The Dark Knight If the first movie hadn't been so kickarse, people would be freaking out now

[Matchbox]

** The new costume that looks like Batman & Robin.

I think you need to be more specific with that one in order to prove your point, SpandexFan.

** Some of the Joker casting/make-up decisions.

What was wrong with the casting of Heath Ledger? What didn't you like about the make-up? (from what poor shots/angles we've seen of it)

** Getting rid of original cast members (Katie Holmes) and replacing them with new actors but trying to act like the movie character hasn't changed.

Member(s)? They only cast member they replaced was Kate Holmes' character. (Maggie Gylenhaal) Yes, they are "acting" like the movie character hasn't changed. That's the whole concept of recasting. What were they supposed to do? You either recast the character, or you leave the character out of the film. You need to explain this more as well.

If not for the fact that Batman Begins was so freaking cool, admit it, many of you would be in full blown preproduction panic right now. t:

Amazing what trust in a director can do.

Some fans tend to panic no matter what creative decisions are made, but I do see your point. Yes, Nolan is doing some unexpected things with this film, but it's all relative. If Batman Begins had been done poorly, then those fans who do not like what they're seeing thus far in the filming process would be in a panic. Those who like what they're seeing thus far would be cautiously optimistic at best. However, with Batman Begins being a success, all fans are either giving Nolan the benifit of the doubt, or are very pleased. All that goes without saying, though...

-Matchbox

 

[Batman>all]

I love all the decisions so far.

Only thing that has me worried is how it will look on screen when Maggie Gylenhaal replaces Katie Holmes.

Will it work or look stupid?

 

[Matchbox]

I love all the decisions so far.

Only thing that has me worried is how it will look on screen when Maggie Gylenhaal replaces Katie Holmes.

Will it work or look stupid?

Maggie Gylenhaal looks quite a bit like Katie Holmes in the filming shots I've seen of her. In my opinion, this recasting will appear smooth on-screen.

=Matchbox

 

[blind_fury]

If you didn't like Batman Begins, then you shouldn't like any other Batman movie. Why are you modding this section!?!?

Screw the hypebole, I have standards for what I accept as a quality Batman movie. It takes more than a serious/realistic tone and a couple homages to Year One to make a spot-on Batman movie.

I prefer Batman TAS and Batman (89) over Begins. It didn't help that I actually expected more from Begins than any other Batman adaptation.

 

[Mr. Superhero]

It takes more than a serious/realistic tone and a couple homages to Year One to make a spot-on Batman movie.

Says it all, really.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I thought begins was too bland and bogged down in its own attempts to be deep, badly edited, too much of a bruce wayne movie, too stupid with all the oneliners, and poorly written and acted except of course by the veterans in the game who basically copied and pasted performances from other movies into that one. In conclusion I'm being nice when I say I thought it was an average movie that became overrated because it was preceeded by batman and robin.

So I expect either more of the same or a vast improvement. One thing I'm glad to hear is that Nolan said he'd want to make a different movie than begins. thank god.

You know, most people who diss Begins don't do it in a way that's very intelligent. But you actually state why you disliked it and gave reasons for it. So, reading this post which quite clearly states why you disliked Begins, I'm having troubble finding reason as to why you defended Ghost Rider. I don't want to seem petty, but that movie had all the faults you stated above, and then some.

 

[smatt584]

It's the fall of western civilization!

 

[The Kid]

You know, most people who diss Begins don't do it in a way that's very intelligent. But you actually state why you disliked it and gave reasons for it. So, reading this post which quite clearly states why you disliked Begins, I'm having troubble finding reason as to why you defended Ghost Rider. I don't want to seem petty, but that movie had all the faults you stated above, and then some.

Because I knew fans would look for something to tear apart after being frustrated by the wars in teh superman return boards.

And anyone who scrutinizes ghost rider on the same level as batman, superman, x-men and spiderman is dumb, frankly.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Because I knew fans would look for something to tear apart after being frustrated by the wars in teh superman return boards.

And anyone who scrutinizes ghost rider on the same level as batman, superman, and spiderman is dumb, frankly.

I see your point, but I tend to look at all my movies on the same plane. The sad thing is that we couldn't have scrutinized Ghost Rider on the same level as those other movies. It had so much potential to be a very good movie.

 

[The Kid]

I see your point, but I tend to look at all my movies on the same plane. The sad thing is that we couldn't have scrutinized Ghost Rider on the same level as those other movies. It had so much potential to be a very good movie.

Same with spidey 1, yet I felt that this place put it up on a level it never deserved.

What's funny about the internet is that it ain't the same as it was back in 1999 when I started on it.

It's become a hive of scum and villainy.

I fear studio interference online will destroy honest movie discussion we once knew.

 

[Goddamn_Batman]

And anyone who scrutinizes ghost rider on the same level as batman, superman, x-men and spiderman is dumb, frankly.

True, but still, you have to admit that that movie blew, right? Even for a generic, no-story-just-special-effects kind of film, it was pretty crappy. I mean, I would rather see a movie try to inject some deepness and come up a little short than for the director to just say "ah, screw it, let's just get Nic Cage and blow crap up."

 

[The Kid]

True, but still, you have to admit that that movie blew, right? Even for a generic, no-story-just-special-effects kind of film, it was pretty crappy. I mean, I would rather see a movie try to inject some deepness and come up a little short than for the director to just say "ah, screw it, let's just get Nic Cage and blow crap up."

