If The Wrestling Thread Keeps Changing Titles, Thread Manager Gets A Brogue Kick

[Hunter Rider]

- According to several sources, WWE creative has been discussing the idea of having Diva AJ challenge for the Divas Title at some point in the near future.

- Injured WWE Diva Layla returned to the ring at last night's FCW event in Tampa. Layla teamed up with Audrey Marie and faced the team of Paige and Sofia Cortez.

- The Wrestling Observer is reporting that WWE's No Way Out PPV, which is returning in June, will be an all steel cage match event, similar to what TNA does with Lockdown every year. At this point, it remains to be seen whether or not WWE will be able to build story lines in a PG fashion that will lead up to an all cage match event, but as of now that is the current plan.

WWE's No Way Out PPV will be facing stiff competition the weekend that it airs, as the night before Anderson Silva will face Chael Sonnen in a highly anticipated MMA bout. No Way Out has been announced to take place in East Rutherford, NJ at The Izod Center.

- Source: PWInsider.com

While not all of these have been confirmed by WWE, this is list is according to sources from PWInsider.com:

Edge will be inducted by Christian

Four Horsemen (Arn Anderson, Barry Windham, JJ Dillon, Ric Flair and Tully Blanchard) will be inducted by Dusty Rhodes

Mike Tyson will be inducted by Shawn Michaels and Triple H

Mil Mascaras will be inducted by Alberto Del Rio

Ron Simmons will be inducted by John "Bradshaw" Layfield

Yokozuna will be inducted by Jey Uso, Jimmy Uso and Rikishi

Jerry "The King" Lawler will host the event.

 

[Anno_Domini]

So I guess that squashes the rumor of Rock being inducted. Maybe for the WM 30 weekend if he doesn't wrestle.

When was the last time we ever saw Ron and John together? When John backstabbed his partner?

 

[Anno_Domini]

did'nt people complain orton and cena hogged their respective titles

wtf you think will happen if we have 1 title and cena and orton are top faces along with punk?

A heel Orton going after the title isn't a bad thing and FAR better than a babyface Orton, imo.

And the title should just stay with Punk for a while t:

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Ugh the smiley's only serve to weaken you further. The points being made by Keyser were that all of the guys you like didn't start out as top guys, I bet you weren't a Triple H fan when he was the Connecticut Blue blood! for instance. It takes time and a push of consistency to get guys in top spots, but you're pissing on them before they even have time to grow, that was the point being made that you ignored to go into your usual routine of self pity, I thought you might have learned with CM Punk that it takes time but I guess not.

Also your soap opera thing makes no sense when you couple it with your insistence that it doesn't matter how the matches play out. Wrestling is a riff on the Rocky movie formula week after week, do Clubber Lang and Ivan Drago matter as threats to Rocky if they don't beat the **** out of him and Apollo respectively? If Rocky loses at the end of the movie does it not matter? of course it does, for the same reason it matters in wrestling if you are building a good story and proper characters.

The comparison to Triple H before he became the Triple H that I know and love today is irrelevant, because the guys in questions (Mark Henry, Christian, and Daniel Bryan) are all built. These aren't new, young guys stuck with lame gimmicks to see how they handle it. These are all guys now who have been built and are pretty much what they are going to be. Not that there won't be character shifts, of course there will be, but these guys are built. And I don't like them as main eventers as they are now, as they are being portrayed in the main event.

And as far as how the matches play out - no I don't care how matches play out, in terms of over analyzing a match outcome the way Metallo does, talking about Jeff Hardy got buried because he pinned Edge instead of Triple H. I don't overanalyze it in the way that many people in this thread do talking about guys "returning the favor" and putting one guy over after they won an earlier match in the feud. I don't over analyze match outcomes by saying an outcome is tainted because it ended with interference, or saying that a guy looked weak because he didn't win "clean". I don't over analyze match outcomes, for instance in the case of Rock v. Cena, that Rock needs to "put over" Cena because Cena is the guy that's around now. Cena already is the guy. Cena winning the match isn't going to make him the guy. It's not going to make him more popular. It's not going to make him a bigger star. On the flip side, I don't see Cena being "damaged" by losing to The Rock. So at the end of the day, to me, no, it doesn't matter who wins the match, because this match isn't going to drastically shift the future of professional wrestling, or characters.

And things like Cena turning heel, and having a drastic shift in his character have less to do with the actual outcome of the match, and more to do with the character and storyline dynamics that they choose to take.

