If you could design the Smallville version of the Superman costume?

[Ultimate_Superman]

True but some rules can not be broken mainly how involve Lois and Clark can really be.

 

[AgentPat]

True but some rules can not be broken mainly how involve Lois and Clark can really be.

I agree in theory. The "rules" should be mythos-based and not Warner limitations. If you recall, when Lois was first brought onto the show, she wasn't allowed to meet Lex or kiss Clark, even in a dream sequence. They were adamant about that.

Yeah, well...

There were other restrictions with Lois too, particularly with her involvement at the DP. That will be changing as well come next season.

In another example, I remember reading DeKnight's comments on his blog about how they weren't allowed to have Jimmy Olsen on the show. Then BAM! The following week, Ashmore was announced as having been cast. I guess the point here is, there's no sense in debating what they say because the facts change on practically a daily basis.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

I agree in theory. The "rules" should be mythos-based and not Warner limitations. If you recall, when Lois was first brought onto the show, she wasn't allowed to meet Lex or kiss Clark, even in a dream sequence. They were adamant about that.

Yeah, well...

There were other restrictions with Lois too, particularly with her involvement at the DP. That will be changing as well come next season.

In another example, I remember reading DeKnight's comments on his blog about how they weren't allowed to have Jimmy Olsen on the show. Then BAM! The following week, Ashmore was announced as having been cast. I guess the point here is, there's no sense in debating what they say because the facts change on practically a daily basis.

True but some rules are because of McG movie and some rules come because of the one we have now so its all a matter of figuring out which rules go to which.

 

[SamuraiSon6]

yea i dont know so much about the rules...if there is a will there is a way, that seems to be how things go on the show so far

 

[Zorex]

Please, let's not argue about the rules that, really, we don't have much proof about. What we do know is that things change, things HAVE changed, and things will change. So there really isn't any point in arguing about what we will or will not see quite yet. Flight, certain character relations, Kryptonians...all were ruled against, and yet we got them.

 

[The Caped Knight]

If you could design the Smallville version of the Superman costume?

What would it kook like? Would you keep it classic or go you own way?

I'd stick with the CLASSIC . Because in the end nothing beats The red cape & boots and Blue tights .

 

[user123456789]

To be honest I would use McG Superman outfit which IMO is pretty nice.

lol that looks horrible

 

[avidreader]

I'd stick with the CLASSIC . Because in the end nothing beats The red cape & boots and Blue tights .

I agree with that absolutely. Its just the undies that I have a problem with. t:

 

[SamuraiSon6]

avidreader, i personally dont mind the undies, but ive been playing with a few pics trying to manip them so its all blue below the waist, purely for discussion in this thread, a problem i keep coming up with is the belt, what do you do with it, it kinda keeps looking out of place, do you lose it or redesign it similiar to McG...any thoughts, suggestions...

 

[Super Kal]

a Jim Lee styled suit except with darker colors and a very slight two toned cape ...

 

[SamuraiSon6]

here is a very quick manip, the problem when you remove the undies is that the belt looks very high, i tried to lower that as well to help the design. i personally like the undies, but want to spark discussion

 

[Superfreak]

i agree with you on everything below what i put in bold, but that in bold confuses me

you say that the ST suit is classic, then you say that "Classic costume" is Superman, any redesign to make it "cool' is ridiculous. i am just confused with you statement becaues isnt that what they did with SR, its like they said hey, lets make it darker so its cooler and not so childish or goofy, and the symbol is kinda big so make it smaller, we could also make the material kinda cool and high tech, so its not so halloween costume home-made looking...

please,i am not arguing, and im certainly not trying to bash SR either, sure it could have been better, but i liked it a lot, and i love anything Superman, i just was confused by your statement

IMO, the SR costume is a classic Superman costume. Yeah, some idiot fashion designer put there stupid spin on the costume... but it is still essentially, in all it's elements, a classic superman costume. It is still blue, it still has red boots, trunks and cape. The only real things they changed (if you can call it that) is the way that cape fits, the belt, and the shape of the trunks. The colour changes (the darkening) was inevitable, but remember that the colours were also adjusted in Lois and Clark (vs. STM)

yet, it is STILL and classic costume. Minor adjustments in the fit, and cut of the costume is pretty much irrelevant, because again, in the end, the costume ends up a classic costume. It's like comparing the Byrne Costume in the comics vs. Alex Ross's Costume in his comics. They are slightly different, yet, still obviously the classic costume. A more relevant live action comparision would be STM vs. Lois and Clark vs. SR. All the costumes are different, and have different cuts. The Capes are all attached differently, and the trunks are all different, yet they are all still classic Superman Costumes.





