if they reboot batman which batman villain they should us?

[Boom]

How about Azrael and The Order of St. Dumas? Give us a good old Gothic/noir story with a religious cult.

 

[DrCosmic]

Riddler would be great for a detective story, and a Batman detective story is long long overdue, imho.

That said, there's some appeal to having people that haven't been used. Court of Owls with Jason Todd would be a heckuva comeback if done well.

I'd love to see a monster though. Like, Black Mask and Man-Bat could make for an awesome early Batman story.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Court of Owls is big enough to be a new League of Shadows. I mean, it can be the backbone for the whole new trilogy essentially. And you can rig there any other name villains, those who weren't used before. I'd love to see them do something with Azrael. Great source for a gothic story.

 

[Babillygunn]

Doesn't Batman Returns count?

That was a perhaps too subtle dig at the Returns version of Penguin.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Ah, gotcha

 

[80s Bullock]

Do people really want to see the Riddler? Gorshin's performance got integrated into 70s Joker. It's a little bit superfluous to me and I don't like those "clever" ideas like: "Oh let's make him an evil profiler working for the police". Nah, really, Riddler is not movie material.

Penguin? Perhaps. Make him nasty. But would he fly in today's leftist world? Isn't that fat-shaming?

Otherwise: Black Mask(80s), Hugo Strange, Two-Face (this time do it right, finally), Mad Hatter (but merge the two Hatters and keep that pedophile crap out of the movie, give him that backstory from the newspaper strip where is boss stuffs him with drugs to send him to an Asylum because he wanted to reveal the **** the company was doing), Ventriloquist (but not main villain), Man-Bat, Clayface (but only as a "thug", although I don't like turning traditional villains into "just" henchmen), Court of Owls, Crazy Quilt (no joke, not a bad character), Nocturna (try to get that work without coming of cheesy), Killer-Croc (why not have a gangwar).

Against: Poison Ivy, Mister Freeze, Red Hood, Catwoman

 

[Omegabat]

Villains that I personally hope we never see:
Court of Owls= An organization of jobbers with zero personality whose own creator ditched them after the first arc and in that they were killed by Bruce's brother except he's not Bruce's brother. The Bond film Spectre shows me that they should never be used. A good mystery isn't worth anything if the payoff is horrible.They were garbage in Gotham too.
Hush= Utterly dismal character
Red Hood=Enough is enough.
Azrael= 90's relic and not even a villain. He was created to mock other 90's anti-hero. If Nolan couldn't fit him in a quasi Knightfall adaptation then it says a lot about the character.
Any CGI rubbish like Man-Bat, Clayface, Croc. I'm just burnt out on these types in CBMs.

Villains that have been used but I wouldn't mind returning:
Scarecrow
Riddler
Penguin
Ivy
Freeze

Villains that haven't been used that I would like:
Deathstroke
Hugo Strange
Professor Pyg

Villains that should be rested:
Joker
Al Ghuls
Bane
Two-Face
Though Joker will be used obviously.

 

[metaphysician]

Do people really want to see the Riddler? Gorshin's performance got integrated into 70s Joker. It's a little bit superfluous to me and I don't like those "clever" ideas like: "Oh let's make him an evil profiler working for the police". Nah, really, Riddler is not movie material.

Here's the thing: most people asking for Riddler are *not* thinking Gorshin. They are thinking the Timm/Dini version of the character, or some of the comic portrayals at least partially inspired by such. This Riddler is not an inferior Joker clone. He's the mastermind on the other end of the telephone or computer screen, the one engaged in a literal battle of wits with the hero of the story. The best cinematic conparison would be Simon Gruber from Die Hard With A Vengeance, with both traps and obstacles the hero has to overcome, and a deeper scheme that must be deciphered to actually beat the villain.

( Only Batman presumably doesn't need to spend a bunch of hero points to have a clue drop into his lap, lest the villain just plain win. )

 

[80s Bullock]

Here's the thing: most people asking for Riddler are *not* thinking Gorshin. They are thinking the Timm/Dini version of the character, or some of the comic portrayals at least partially inspired by such. This Riddler is not an inferior Joker clone.

The modern Joker is influenced by Gorshin, not the other way 'round.

He's the mastermind on the other end of the telephone or computer screen, the one engaged in a literal battle of wits with the hero of the story. The best cinematic conparison would be Simon Gruber from Die Hard With A Vengeance, with both traps and obstacles the hero has to overcome, and a deeper scheme that must be deciphered to actually beat the villain.

