when things are official can probably play the biggest role in things. Let's say things get done sooner than expected and full control is established months before the release. This is an instance that, in my opinion would make it less likely to be released. But that time frame doesn't seem realistic so assuming Disney takes over a month or two before - then it's highly likely things will get released on schedule as planned.

With limited knowledge all we can do is take a guess and my best guess is that Marvel will hype the movie to market it to their streaming service. There's a ton of benefits for Marvel doing that compared to a theatrical release and a lot less risks. It's so interesting to see how things actually play out---- stay tuned!

What do u guys think the will do-- and which option do you hope happens?

 

[x-er]

I say let Fox release everything. It's their work and they should be proud of what they were able to do. But just like Sony's second Spiderman came to an end without getting included in the MCU, so should all of Fox's X-Men. Let them release BUT use a clean slate for the MCU.

Unless you wanted Hugh Jackman to face off with Tony Stark which everyone here highly doubts.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I'd prefer it all to be cancelled. But if they want bad reviews and poor box office then let them have it.

 

[psylockolussus]

Shelved Ignored Rebooted

 

[Frankeh]

I don't think they'd shelve it but the situation is NOT looking good with it constantly being pushed back. It really does make you wonder if it'll ever see the light of day.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I've thought all along that they would quietly release it to get what they can without putting much effort or money into marketing. I still voted for that and think it will ultimately be the case, but with yet another delay I'm less convinced that it will get a theatrical release than I used to be. Business as usual is the least likely option at this point.

 

[rebellion]

If the trailer looked better, id definitely be for releasing it... But it was really underwhelming and looks like a tls remake.. So i say can it, dump it on streaming, do whatever it takes to get mutants to MCU as soon as posssible.

 

[psylockolussus]

Disney obviously care about the long run and if they think shelving two bad films that they didnt even approve to begin with and films that most likely to flop, would be best for the ip in the long run, they would.

 

[Limonade]

I don't think the film is going to flop. In fact, I'm sure a lot of the complaints of X-Men: TLS will be resolved.

But having the potential Phoenix Saga out there for the third time would test audience's patience.

I felt that happened with Spider-man/Green Goblin to a degree... but luckily Marvel stopped the Sinister Six train before it got more traction.

 

[Filmfreak]

The fourth option is completely ridiculous and is entirely based on haters' wisful thinking but the first is also highly unlikely. The other two are the more realistic scenarios. I'd probably bet on it getting a theatrical release without trying to spend much money on the marketing but the platform thing wouldn't surprise me either.

 

[OroroGambitFan]

The fourth option is completely ridiculous and is entirely based on haters' wisful thinking but the first is also highly unlikely. The other two are the more realistic scenarios. I'd probably bet on it getting a theatrical release without trying to spend much money on the marketing but the platform thing wouldn't surprise me either.

I do agree that the 2nd and 3rd options are the most likely- and they are the most popular choices so far, but I don't think the 4th option is a hater's position.

Think about it like this, if you are Marvel and all your ideas for the most part have been embraced by the general masses and critics alike and you have all these great ideas with what you would do with the Xmen in your own movie universe independent of all that's been done before. So you have an opportunity to tell the stories you want and start completely fresh. If this is you position as Marvel - or Kevin Fiege then what is your motivation or incentive to release this movie. If Marvel takes ownership before the movie is released why would they want to release it as Marvel? Marvel has a certain quality you expect, it's its own brand and all part of Kevin's plans. If this movie doesn't fit in, if he doesn't wish to continue their stories and doesn't want to risk confusing the audience then I think it's totally logical to believe this movie might not ever see the light of day, not even on the streaming service. As a long term plan that might be ultimately better for Marvel in the long run, I think it's completely conceivable.

 

[By your Command]

I'm 75% sure the movie won't be good, that being said I don't want to wait 4 years for an X-Men movie, so I want this to be released, and I'm not happy with this weird silent cancellation that FOX is brewing, just come out and say it already.

 

[Limonade]

The fourth option is completely ridiculous and is entirely based on haters' wisful thinking but the first is also highly unlikely. The other two are the more realistic scenarios. I'd probably bet on it getting a theatrical release without trying to spend much money on the marketing but the platform thing wouldn't surprise me either.