The matches serve to further the story, and that's where the outcome of the match is important. Not in how a guy "put over" another guy, or if the ending was "clean", or if Triple H tapped last year to Undertaker instead of passing out.

I agree that The Miz should not get involved in Rock v. Cena at Wrestlemania. Not for some purity of the match, but because storyline wise, Miz really has nothing to do with the match and shouldn't butt in - as an example of what I mean.

 

[venom892]

this convo about giving new guys a chance reminds me how lucky Undertaker was. Right from the gate, he had a solid and memorable character. He didnt have his blueblood or rocky maiva phase.

He did just not in WWE. He had some pretty crappy gimmicks in WCW.

 

[Metallo]

The comparison to Triple H before he became the Triple H that I know and love today is irrelevant, because the guys in questions (Mark Henry, Christian, and Daniel Bryan) are all built. These aren't new, young guys stuck with lame gimmicks to see how they handle it. These are all guys now who have been built and are pretty much what they are going to be. Not that there won't be character shifts, of course there will be, but these guys are built. And I don't like them as main eventers as they are now, as they are being portrayed in the main event.

No they aren't. Those guys haven't reached the highest levels yet. Giving someone a title and giving them a strong run are two different things. The evolution doesn't always STOP at a certain point.

Thats like saying Eddie Guerrero or Chris Benoit or Rey Mysterio or Chris Jericho were all they were ever going to be in 1999 or 2000. That bullsh**. Can someone be all they can be when they aren't even given the opportunities? When Mark Henry WAS given a legit chance he finally shined. He's had chances before but this time they gave him something substantial and he was ready for it. Its been the best run of his career so far. By your logic he was as far as he was going to get 2 years ago yet he proved you wrong.

Chris Jericho proves you wrong. He's not the same performer he was 10 years ago. He got better.

BRET HART proves you wrong. In the business almost 15 damn years before he got his first taste of the main event in WWF. He only got better after that.

Christian has never TRULY gotten a chance besides his run with Orton but it still doesn't compare to the chances others have gotten. Even Miz got a better opportunity than he did in the long run.

Its never too late when someone gets a REAL shot. DDP alone proves what you say wrong. Totally reinvented himself when he was pushing 40. You're SO sure that the people you mentioned couldn't grow as performers even more? Thats crap.

Daniel Bryan is 30 f***ing years old. He's easily got another 5 or 10 years to evolve even more. You quite honestly have no clue what you're talking about on this one.

Its thinking like yours that got Steve Austin fired from WCW and why the Radicalz left near the end.

 

[Metallo]

While not all of these have been confirmed by WWE, this is list is according to sources from PWInsider.com:

Edge will be inducted by Christian

Four Horsemen (Arn Anderson, Barry Windham, JJ Dillon, Ric Flair and Tully Blanchard) will be inducted by Dusty Rhodes

Mike Tyson will be inducted by Shawn Michaels and Triple H

Mil Mascaras will be inducted by Alberto Del Rio

Ron Simmons will be inducted by John "Bradshaw" Layfield

Yokozuna will be inducted by Jey Uso, Jimmy Uso and Rikishi

Jerry "The King" Lawler will host the event.

That sounds like the right way to go for everyone.

Shocked DX didn't want to induct the Horsemen. There are lots of tie ins they could have made. Dusty is the right call there.

Austin could have inducted Tyson but DX works.

They could have gone a couple of different ways with Simmons but even though he had some of his biggest accomplishments in WCW he also had his most remembered run in WWF. I can see why Bradshaw is inducting him.

 

[Pink Ranger]

For old time's sake, Windham and Anderson should hold Dusty down while Blanchard and Flair beat him to a pulp.

 

[Metallo]

Thats a lot of pulping to do

 

[TX85]

No Way Out ppv..Cool,Good list for HOF!!

 

[venom892]

I like the inductors for the Hall of Fame. Especially Rikishi for Yokozuna. They were really close.

 

[Wheels]

I'm sick of WWE and TNA devaluing gimmick matches. I despise Lockdown so WWE ripping it off earns no points with me.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The comparison to Triple H before he became the Triple H that I know and love today is irrelevant, because the guys in questions (Mark Henry, Christian, and Daniel Bryan) are all built. These aren't new, young guys stuck with lame gimmicks to see how they handle it. These are all guys now who have been built and are pretty much what they are going to be. Not that there won't be character shifts, of course there will be, but these guys are built. And I don't like them as main eventers as they are now, as they are being portrayed in the main event.