things I'm more concerned about are fans who want a full redesign or major changes to the costume.

this is not a superman costume (it may be a costume inspired by superman, but it is NOT a superman costume)

nor is this

nor this

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

IMO, the SR costume is a classic Superman costume. Yeah, some idiot fashion designer put there stupid spin on the costume... but it is still essentially, in all it's elements, a classic superman costume. It is still blue, it still has red boots, trunks and cape. The only real things they changed (if you can call it that) is the way that cape fits, the belt, and the shape of the trunks. The colour changes (the darkening) was inevitable, but remember that the colours were also adjusted in Lois and Clark (vs. STM)

yet, it is STILL and classic costume. Minor adjustments in the fit, and cut of the costume is pretty much irrelevant, because again, in the end, the costume ends up a classic costume. It's like comparing the Byrne Costume in the comics vs. Alex Ross's Costume in his comics. They are slightly different, yet, still obviously the classic costume. A more relevant live action comparision would be STM vs. Lois and Clark vs. SR. All the costumes are different, and have different cuts. The Capes are all attached differently, and the trunks are all different, yet they are all still classic Superman Costumes.





things I'm more concerned about are fans who want a full redesign or major changes to the costume.

Well to be fair the only thing about the outfit SR changed was the \S/ on the boots. I mean during the mid 40's Superman would sometimes have an \S/ on his belt as well but not shaped like the one SR did. But really if people want the classic outfit you are looking at Action Comics #1 outfit same if you want the classic Superman. What we have is the updated Superman outfit but the classic Superman outfit will always be the one shown in Action Comics #1.

 

[Super Kal]

Well to be fair the only thing about the outfit SR changed was the \S/ on the boots.

you forget the belt buckle, the neckline, and most of all, the colors.

I mean during the mid 40's Superman would sometimes have an \S/ on his belt as well but not shaped like the one SR did.

Superman never had a full blown emblem on his classic suit in the 40s... The only one that I know that exists from that time period is a painting that was done.

But really if people want the classic outfit you are looking at Action Comics #1 outfit same if you want the classic Superman. What we have is the updated Superman outfit but the classic Superman out with will always be the one shown in Action Comics #1.

actually, the classic look was established in the early/mid 50's


and I have to disagree with ya superfreak... the McG suit may be different in design, but it kicks so much more ass than the crap that we saw in SR.

 

[dark_b]

you forget the belt buckle, the neckline, and most of all, the colors.


Superman never had a full blown emblem on his classic suit in the 40s... The only one that I know that exists from that time period is a painting that was done.


actually, the classic look was established in the early/mid 50's


and I have to disagree with ya superfreak... the McG suit may be different in design, but it kicks so much more ass than the crap that we saw in SR.

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[Super Kal]

that's still a bit too dark even for me... this is more acceptable:



but this is beyond the point. Make it more like what we see in the comic books, and it'll be just fine.

 

[dark_b]

that's still a bit too dark even for me... this is more acceptable:



but this is beyond the point. Make it more like what we see in the comic books, and it'll be just fine.

well those are details my friend. you moved the slider in photoshop for 5 numers i guss.

and the difference that i see in those two pics is nto that one is darker than the other but one is more washed out.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well to be honest if you read Action Comics that is what you see in the comics now. Has been since OYL.

 

[dark_b]

that's still a bit too dark even for me... this is more acceptable:



but this is beyond the point. Make it more like what we see in the comic books, and it'll be just fine.

i am still wating for a pic of an amateur suit so that i can see how the comicbook suit would look in real life. or at least a photorealistic manip.

waiting.

 

[Superfreak]

you forget the belt buckle, the neckline, and most of all, the colors.


Superman never had a full blown emblem on his classic suit in the 40s... The only one that I know that exists from that time period is a painting that was done.


actually, the classic look was established in the early/mid 50's


and I have to disagree with ya superfreak... the McG suit may be different in design, but it kicks so much more ass than the crap that we saw in SR.

I disagree with you. The SR costume was a good adaptation of the classic costume. I'm not saying it was perfect (I dislike the belt and the fit of the trunks), but it is still essentially a classic costume. And as All Star pointed out, there have been variations on the costume since Action Comics 1... but the core of the costume has remained the same.

The costume you are advocating is fundamentally different from the Classic Superman Costume. It is more a costume 'inspired by' superman, rather than being THE actual superman costume. Maybe it's because I'm a conservative fan... or maybe it's for the reasons I mentioned earlier: That the superman costume is not supposed to be some super-cool space aged design with red shoulders and no trunks. It's not supposed to be cool at all. That's what the rest of the DC superheros are for.