What? The fourth option is completely ridiculous? Really?

It may not be a common practice. But there is precedent for movies being shelved though and not seeing the light of day.

It's totally on the table, still. And it will remain as an option until an executive on either side (Fox or Disney) says otherwise.

People who don't consider the fourth option at all are equally as naive than the most stubborn hater in the ranks.

 

[Mysteryman]

They will release it in June.
This isn't so much about Dark Phoenix being terrible as as it is about giving Alita Battle Angel a better chance to succeed.

 

[Filmfreak]

FOX has been making X-Men movies for pretty much two decades now. We are talking about a dozen of them. One more is not going to change the audience's percpective on the characters and lore.
Disney is not going to completely throw out a movie where the studio they just bought spend hundreds of millions for production just because "it might hurt the brand" in the future. Look at Spider-Man doing just fine even after the abominable The Amazing Spider-Man 2. They know how to turn the tide in favor of their products.
And why on earth would they schedule reshoots and start marketing Dark Phoenix it if the plan is to completely shelf it?
Plus, the merger isn't complete yet so I'm not sure they'll have the power to make such big executive decisions even by June. But it wouldn't make any sense anyway.
I think it's purely wisful thinking for some. Noone wants to lose money and the X-Men will be perfectly fine in the MCU even if Dark Phoenix is a complete disaster which is not even a given yet.

 

[Limonade]

FOX has been making X-Men movies for pretty much two decades now. We are talking about a dozen of them. One more is not going to change the audience's percpective on the characters and lore.
Disney is not going to completely throw out a movie where the studio they just bought spend hundreds of millions for production just because "it might hurt the brand" in the future. Look at Spider-Man doing just fine even after the abominable The Amazing Spider-Man 2. They know how to turn the tide in favor of their products.
And why on earth would they schedule reshoots and start marketing Dark Phoenix it if the plan is to completely shelf it?
Plus, the merger isn't complete yet so I'm not sure they'll have the power to make such big executive decisions even by June. But it wouldn't make any sense anyway.
I think it's purely wisful thinking for some. Noone wants to lose money and the X-Men will be perfectly fine in the MCU even if Dark Phoenix is a complete disaster which is not even a given yet.

Spider-Man is not fine. Why no Osborn? My point is when you rehash the same story line from the original Sony movie AND it's reboot... Marvel will be forced to stay away, lest they incur the rather of the almighty fanboy/audience eye-roll.

The fact that Sony even went with Gwen Stacy's death... puts that storyline off of any Spiderman story for a good decade. Anything with Norman or Harry Osborn probably may not be in the current slate of films... or maybe slightly hinted... because the Osbornes are, in and of itself, a HUGE storyline... sort of like a small group of mutants dealing with an omnipotent cosmic force.

That's why this particular issue is different from whatever you have thought up.

And that is to say... that once Marvel gets its X properties back... they probably won't have the urge to rush towards the Pheonix Saga anytime soon... at least until fanboys and general audience get to bond with all characters involved. It's just common sense.

 

[Filmfreak]

I aggree with all these issues that come with reboots and it's a serious problem I have with Spidey at the moment and probably going to have with X-Men in the future.
But the general audience neither knows nor cares about all these. So I mean fine financially. And while Homecoming could have been even more successful, it still was the biggest superhero movie last year. And there were a lot of big ones.
If the managed to do that after a series of disappointing entries I'm sure X-Men will be fine as well. What every corporation cares mostly is making lots of money. And they will. Regardless of Dark Phoenix being a success or utter failure. But if they don't release it at all they're gonna lose money. That's why they will.
Anyway I'm not sure why people even entertain the possibility. If it was in pre-production? Sure. Only started filming? Could halfway see it. It has completed filming, it has undergone and finished reshoots, it's in post production for months and they even started spending money in marketing the movie. Outside the trailer they're doing conventions starting with NYCC this month if I'm not mistaken. Let's be real here.