Daniel Bryan has been on TV for around 18 months, he's 3 years younger than Punk and younger than Triple H was by the time anyone gave 2 ****s about him and H had been in the WWE 5 years before he got really over, so there's no logic from you there. Christian's time has passed because the booking didn't put him over properly, he was way more over than Miz, Sheamus or Del Rio, but Vince didn't like him and thus he's been used as an enhancement guy. Mark Henry is a monster who was booked as a goof for a decade, they then booked him as a monster and he got over huge, gee who'd of thunk it!

And as far as how the matches play out - no I don't care how matches play out, in terms of over analyzing a match outcome the way Metallo does, talking about Jeff Hardy got buried because he pinned Edge instead of Triple H. I don't overanalyze it in the way that many people in this thread do talking about guys "returning the favor" and putting one guy over after they won an earlier match in the feud. I don't over analyze match outcomes by saying an outcome is tainted because it ended with interference, or saying that a guy looked weak because he didn't win "clean".

You don't understand is the word you're looking for, you can call me any names you want I don't care, I flat out don't think you understand how wrestling works and I think the guys you worship would tell you the same.

 

[Hunter Rider]

TNA took a huge step back this week, Sting going back to "full time" wrestler only to appoint glory hog Hogan as the new GM, and him and Dixie thought it was a good idea to give the show over to a guy who hijacked it for a year and tried to run Dixie out? The guy they spent a year getting the show BACK from.......Oh TNA!

Add to that the stereotyping of the Mexican wrestlers being the ones that can't afford their car payments. and the "celebrity" guy who was repossessing it says "Go do your wrestling gimmick thing"......Promotion!

Only good segment was the Storm/Roode video and Storm's promo, although he needs Superkick lessons from HBK.

 

[Daniel Thompson]

TNA took a huge step back this week, Sting going back to "full time" wrestler only to appoint glory hog Hogan as the new GM, and him and Dixie thought it was a good idea to give the show over to a guy who hijacked it for a year and tried to run Dixie out? The guy they spent a year getting the show BACK from.......Oh TNA!

Add to that the stereotyping of the Mexican wrestlers being the ones that can't afford their car payments. and the "celebrity" guy who was repossessing it says "Go do your wrestling gimmick thing"......Promotion!

Only good segment was the Storm/Roode video and Storm's promo, although he needs Superkick lessons from HBK.

Yeah TNA has been an epic fail for a few years now. I'm surprised they even made 10 years so far in the wrestling buisness.

 

[Metallo]

TNA took a huge step back this week, Sting going back to "full time" wrestler only to appoint glory hog Hogan as the new GM, and him and Dixie thought it was a good idea to give the show over to a guy who hijacked it for a year and tried to run Dixie out? The guy they spent a year getting the show BACK from.......Oh TNA!

Add to that the stereotyping of the Mexican wrestlers being the ones that can't afford their car payments. and the "celebrity" guy who was repossessing it says "Go do your wrestling gimmick thing"......Promotion!

Only good segment was the Storm/Roode video and Storm's promo, although he needs Superkick lessons from HBK.

I really didn't even bother to watch most of it. Hogan coming back in a major role is awful. Sting continues to be the most naive babyface in wrestling history. He was a fine authority figure and should also be winding down as a wrestler. The new role was a good fit for that.

Putting Hogan back in that spot is ridiculous because you just know he's going to hog airtime. Hopefully Prichard comes back to work soon because he's the only guy there besides Bischoff that has a long history of working with Hogan behind the scenes. He's the only guy that can do the political maneuvering that isn't necessarily on Hogans side. Dixies clueless to that stuff.

Yeah TNA has been an epic fail for a few years now. I'm surprised they even made 10 years so far in the wrestling buisness.

Says the guy who clearly hasn't been watching lately. TNA's been pretty good for the last 6 months or so. New creative team and a youth push. Its only gotten poor again since the last PPV.

Might have something to do with Bruce Prichard having a heart attack but who knows.

 

[Slushy]

A lot of people like Triple H as The Game, but I'm one of the few guys who was of a fan of him when he was The Connecticut Blueblood. As a matter of fact, when Triple H started his Reign of Doom back in 2002, it was bittersweet for me because as he was burying guys left and right and as starting Evolution, he brought back some of his Greenwich snob elements.

