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[Pink Ranger]

As much as I hate to admit it, it looks increasingly like Bryan vs. Sheamus should open WM. They're two solid performers, but their match has the least story behind it (not including the divas match) so it makes the most ideal curtain jerker.

 

[Metallo]

Big difference.The Rock wasn't called out by GLAAD,Cena was.If Glaad called out The Rock I'm pretty sure The Rock would be fine with working with them,and I'm pretty sure if WWE wasn't called out they would have kept going with the gay jokes.

And the WWE probably were called out on The Rock years ago when The Rock was active,but then the WWE probably didn't care.It was all before the PG-era/Post-Benoit/Gay rights movement.

And Vince is probably doesn't want to step on Rock's toes.He gave The Rock creative freedom .So he just sits back and lets him do his thing.If WWE gets complaints.He and The Rock will probably chill out a bit.

I'm not saying that makes it all okay.I'm just saying that's probably The WWE's stance on things.

Maybe they haven't heard about it yet? And how the f*** does that make it OK? Either its right or its wrong. Its all ok or none of its OK.

And WWE are STILL hypocrites for letting Rock do this stuff if they are so on board with Gladd. They shouldn't HAVE to tell them

I doubt every homosexual on the planet gave Rock their permission to make fun of them.

Cenas only catching sh** from some people on some of this because of bias. its similar to what Hunter said: the people that don't have a dog in this fight or weren't nursed on the Attitude Era can actually step back and be unbiased. If people here are going to give Rock a pass for some of the things he's said then Cena should get one too. Or trash them both. Kayfabe or not they are just as offensive to certain groups.

 

[Wheels]

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[The Chris]

Cosmetic surgery. By that reasoning Rock shouldn't have made fun of Stephanie's boob job.

Cenas point still stands. Rock says Cenas shooting is childish but the things Rock says are just as childish. What does Cenas mom have to do with ANYTHING?

Yeah Cenas made gay jokes but I don't see Rock respecting WWE's attempts to work with organizations like GLAAD either. He made a career out of anti homosexual jokes. Its not OK for Cena to make fun of Rocks surgery but its OK for Rock to make fun of gays and mentally handicapped people and the various other groups he's trashed over the years fora cheap joke?

People say the roster should suck it up well if Rock IS there to help the company then HE should suck it up too.

People have dealt with FAR worse insults in WWE than the ones he got and sucked it up and they weren't making HALF as much money as he is now. Jake Roberts driinking. Hawks drinking. Jokes about Molly Holly having a big ass. Triple H making horse jokes about Lillian Garcia. And thats not even getting into stuff in the back like Michael Hayes dropping the N word like its candy or the various other BS people have had to deal with.

Edge making cracks about Terry Gordy being dead? Randy Orton saying Eddie Guerrero is in HELL? The unending jokes about Vickie Guerrero being a fat pig? MICKIE JAMES being a fat pig? That was all pretty harsh stuff. Rock needs to just deal with it.

If I was making MILLIONS of dollars for basically showing up once every 2 or 3 months and rambling on a mic Cena could make fun of every medical issue I've ever had. People talk about Shawn Michaels being sensitive in 97? Sheesh.

I'm saying it's not okay for Cena to do one thing and say another. I don't see Rock saying all you have is gay jokes while in turn making gay jokes himself. That's what I have a problem. It's not the actual material that's my problem, I liked Cena's rap monday. It's that he can do that, and then act completely different the next time you see him. You can't go on twitter and say "People should stick to the difficult stuff like mom jokes, sexuality, and making light of someones appearance" in a way to prove his case, while on the same show you were making that peanut and Cleveland steamer joke and then making a boob operation joke. I'm not taking it serious really, i'm just noticing a contradiction. I don't even think Rock takes it seriously. A fan said something to him, and he gave his opinion which I'm being honest in saying I agree with. It does seem easier to harp on Rock's real life things like movies, instead of doing it the kayfabe way. Honestly, I've seen people on the internet destroy Cena and the WWE's real life stuff, yet Rock hasn't used some of that stuff. Like Cena being on that failed manhunt show, or maybe even calling him a failed bodybuilder who went to wrestling instead, or that fact that maybe the only reason he's there everyday is that he's made movies and barely anyone has seen them. I can't help but laugh every time Cena mentions the tooth ferry. I mean really, the star of The Marine is dissing someone else's movie? And I can't even stand that tooth ferry garbage. I had my head down in shame the entire time, but I've got to say it. More people saw that turd than 12 Rounds. It would probably be different if Punk said these things. From cena it comes off as fake.