That's an absolutely boring and generic take on the Riddler. People do NOT really want that, albeit they might believe it. Mastermind is also doubtful, in his original stories he was clever, but more of a cheater. The Riddler thinking of himself as some sort of genius is better than him being one. In his best portrayal (Gorshin) he was unhinged and in his best story he was possessed by a demon (Dark Knight, Dark City). I don't want a generic game-playing Riddler or information provider or whatever boring **** people come up to make him more "relevant". There's a reason why Denny O'Neil considered him a joke.

 

[Omegabat]

The modern Joker is influenced by Gorshin, not the other way 'round.



That's an absolutely boring and generic take on the Riddler. People do NOT really want that, albeit they might believe it. Mastermind is also doubtful, in his original stories he was clever, but more of a cheater. The Riddler thinking of himself as some sort of genius is better than him being one. In his best portrayal (Gorshin) he was unhinged and in his best story he was possessed by a demon (Dark Knight, Dark City). I don't want a generic game-playing Riddler or information provider or whatever boring **** people come up to make him more "relevant". There's a reason why Denny O'Neil considered him a joke.

Wait what? O'Neal considered him a joke.

 

[Boom]

Revised list (alphabetical order):

Azrael and the Order of St. Dumas
Clayface
Deacon Blackfire
Hugo Strange and the Monster Men
Hush
Mad Hatter
Mr. Freeze
Penguin
Poison Ivy
Professor Pyg
Riddler
Simon Hurt and the Black Glove
Solomon Grundy
Talon and the Court of Owls

 

[DrCosmic]

That's an absolutely boring and generic take on the Riddler. People do NOT really want that, albeit they might believe it. Mastermind is also doubtful, in his original stories he was clever, but more of a cheater. The Riddler thinking of himself as some sort of genius is better than him being one. In his best portrayal (Gorshin) he was unhinged and in his best story he was possessed by a demon (Dark Knight, Dark City). I don't want a generic game-playing Riddler or information provider or whatever boring **** people come up to make him more "relevant". There's a reason why Denny O'Neil considered him a joke.

Nah. Dini/Timm is definitely the best portrayal. It subverts the 'mastermind' with Batman's actual mastery in surprising and interesting ways. Regardless of how disinterested some are in him being relevant, there are relevant issues and criminology to be found in the digital world, and Riddler is the best character to adapt to those needs.

 

[80s Bullock]

Wait what? O'Neal considered him a joke.

The Question #26

 

[Lead Cenobite]

Doesn't Batman Returns count?

If Nolan's reinterpretations of Ra's Al Ghul and Bane count, so should Burton's Penguin.

 

[Herofan]

It's been enough time to have the Riddler again, a lot better, and Hugo Strange (and/or Scarecrow) could work well, be interestingly different. Mr. Freeze has potential but is probably a bit too strongly sci fi and though I like Poison Ivy she tends to be a bit goofy/OTT (not as much as in B&R but not that far off also) and so hard to take seriously.

Joker and Two-Face are probably, aside from Riddler, the obvious choices but probably too soon to have them, let alone them dominating a new series.

 

[Asr]

Mr. Freeze has potential but is probably a bit too strongly sci fi and though I like Poison Ivy she tends to be a bit goofy/OTT (not as much as in B&R but not that far off also) and so hard to take seriously.

I feel like Freeze or Ivy could work as long as the tone of a movie matched the tone of BTAS, where pretty much every villain was portrayed as a tragic character to an extent. Even in BTAS, Ivy had episodes that reflected somewhat on her psyche—like in the one where she captured a man to help "create" her own children. If there were a movie that explored Ivy's devotion to ecology, coupled with her descent into madness from not being able to have her own kids, for example—that could easily contribute at least 50% to a Batman movie that I would watch (the other 50% would have to come from another villain of course).

If Nolan had used either Freeze or Ivy, I have no doubt that he would've come up with a way for the audience to take them seriously, and I'd be open to them returning myself, if only for a more-accurate DCAU translation to live-action.

I'd also be open to these villains and would hope for versions at least somewhat faithful to the DCAU incarnations:
- Clayface
- Ventriloquist/Scarface
- Langstrom/Man-Bat
- Phantasm
- Penguin (as the "legitimate businessman")

 

[Boom]

After seeing Annihilation I kinda want to see Poison Ivy.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

If Nolan's reinterpretations of Ra's Al Ghul and Bane count, so should Burton's Penguin.

 

[superhero]

does any one watch gotham? i been watching it!! they got poison ivy in there now!! but it comes on thursdays at 8:00 pm on fox!!