Superman's costume should always be of the Classic design. The core of the costume should never be stylistically redesigned. It should always be blue spandex (or a modern equivalent of that), with red boots, trunks and Cape, and the shield on the front.

SR's redesign of the Classic Costume was a bit of a stretch, but it turned out alright. But I would definately not go any further than what they did in the movie:

The MCG costume, is a costume inspired by superman, but it is not a superman costume. Just like the eradicator costume, inspired by, but not the real thing. Just like the ultimate costume, inspired by, but not the real thing.

There is only one form that the Superman costume comes in that the entire population of the planet will firmly recognize as the true form of the superman costume...So I'm sorry KAKArot, the costume you advocate is crap IMO. It is not a superman costume. It is fundamentally way to different from the original, and doesn't fall into the category of greatness that the classic costume commands

 

[Super Kal]

i am still wating for a pic of an amateur suit so that i can see how the comicbook suit would look in real life. or at least a photorealistic manip.

waiting.

3 examples... all you've already seen before.

I disagree with you. The SR costume was a good adaptation of the classic costume. I'm not saying it was perfect (I dislike the belt and the fit of the trunks), but it is still essentially a classic costume. And as All Star pointed out, there have been variations on the costume since Action Comics 1... but the core of the costume has remained the same.

The costume you are advocating is fundamentally different from the Classic Superman Costume. It is more a costume 'inspired by' superman, rather than being THE actual superman costume. Maybe it's because I'm a conservative fan... or maybe it's for the reasons I mentioned earlier: That the superman costume is not supposed to be some super-cool space aged design with red shoulders and no trunks. It's not supposed to be cool at all. That's what the rest of the DC superheros are for.

Superman's costume should always be of the Classic design. The core of the costume should never be stylistically redesigned. It should always be blue spandex (or a modern equivalent of that), with red boots, trunks and Cape, and the shield on the front.

SR's redesign of the Classic Costume was a bit of a stretch, but it turned out alright. But I would definately not go any further than what they did in the movie:

The MCG costume, is a costume inspired by superman, but it is not a superman costume. Just like the eradicator costume, inspired by, but not the real thing. Just like the ultimate costume, inspired by, but not the real thing.

There is only one form that the Superman costume comes in that the entire population of the planet will firmly recognize as the true form of the superman costume... the costume you advocate is crap IMO. It is not a superman costume. It is fundamentally way to different from the original, and doesn't fall into the category of greatness that the classic costume commands

I can respect that, even though I disagree with it.

So I'm sorry KAKArot

next time, try saying it without insulting me, and I won't think of you as a complete idiot.

 

[Superfreak]

3 examples... all you've already seen before.




I can respect that, even though I disagree with it.


next time, try saying it without insulting me, and I won't think of you as a complete idiot.

sorry man, didn't mean to be insulting, I was just capitalizing your name, because it was a statement directed at you. I JUSt messed up typing because I was going to fast. It was not meant as an insult in any way.

But I hold ture to my opinion on fundamental redesigns of the costume. I don't think it's needed. What's needed, is a costume maker, to make a classic costume that fits properly. Take the SR costume... adjust the cape/neck attachement, and replace the tiny male stipper trunks with something with atleast the fit of a standard male speedo bathingsuit, and it's pretty much done. Maybe adjust the shild slightly, and whatever belt (doens't matter in the end, it's just a belt). Pretty simple for me to write it down... for some odd reason, idiots in the tv/movie business just can't seem to wrap their heads around such a simple concept.

Lastly, if this was a comic or a production sketch, like the above pics, I wouldn't really ahve a problem with redesigns, but when it comes to live action. Superman should be superman, and he should look exactly like superman.

 

[SamuraiSon6]

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you know what stands out to me most about this picture that didnt in SR, not the colors nor the symbol nor the neckline-its the muscle definition.

now again, im not bashing SR, just comparatively stating what i would want for smallville. unfortunantly, the SR suit made superman not look that ripped or muscular in most scenes, he either looked skinny or flabby, two things which superman is not, i dont blame this on Routh either, he is a big muscular guy buy all means and has a superman like body, so i blame it on the suit. obviously, real life is never as cut as a comic, but it would be nice to look at superman and think he is a super man.

 

[avidreader]

avidreader, i personally dont mind the undies, but ive been playing with a few pics trying to manip them so its all blue below the waist, purely for discussion in this thread, a problem i keep coming up with is the belt, what do you do with it, it kinda keeps looking out of place, do you lose it or redesign it similiar to McG...any thoughts, suggestions...

How does Batman wear his belt?

 

[SamuraiSon6]

^^high with trunks, but much lower without trunks

i dont know if you saw the manip i did above for you, it has no trunks and i lowered the belt to make it look more natural