 

[The Sage]

Personally I think the Rock doing some shooting would do him a world of good in this feud. It was only in the context of the Rock concert that his jokes have really worked. I still think they should do a sit down interview between him and Cena.

I still agree with Cody/Show opening Wrestlemania. Sheamus/Bryan can be next, followed by Kane/Orton. Then Cena/Jericho, then Teddy/Ace's team battle, Triple H/Taker, a brief Divas tag match, and then Rock/Cena to close out.

And I still question how much promo time the Rock needs during the show. One should be enough, IMO, and they could do vignettes and backstage segments for the rest.

 

[Wheels]

I think Bryan vs Sheamus would do a better job at getting the crowd pumped, but I hate world heavyweight championship match opening the show.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

Maybe they haven't heard about it yet? And how the f*** does that make it OK? Either its right or its wrong. Its all ok or none of its OK.

And WWE are STILL hypocrites for letting Rock do this stuff if they are so on board with Gladd. They shouldn't HAVE to tell them

I doubt every homosexual on the planet gave Rock their permission to make fun of them.

Cenas only catching sh** from some people on some of this because of bias. its similar to what Hunter said: the people that don't have a dog in this fight or weren't nursed on the Attitude Era can actually step back and be unbiased. If people here are going to give Rock a pass for some of the things he's said then Cena should get one too. Or trash them both. Kayfabe or not they are just as offensive to certain groups.

I agree with that,and I never gave The Rock a pass I said this is what I think is going on. I'm being Hypothetical.I actually have been expecting GLAAD to say something.

Vince probably want's The Rock to be The Rock.So if The Rock wants to say all of these things Vince is gonna let him.Cena or Punk aren't gonna get the same freedom as The Rock.If anything Vince or whoever is in charge is showing bias.

And let's be honest the The WWE wouldn't care about all of this BA STAR campaign if the Benoit incident didn't happen or if Linda was running for congress.They would still be Jerry Springer lite right now.

Plus I don't really get why Cena's upset.He more than likely is going over at WrestleMania.It's not like The Rock is Hogan or HHH .People who have a history of burials.

 

[The Chris]

Personally I think the Rock doing some shooting would do him a world of good in this feud. It was only in the context of the Rock concert that his jokes have really worked. I still think they should do a sit down interview between him and Cena.

I still agree with Cody/Show opening Wrestlemania. Sheamus/Bryan can be next, followed by Kane/Orton. Then Cena/Jericho, then Teddy/Ace's team battle, Triple H/Taker, a brief Divas tag match, and then Rock/Cena to close out.

And I still question how much promo time the Rock needs during the show. One should be enough, IMO, and they could do vignettes and backstage segments for the rest.

I think Cody/Show should open as well. I DO NOT want Punk/Jericho to open the show. I think after the year he had, opening Mania would be an insult to Punk. If I had to do choose, I would go with your order, though I've got to say i never understood the need for a breather. A lot of my least favorite manias were booked that way, and then with Wrestlemania 25 personally that wasn't just hurt by Undertaker/HBK, the triple threat, and orton/HHH all happening one after the other. I think it was hurt by the two title matches just not being all that good anyway. I think if Hell in a cell/the wwe title match, and rock/cena were all one after the other, and they all delivered. That would be awesome, like how WM 17 and 19 were for example. We'll see though.