 

[Limonade]

I aggree with all these issues that come with reboots and it's a serious problem I have with Spidey at the moment and probably going to have with X-Men in the future.
But the general audience neither knows nor cares about all these. So I mean fine financially. And while Homecoming could have been even more successful, it still was the biggest superhero movie last year. And there were a lot of big ones.
If the managed to do that after a series of disappointing entries I'm sure X-Men will be fine as well. What every corporation cares mostly is making lots of money. And they will. Regardless of Dark Phoenix being a success or utter failure. But if they don't release it at all they're gonna lose money. That's why they will.
Anyway I'm not sure why people even entertain the possibility. If it was in pre-production? Sure. Only started filming? Could halfway see it. It has completed filming, it has undergone and finished reshoots, it's in post production for months and they even started spending money in marketing the movie. Outside the trailer they're doing conventions starting with NYCC this month if I'm not mistaken. Let's be real here.

I'll give you that general audience won't care about the drama and simply wants a good film worthy of the ballooning movie ticket prices in the market now in days.

But I will say, that once Disney's merger is finalized. The movie will halt in its place. Because Disney is not dying for cheap or fast money. (Heck, it's not even THEIR money that they invested!) Just because someone makes and finishes a movie does not even guarantee that their movie will be release. Due to right infringement/contractual issues/etc.

PLUS, Disney plays the long game and that only happens when their brands are strong. I've argued with people similar to your train of thought--but understand that it's not taking in ALL the pieces in this complex puzzle into consideration.

Fox's plans, however business-oriented, ceases to be important once they transition into a new house. It can make money... sure... and that's free money for Disney in the end... but is it in Disney's best interest to let Fox tell their story again--and then have Marvel re-attempt a third time in the near future? No. Only if it's of Disney's own doing--then maybe. (ie cartoon to live-action)

Again, money on the table can be lost and compensation can still be delivered to all parties, still. What's going to happen is less news from the Dark Phoenix from here on out. I can still be wrong and as far as everyone is concerned... as long as the transition is ongoing all of Fox's plan is operating as planned. But once this transition is complete! It's done for. Again, this is new territory for Fox and their fans... and it's complex to predict the future--however that's my guess, given what I have seen in the past.

 

[Zarex]

If aspects of Dark Phoenix were contradictory to the MCU's short term plans I could see the Mouse downplaying the release and/or sending it to streaming. For example, if Writer/Director/Producer Simon Kinberg were introducing his version of the Skrulls or Wanda that might be seen as a problem. But unless Feige is hell bent on retelling Dark Phoenix in the MCU - and I hope he isn't - there isn't any downside to releasing the film. And even if Feige does want to do the story, he's more likely to tell it quite differently with the Hellfire Club and Shi'ar Imperial Guard.

The X-Men films still have a solid base of fans in the US and overseas, and a smart marketing plan that sells DP as the conclusion of a two decade long series could give it a BO bump over Apocalypse. I'm pretty sure we'll see the finale of the Singerverse and theaters and we can get ready for "Weapon X" featuring Wolverine, The Hulk and Alpha Flight in theaters in 2022.

 

[OroroGambitFan]

If aspects of Dark Phoenix were contradictory to the MCU's short term plans I could see the Mouse downplaying the release and/or sending it to streaming. For example, if Writer/Director/Producer Simon Kinberg were introducing his version of the Skrulls or Wanda that might be seen as a problem. But unless Feige is hell bent on retelling Dark Phoenix in the MCU - and I hope he isn't - there isn't any downside to releasing the film. And even if Feige does want to do the story, he's more likely to tell it quite differently with the Hellfire Club and Shi'ar Imperial Guard.

The X-Men films still have a solid base of fans in the US and overseas, and a smart marketing plan that sells DP as the conclusion of a two decade long series could give it a BO bump over Apocalypse. I'm pretty sure we'll see the finale of the Singerverse and theaters and we can get ready for "Weapon X" featuring Wolverine, The Hulk and Alpha Flight in theaters in 2022.

The point you make about the Skrulls I think is an excellent example of something that could really make a difference that I don't think others see as a possibility. Seems like people can't get pass the fact that a movie has been made so to them not releasing it makes no sense, but that kind of thinking is for the short gain- and Marvel is all about the long game. Especially if the new article out today saying that the Disney-Fox deal is moving faster than expected and could now possibly close by the end of 2018. If the deal is final by 2018 then I say X-men has less than a 10% chance of being realized. I say timing will determine how this all eventually plays out. If the deal is closed anytime from 2018 up until March of 2019- then it doesn't bode well for Xmen in my opinion. If the deal isn't finalized until sometime after March- then I say it's just about certain it's released.