I enjoyed the boobs and the fx and nic cage, so no it didn't blow.

there's nothing to admit. To me it's as if they made a iron fist movie and it turned out pretty decent.

why people are putting it alongside catwoman and steel and batman and robin I think it's because they just want something to bash because movies like superman returns and such didn't get the respect they thought it deserved.

Kevin went postal on ghost rider, if you guys remember. trolled the hell out of that board.

 

[Fenrir]

And anyone who scrutinizes ghost rider on the same level as batman, superman, x-men and spiderman is dumb, frankly.

Yes, how dare people judge a comic book film on the standards set by other comic book films.

You might wan to rethink your application of the word 'dumb' my dear good friend, because it just might come back to bite you in the ass.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Same with spidey 1, yet I felt that this place put it up on a level it never deserved.

What's funny about the internet is that it ain't the same as it was back in 1999 when I started on it.

It's become a hive of scum and villainy.

I fear studio interference online will destroy honest movie discussion we once knew.

It may be corrupt but (in my best Batman voice) I believe in Superhero Hype.

And I'm not very happy with the Spider-man movies to be honest. I enjoy them for what they are, but they left out very important aspects of the character. That's why I have more faith in Nolan. Even though some of Goyer's dialouge was pretty iffy at points, I think Nolan really seems to understand the character, and hopefully he'll show other producers that you can make a good superhero movie without straying from the source material too much.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I think you need to be more specific with that one in order to prove your point, SpandexFan.

I think you answered your own question by saying his name.

 

[Qwerty©]

Umm, no. Wrong again, chump. I never discredited Wesyeed's opinion because of the movies he liked.

Yes you did. Look at your post again.

But rather pointing out the irony in the fact that most of the problems he listed for Begins are complaints generally leveled at Superman Returns, Hulk and Ghost Rider - namely being increasingly bland, trying too hard to be deep and badly edited.

And how does that make him wrong, exactly?

So crank up that reading comprehension whenever you're replying to posts next time sonny and maybe you won't sound so "******ed" yourself.

Is that supposed to sound clever?

And that brainfart about Katie Holmes being the best thing in BB?

L. O. L!

It's called an opinion.

 

[StorminNorman]

Hey, Wesyeed loved Ghost Rider, Superman Returns and Hulk. He's the last person anyone should listen to about badly edited comic book films trying too hard to be deep. As for the laughable poor acting comment, well, what else do you expect from the guy who though Katie Holmes was the best thing in Begins?

I mean, come on, I can't even tell now if he's being sarcastic or not. He's joked around so many times that he himself has become a joke. Seriously.

But both Superman Returns and Hulk were well edited, great films that successfully brought depth to what are otherwise seen as fairly 2d characters .

 

[Qwerty©]

Yes, how dare people judge a comic book film on the standards set by other comic book films.

Are you saying characters like Fantastic Four and Spider-Man should be compared to Batman?

 

[ToddIsDead]

Let's be honest....

** The new costume that looks like Batman & Robin.
** Some of the Joker casting/make-up decisions.
** Getting rid of original cast members (Katie Holmes) and replacing them with new actors but trying to act like the movie character hasn't changed.

If not for the fact that Batman Begins was so freaking cool, admit it, many of you would be in full blown preproduction panic right now. t:

Amazing what trust in a director can do.

I actually agree with this quite a bit. The fact that I enjoyed the first movie so much is the only reason I'm still interested in TDK. I've hated nearly everything that I've seen of this movie so far.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Are you saying characters like Fantastic Four and Spider-Man should be compared to Batman?

Spider-man? Of course he should. Spider-man is one of the most popular Superhero's today, and there is no reason Spider-man shouldn't be able to be compared with Batman. Unfortunatley Raimi settled to make Spider-man more of a goof then a real character. But there is no reason why the character of Spider-man should not be compared to Batman.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Because I knew fans would look for something to tear apart after being frustrated by the wars in teh superman return boards.

And anyone who scrutinizes ghost rider on the same level as batman, superman, x-men and spiderman is dumb, frankly.

But conversely, I think is the reasoning why Begins (I think) unfairly gets a lot of the criticism it gets, while other movies get a pass for far worse atrocities. Same with Spider-Man 3 and Superman Returns.

I see people giving higher ratings to movies like FF2 and Ghost Rider over these films because they enjoyed them "for what they are" - dumb fun, where the movies I listed above tried for something greater and may have stumbled or failed in certain areas.

It just aggravates me when people prefer movies that aim lower and succeed than movies that aim high and don't quite reach it.

 

[Qwerty©]

SpandexFan has a point, the things we have seen are controversial, and the only reason they are tolerated is because of our trust in Nolan based on Batman Begins.

Face it, if this was the first Batman movie, and we saw SWAT member Batman, disfigured Joker and the casting of Heath Ledger everyone would be up in arms.

 

[Goddamn_Batman]

The way I look at it is, do the movies make me care about characters, in any way? Begins did. Spidey 1-2 did. Superman Returns, Ghost Rider, and FF 1-2 did not. Returns was the only decent one in the bunch, but in all of those movies, I literally did not give two s***s whether or not the main characters died, and that ain't usually a good thing in a movie.

 

[Qwerty©]

Spider-man? Of course he should. Spider-man is one of the most popular Superhero's today, and there is no reason Spider-man shouldn't be able to be compared with Batman. Unfortunatley Raimi settled to make Spider-man more of a goof then a real character. But there is no reason why the character of Spider-man should not be compared to Batman.

Other than being a completely different character in terms of tone and believability?

 

[Batty Belfry]

Amusing, but pointless. Why don't some of you wait until you actually see TDK before proclaiming that the sky is falling.