 

[Project862006]

rock is so used to the catch phrase happy promos not to mention rock has never had anyone allowed to go insult to insult with him on a serious level

 

[Metallo]

I'm saying it's not okay for Cena to do one thing and say another. I don't see Rock saying all you have is gay jokes while in turn making gay jokes himself. That's what I have a problem. It's not the actual material that's my problem, I liked Cena's rap monday. It's that he can do that, and then act completely different the next time you see him. You can't go on twitter and say "People should stick to the difficult stuff like mom jokes, sexuality, and making light of someones appearance" in a way to prove his case, while on the same show you were making that peanut and Cleveland steamer joke and then making a boob operation joke. I'm not taking it serious really, i'm just noticing a contradiction. I don't even think Rock takes it seriously. A fan said something to him, and he gave his opinion which I'm being honest in saying I agree with. It does seem easier to harp on Rock's real life things like movies, instead of doing it the kayfabe way. Honestly, I've seen people on the internet destroy Cena and the WWE's real life stuff, yet Rock hasn't used some of that stuff. Like Cena being on that failed manhunt show, or maybe even calling him a failed bodybuilder who went to wrestling instead, or that fact that maybe the only reason he's there everyday is that he's made movies and barely anyone has seen them. I can't help but laugh every time Cena mentions the tooth ferry. I mean really, the star of The Marine is dissing someone else's movie? And I can't even stand that tooth ferry garbage. I had my head down in shame the entire time, but I've got to say it. More people saw that turd than 12 Rounds. It would probably be different if Punk said these things. From cena it comes off as fake.

You missed Cenas point. He's using that as a counterpoint to what the Rock said. He doesn't mean people can't say it. How can Rock accuse Cena of being childish when Rock is JUST as childish on the mic?

Rocks used the same kind of humor he makes fun of Cena for using. And just because Rock wants to do more kayfabbin than Cena thats his prerogative. It doesn't mean Cena shouldn't be able to do what he wants.

As bad as the Marine was The Tooth Fair was worse. So was Doom. So were a few of Rocks movies. Even the Rock made fun of Doom himself when talking TO Cena. That complaint is toothless.

Cena was shooting years ago with his Doctor of Thuganomics gimmick? How the hell is it fake when its the same kind of stuff he's said in the past? Rocks problem apparently isn't that its FAKE but that its too REAL.

If Jake Roberts can have a set and do business after REAL whiskey got thrown in his face without him knowing beforehand (when he was trying to stay sober) then Rock needs to just deal with it.

Of course compared to the veterans like Roberts Rock was a pampered blue chipper who didn't have to go through the REAL hardships of breaking into the business nearly as roughly as they did. Maybe thats why he can't take it. If Rock had had to go through what Flair did he'd be crying. Rhodes and Murdock treated him like absolute sh**

People were shooting on the mic in WWF 15 years ago. It was AUSTIN shooting on WCW in ECW that helped get him where he needed to be. Was Austin being "lazy?" Contradiction my butt. It is what it is. Rock should just grow thicker skin and not be such a mark.

 

[Wheels]

What is the worst match in WrestleMania history in your opinion? I guess mine would be the blindfold match at WrestleMania 7.

 

[The Chris]

Last years Michael Cole/Jerry Lawler was so boring, and then the ending was so enraging, so I say that.

 

[The Sage]

I think Cody/Show should open as well. I DO NOT want Punk/Jericho to open the show. I think after the year he had, opening Mania would be an insult to Punk. If I had to do choose, I would go with your order, though I've got to say i never understood the need for a breather. A lot of my least favorite manias were booked that way, and then with Wrestlemania 25 personally that wasn't just hurt by Undertaker/HBK, the triple threat, and orton/HHH all happening one after the other. I think it was hurt by the two title matches just not being all that good anyway. I think if Hell in a cell/the wwe title match, and rock/cena were all one after the other, and they all delivered. That would be awesome, like how WM 17 and 19 were for example. We'll see though.

You don't think people would be tired of screaming after Taker/HBK? A breather would give them a moment to recuperate before Rock/Cena. Though maybe the time they'll spend to take the Hell in a Cell apart after the match is over would be enough.

 

[Metallo]

I agree with that,and I never gave The Rock a pass I said this is what I think is going on. I'm being Hypothetical.I actually have been expecting GLAAD to say something.

Vince probably want's The Rock to be The Rock.So if The Rock wants to say all of these things Vince is gonna let him.Cena or Punk aren't gonna get the same freedom as The Rock.If anything Vince or whoever is in charge is showing bias.

And let's be honest the The WWE wouldn't care about all of this BA STAR campaign if the Benoit incident didn't happen or if Linda was running for congress.They would still be Jerry Springer lite right now.