 

[Lilbaz]

What? The fourth option is completely ridiculous? Really?

It may not be a common practice. But there is precedent for movies being shelved though and not seeing the light of day.

It's totally on the table, still. And it will remain as an option until an executive on either side (Fox or Disney) says otherwise.

People who don't consider the fourth option at all are equally as naive than the most stubborn hater in the ranks.

How much did dark phoenix cost to make? Has any movie been shelved that cost as much? Also what about the investors that put the money in to get the film made would disney really want to piss them off?

Can't see it all. Disney could make a couple of hundred million dollars by releasing it.

 

[Limonade]

How much did dark phoenix cost to make? Has any movie been shelved that cost as much? Also what about the investors that put the money in to get the film made would disney really want to piss them off?

Can't see it all. Disney could make a couple of hundred million dollars by releasing it.

Why should Disney even care? Especially when they know they can do better than Simon Kinberg's Dark Pheonix. They can even start over and add Wolverine, Rogue, Jubilee, and/or Gambit... the right way, possibly?

Yea the Dark Phoenix movie is probably ready for release. But Disney wouldn't care what were the plans of Fox if their plan is better.

Just let it go.

 

[Lilbaz]

Why should Disney even care? Especially when they know they can do better than Simon Kinberg's Dark Pheonix. They can even start over and add Wolverine, Rogue, Jubilee, and/or Gambit... the right way, possibly?

Yea the Dark Phoenix movie is probably ready for release. But Disney wouldn't care what were the plans of Fox if their plan is better.

Just let it go.

What do you mean let it go? I don't care about the film and want xmen back with marvel. Just being realistic, disney are not going to throw awy hundreds of millions of dollars if they don't have to. It will take them a couple of years to make an x-men film. That's if they haven't already got other films already in their plans. So why not release it? It's not going to mess up the mcu just as the other xmen films didn't. Fox are releasing trailers and spending money on marketing, do you think they'd be doing that if disney had no plans on releasing the film?

 

[Limonade]

What do you mean let it go? I don't care about the film and want xmen back with marvel. Just being realistic, disney are not going to throw awy hundreds of millions of dollars if they don't have to. It will take them a couple of years to make an x-men film. That's if they haven't already got other films already in their plans. So why not release it? It's not going to mess up the mcu just as the other xmen films didn't. Fox are releasing trailers and spending money on marketing, do you think they'd be doing that if disney had no plans on releasing the film?

What are you talking about? They just did when they canned James Gunn and stopped GotG vol.3 production indefinitely! One of their most successful projects.

It's not about the money for Disney! It's about their brand. If they protect their brands--the money will flow like water.

Without getting too political--If it was all about the money, Rosanne will still be on the air at ABC (a Disney owned network) because it makes money from the deep red states.

Regardless of how you feel, Disney has the balls to do what it wants and not face major consequences... and I'm guessing, X-Men is an easy argument for them to win when it comes to stopping Fox production and start their very own one.

 

[Lilbaz]

What are you talking about? They just did when they canned James Gunn and stopped GotG vol.3 production indefinitely! One of their most successful projects.

It's not about the money for Disney! It's about their brand. If they protect their brands--the money will flow like water.

Without getting too political--If it was all about the money, Rosanne will still be on the air at ABC (a Disney owned network) because it makes money from the deep red states.

Regardless of how you feel, Disney has the balls to do what it wants and not face major consequences... and I'm guessing, X-Men is an easy argument for them to win when it comes to stopping Fox production and start their very own one.

How is releasing it going to damage their brand? Everbody knows that version of the xmen is not a part of the mcu. Disney might have bought fox but it will still be a fox film.

Regardless how i feel? Again you are suggesting i have some emotional attachment to this film, i don't. Check the dark phoenix forum i haven't posted a single post in there because i couldn't care less about the film. I think you're the one who has strong feelings about this film and your emotion is clouding your judgement. You want it to fail and not be released. I couldn't give a flying f if it is or not.