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[gambitfire]

^deffinetley IMO one of the movies biggest flaws that caused a chain reaction and affected everything else i disliked about the film.

 

[Leon the Professional]

Well, X-MEN Last Stand won the award for biggest disappointment of the year over at joblo.com:

http://www.goldenschmoes.com/

It's nice to see that those of us who were disappointed with the movie aren't that crazy.

(FYI the award winners are voted on by people who visit the site, not chosen by the guys running the website)

 

[danoyse]

(FYI the award winners are voted on by people who visit the site, not chosen by the guys running the website)

With such prestigious categories as "Best T&A", I might add.

I loved The Departed, but it got wayyy too much love on that list. The one-take baby rescue in Children of Men was better than the construction sequence in Casino Royale (which was cool), and POTC2 did not have better visual effects than The Fountain.

Just sayin'.

 

[gambitfire]

Well that may be an opinion. But if you look at the complexity of making characters like Davy Jones crew and Whatever it is they did in The Fountain. I'm positive POTC2 was a bigger break through in the CG world.

I've had a couple of CG based discussion on the board, i'm studying Computer Animation so i hope people know what i'm talking about when i speak CG.

So yea i think POTC2 had much better VFX.

Anything done The Fountain that you consider to be better Danoyse?

Just curious.

 

[Leon the Professional]

With such prestigious categories as "Best T&A", I might add.

I loved The Departed, but it got wayyy too much love on that list. The one-take baby rescue in Children of Men was better than the construction sequence in Casino Royale (which was cool), and POTC2 did not have better visual effects than The Fountain.

Just sayin'.

Yeah but appreciating a fine female physique does not mean poor taste in movies. These same people did pick The Fountain for most underrated movie of the year. They just throw in a couple of categories like Best T&A that for fun.

 

[danoyse]

Yeah but appreciating a fine female physique does not mean poor taste in movies. These same people did pick The Fountain for most underrated movie of the year. They just throw in a couple of categories like Best T&A that for fun.

Hey, we're all human. It just sucked that you couldn't abstain from that one in the voting. I wound up choosing based on acting instead.

I love JoBlo, it's one of the better movie sites out there...but it's one I don't visit when I'm at work.

 

[danoyse]

Anything done The Fountain that you consider to be better Danoyse?

Just curious.

A lot of the space effects in the movie were used without CG, what they used were samples of bacteria being boiled under a microscope and made it part of the background...it's hard to explain (and I'm not explaining it well), but it was unbelievably different and beautiful.

POTC2 had a great effects too...but I liked The Fountain's better.

 

[X-Maniac]

X3 could've revolved solely around the Gifted storyline. That way the writers could've written Cyclops considering leaving the team temporarily after Jean's death(which is what happened in the comics), that way it wouldn't have been such a horrible deviation from the actual source material.

I agree that, in hindsight, this might possibly have been a better compromise in terms of respecting the source material. Keep Jean apparently dead and under the lake, have Cyclops leave, give more time to Angel and Beast and the new Brotherhood. If they'd wanted a crazy psycho-goddess mutant they could have introduced Mag's daughter Scarlet Witch (as she was in Evo) and his son Quicksilver, with Magneto freeing them from jail when he finds out where they are and that they are planning to test the cure on them. Callisto could have kept her mutant-sensing powers and enhanced strength, but not had the speed. I didn't mind Mystique being cured, but Rogue shouldn't have been. Then they could have done the Phoenix saga and Sentinels in a further movie, perhaps with Bryan or with some other director.

 

[gambitfire]

A lot of the space effects in the movie were used without CG, what they used were samples of bacteria being boiled under a microscope and made it part of the background...it's hard to explain (and I'm not explaining it well), but it was unbelievably different and beautiful.

POTC2 had a great effects too...but I liked The Fountain's better.

That's fine but those kind of effects have been around. They aren't really much new.

I understand why some people would like those better.

But just going on a hunch, those effects seem like the kind you look at and think ohhh shiny.

Meanwhile the POTC effects where not only new but almost groundbreaking in the CG industry.

Not too mention they are two very different kinds of effects. One's abstract while the other is an actual character which is much more difficult. The fact that they made it looks so realistic is what makes them in the eyes of many better.

 

[X-Maniac]

That's fine but those kind of effects have been around. They aren't really much new.