Plus I don't really get why Cena's upset.He more than likely is going over at WrestleMania.It's not like The Rock is Hogan or HHH .People who have a history of burials.

Rock and Cena both seem to be getting the same amount of freedom to talk about each other however they feel. Even Cenas been using gay jokes agaisnt Rock. Rock seems to be taking the shooting too personally.

Its been a part of the business LONG before now. Some of the best IN the business have done it the way Cena is doing it on the mic right now against Rock even when it wasn't their usual MO.

Cenas upset because of Rocks double standard. I don't get why ROCKS upset. He's making a sh**load of money for a handful of dates in one year. The boys KNOW thats what the business is about...drawing money first and foremost. Thats more important than hurt feelings about somebody working or shooting.

 

[The Sage]

What is the worst match in WrestleMania history in your opinion? I guess mine would be the blindfold match at WrestleMania 7.

I don't know about worst match, but Orton/HHH at Wrestlemania 25 has to be one of the worst main-events in history. I watched it live. The booking didn't make sense, they weren't clicking at all. And after Taker/HBK and a decent world title triple-threat, it was pretty disappointing.

Weirdest stuff too. They hit each other with their finishers five minutes into match, only to kick out of them. Me and my friends were like, "What was the point of that?"

 

[The Chris]

That maybe true Sage about the breather, but I tell you I still think having that divas match after Rock/Hogan and before HHH/Jericho really killed it for me. I mean yeah, me and my bro were pretty exhausted after that mega match, but after the divas match we were bored and dead. The main event itself didn't help either. I mean people were loud and excited for Rock/Austin WM 17 even after giving a lot of emotion for HHH/Taker 1. Same for WM 19 with Hogan/Mcmahon, Rock/Austin, Angle/Lesnar all following each other. Shoot, the last three matches of WM 24 were all high profile, the breather was right before those.

I think if the matches can deliver, it would be all okay, because I think the crowd will be hot for Rock/Cena no matter what. I just hope for a Mania with a great 3rd act again.

Oh and yeah, that main event for wm 25 was just so off. Some of the main events for Mania have been lackluster lately. Best one since WM XX was WM XXVI, and that wasn't even for a title.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I'm surprised Cena's rap won the vote but then again you didn't need 20 minutes to hear it, so people maybe voted on the fact they didn't stick around for the entire Rock concert.

I knew that Divas match was going to get booked. Now Ryder needs to be on team Teddy to get on the card.

I had forgotten about Barrett...for a reason. I don't think he's ready to be challenging for a belt. He's missing something.

I agree, I think they need to find him the right character before they start talking about title feuds.

-- WWE.com has published a photo gallery of dream opponents they'd like to see The Undertaker face at WrestleMania. Those pictured include Sting, Andre the Giant, Randy Savage, Rey Mysterio, One Man Gang, Bret Hart, Bruiser Brody and Mr. Perfect, among several others.

One Man Gang seems an odd addition to that list.

- TNA had some interest in NFL star Brandon Jacobs, who was cut by the New York Giants, facing Bully Ray at April's Lockdown pay-per-view in Nashville.

When did he get cut? TNA were so busy promoting him as a Superbowl champ that they forgot to mention this small fact? lol.

Agree on that. Though as the majority when you're going against a real crowd favourite with the adequate size, it doesn't matter what size you are, they seem to take the lions share of the bumps. (i.e. Trips first heel title run, ans Austins heel run from 2001).

I think what makes it maybe seem like they take more bumps is they take several in quick succession for the big comeback part of the match, but if you look across the body of the match the face probably takes as many but more spread out.

I agree. He said himself that he could/would of wrestled on longer than he did. And he also said he wasn't didn't want to take the time out and have surgery earlier after all the momentum he had built up to that point.

I remember the anger in his eyes in those sit-down interviews in 97, I can't imagine what it must have been like to have worked all that time and finally get over to the point way beyond your hopes and dreams, only for an accident with a usually flawless worker to threaten it all, he basically risked his long term health in order to not let that ship sail away.