So I guess that squashes the rumor of Rock being inducted. Maybe for the WM 30 weekend if he doesn't wrestle.

If Miami was his last match, The Rock would've been the first one announced for the Hall of Fame. I can see him headlining WM 30's class if Sting still decides not to participate with Vince by then.

When was the last time we ever saw Ron and John together? When John backstabbed his partner?

I think you would be correct. Shame we never got a match between them when JBL was the WWE Champion.

 

[Dr. Evil]

TNA took a huge step back this week, Sting going back to "full time" wrestler only to appoint glory hog Hogan as the new GM, and him and Dixie thought it was a good idea to give the show over to a guy who hijacked it for a year and tried to run Dixie out? The guy they spent a year getting the show BACK from.......Oh TNA!

Add to that the stereotyping of the Mexican wrestlers being the ones that can't afford their car payments. and the "celebrity" guy who was repossessing it says "Go do your wrestling gimmick thing"......Promotion!

Only good segment was the Storm/Roode video and Storm's promo, although he needs Superkick lessons from HBK.

And they were making so much progress too.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

I didn't watch IMPACT yet,But Hogan's GM again?SMH

 

[Metallo]

A lot of people like Triple H as The Game, but I'm one of the few guys who was of a fan of him when he was The Connecticut Blueblood. As a matter of fact, when Triple H started his Reign of Doom back in 2002, it was bittersweet for me because as he was burying guys left and right and as starting Evolution, he brought back some of his Greenwich snob elements.

Much like Taker breaking away from the Old West character freed him up HHH breaking away from the Blueblood snob freed him up too since the gimmick was so limiting at first.

I enjoyed some of that stuff he did with Evolution but it seemed like Triple H was just a big kid wanting to play Ric Flair. He probably loved every minute of it.

I thought around 2006 when he was facing Cena he might be evolving into a kind of amalgamation of all his past personas. The Conn blueblood, the sophomoric DX wiseass, the Game, and The suit wearing leader of Evolution all rolled into one. They were playing up his traditionalism vs Cenas unorthodox style. Even when he returned as the King of Kings I got that feeling. Sadly it didn't quite work out as strongly as I'd hoped.

I'd like to see him try something like that the way Undertaker did in 2004/2005

 

[Wheels]

Quite frankly if I never saw Hogan on a wrestling tv show again I wouldn't care. He's not even remotely entertaining at this point.

 

[Daniel Thompson]

The old west gimmick was Taker's best gimmick, he was truly scary at the time of 1990-1992.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

I loved the Ministry Taker.He was just so damn evil.He reminded me of a supervillain .

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Daniel Bryan has been on TV for around 18 months, he's 3 years younger than Punk and younger than Triple H was by the time anyone gave 2 ****s about him and H had been in the WWE 5 years before he got really over, so there's no logic from you there. Christian's time has passed because the booking didn't put him over properly, he was way more over than Miz, Sheamus or Del Rio, but Vince didn't like him and thus he's been used as an enhancement guy. Mark Henry is a monster who was booked as a goof for a decade, they then booked him as a monster and he got over huge, gee who'd of thunk it!



You don't understand is the word you're looking for, you can call me any names you want I don't care, I flat out don't think you understand how wrestling works and I think the guys you worship would tell you the same.

I understand how wrestling works just fine. I know plenty of people who are involved in the business in one way or another on various levels. I have a pretty good grasp of how things work.

Most of these people in the business that I know also tend to agree with how I look at wrestling. They understand the importance of the booking aspect obviously, but they also don't nit pick every little minute detail like some people in this thread do. I know people who are in indy circuits out in California, I know people who have had ties to WWE directly (the production aspect of it, not just some guy in an office somewhere, or some janitor), so yea, I understand just fine. Even when these people don't necessarily agree with me (for instance, the people I know out in California are huge Daniel Bryan fans where I'm not), they totally at least understand where I'm coming from, instead of twisting my words to suit their own argument. They agree with me when ultimately I say wrestling is about putting on a good show, not "putting guys over", and these are people in the business on different levels who would stress the importance of "putting people over", but also understand that's not the purpose of watching the show, and overanalyzing every detail of who gets put over when and how.

 

[Spike014]

I only watch TNA for AJ and Aries and even that's just out of habit, TNA have dropped the ball fro a good year maybe two and when you think it can get better it gets worse. Also a lot of TNA contracts are up soon so unless they do a WCW and offer guys huge amounts of money many won't be a TNA wrestler.