HMMM seems like there is a growing list of people that resent the Rock

Punk (he has been openly critical about him)
Cena ( there does seem to be some legit tention between them)
Ziggler ( he has made one or two comments about not been happy with the Rock)
Hornswaggle (went on a twitter rampage recently )
Del Rio (said he hoped Cena wins at WM and that he was more of a Cena fan than Rock fan)

Horswaggle? Odd comment from Del Rio as well, it almost seems like the boys are simply sticking together.

What is the worst match in WrestleMania history in your opinion? I guess mine would be the blindfold match at WrestleMania 7.

Triple H vs Randy Orton at WrestleMania 25 closely followed by Triple H vs Taker from last year.

 

[Wheels]

I don't know about worst match, but Orton/HHH at Wrestlemania 25 has to be one of the worst main-events in history. I watched it live. The booking didn't make sense, they weren't clicking at all. And after Taker/HBK and a decent world title triple-threat, it was pretty disappointing.

Weirdest stuff too. They hit each other with their finishers five minutes into match, only to kick out of them. Me and my friends were like, "What was the point of that?"

Yeah, that main event was horrible and I was actually looking forward to it beforehand. So disappointing.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

Goldberg vs Lesnar is still the worst/most disappointing WrestleMania Match I've seen.I remember nearly crying at how disappointed I was.

 

[The Chris]

And is it just me or is one problem with some of the wrestlemania title main events is that they just don't feel like WM main events, or at least how they should feel. They don't feel big. They don't feel like that's how it needed to be that year. To look at the two guys and say, those are the two biggest and best right now. Big time! Not sure if that's WWE's fault, or the wrestlers' fault, or both. The big matches have been grudge matches these days, like Rock/Cena, Taker/HBK, Taker/HHH. It's weird.

 

[Kane52630]

Goldberg vs Lesnar is still the worst/most disappointing WrestleMania Match I've seen.I remember nearly crying at how disappointed I was.

The ending made up some of it. I loved the crowd reaction though.

 

[The Chris]

Last years Main event was really bad too. I watched Wrestlemania XXVII recently, both me and my family were put to sleep until the Rock bottom happened. Everything was off about that match. Couldn't believe Miz as Cena, thought Cena's performance was lazy, they didn't mesh at all. I was angry during that match. Think I paid so much money for this garbage? This Mania needs to be good. I may not buy another if it's not.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

The ending made up some of it. I loved the crowd reaction though.

The Crowd reaction was great.t:

 

[Metallo]

As much as I hate to admit it, it looks increasingly like Bryan vs. Sheamus should open WM. They're two solid performers, but their match has the least story behind it (not including the divas match) so it makes the most ideal curtain jerker.

Either that or The IC title match. I'd rather it be the IC title match but if one world title has to go on first it should be the WHC match. They'll put on a great show to kick things off right.

What is the worst match in WrestleMania history in your opinion? I guess mine would be the blindfold match at WrestleMania 7.

If its just mens matches I say Cole vs Lawler...with Big Show vs Akebono, Taker vs Gonzales, and The Boogeyman Vs. Booker T and Sharmell all fighting for second.

If its worst match period then its got to be Sable vs Tori from WM15. Holy custerf***, Batman!

 

[Ryan]

I've been a fan since piper smashed snuka with a coconut so many years ago. The last big boom of wrestling for me was the attitude era. I'd probably say in the last 3 years (maybe more) I rarely watch wrestling anymore. I read the odd report, maybe watch a segment on youtube if it sounds good. However I actually have been watching the last 2-3 weeks of Raw mainly for the Rock segments and HHH-Taker-HBK show downs. While all eyes are supposed to be on rock vs cena, it looks like the Taker match has more of the fans' interest. Kinda reminds me of how andre vs hogan was supposed to be the main event, but we all still talk about the savage/steamboat match.
Personally I think the Rock has done great video segments but his in ring confrontations wit cena seemed a bit awkward. I'm not much of a Cena fan (I liked him better when he was getting stabbed by Carlito in the nightclub) but I thought he was doing the better job with the live 1 on 1's,until this week. While I loved the old "evil Cena rapper", why drudge that up now. It seemed forced, fake, and while that is what I intially liked about his character, its been so long that he's just not that guy anymore..(kinda like hogan doing the evil hogan routine in tna again..and again...). Just my 2 cents.