I understand why some people would like those better.

But just going on a hunch, those effects seem like the kind you look at and think ohhh shiny.

Meanwhile the POTC effects where not only new but almost groundbreaking in the CG industry.

Not too mention they are two very different kinds of effects. One's abstract while the other is an actual character which is much more difficult. The fact that they made it looks so realistic is what makes them in the eyes of many better.

So what did you think of X3's FX? I mean from a technical perspective, without taking into account any bias against the movie or what was happening in the scenes where the FX were used?

And what about the FX in the previous two X-movies and in Bryan's SR? Just curious where they stand on a technical level. I know people moaned about some of the FX in SR - something about his boots going all wobbly when he lands on the island and the photo-realistic CGI Superman looking artificial (I did notice the CGI Superman a few times, I regret to say).

EDIT: I also loved the FX in the Fountain. The nebula, the tree of life, had a mystical beauty. The shot of The Tree of Life in the water atop the pyramid is awesome but, like the X3 bridge scene, was shown before the movie all over the place, so it lost some of its wow factor.

 

[LadyVader]

The flying was perfect for me. The look, the speend, the wooooosh. Aaand... His freakin cape flapped!

 

[gambitfire]

So what did you think of X3's FX? I mean from a technical perspective, without taking into account any bias against the movie or what was happening in the scenes where the FX were used?

And what about the FX in the previous two X-movies and in Bryan's SR? Just curious where they stand on a technical level. I know people moaned about some of the FX in SR - something about his boots going all wobbly when he lands on the island and the photo-realistic CGI Superman looking artificial (I did notice the CGI Superman a few times, I regret to say).

As far as CG goes they didn't really do anything special except for maybe the demolecularisation (similar things have been done), the bridge (same), the phasing (same), and the full ice up (it was good but for what 2 seconds?! ).

Mystique's effect where pretty much the same.

Meanwhile SRs' problem IMO is the animation gave him off as fake. I think they got it good though, but it was still not photo real. Photo - real in motion is a b!tch to do. I have yet to see anything outside of gollum look almost perfect.

X1 and X2 had more VFX i think what with Jean and Scott's powers in display. Scott's looked better in X2. X3 didn't really have much to show for him. The fire in X2 was pretty dam good for it's time.

From what i understood though SR's VFX where more revolutionising Than X3s'. They where not perfect but that's because the industry is still improving. IMO SRs' had some spectacular CG moments more so than X3. Not being biased or anything it's just that most things in X3 have been seen before.

 

[danoyse]

That's fine but those kind of effects have been around. They aren't really much new.

I understand why some people would like those better.

But just going on a hunch, those effects seem like the kind you look at and think ohhh shiny.

See the movie. It was more than pretty...the way they did the Xibalba effects, and particularly in the final sequences, and the way it's woven throughout the story is just breathtaking. In the context of the story, it was far more impressive than sea creatures.

And I won't take anything away from Pirates...those were the best CG effects I'd ever seen.

 

[gambitfire]

^Will do as soon as i can.

 

[danoyse]

^Will do as soon as i can.

It's trippy, but it's really good. Sort of like 2001, only a love story. t:

 

[BMM]

X1 and X2 had more VFX i think what with Jean and Scott's powers in display. Scott's looked better in X2...

I agree. I like Cyclops' optic blasts in X2 the best. I also like the look of his powered-up eyes in X-Men better than when he takes off his glasses in The Last Stand.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Meh, just remember that someone on some thread made a crack at the C2 sig and therefore assumed that us Cyke fans wanted him to chew scenery like crazy and for Logan to get killed off in the first 10 seconds.

Actually, it would be pretty fitting irony considering how X3 played out, but the point I'm making is that it would seem that us wanting Cyclops to not get corpse-f***ed in the movieverse makes us crazed zealots.

Decided I'd push back and poke fun at said notion for a goof and figured this was the best place to suggest such a thing.

Since there's some heavy profiling going around anyway, might as well hold the banner high and proudly at that.

Spent a good 20 seconds coming up with it and will glady welcome any suggestion.

TLS - The Logan Show: X3-Sceptics United.

t: t: t:

 

[X-Maniac]

I agree. I like Cyclops' optic blasts in X2 the best. I also like the look of his powered-up eyes in X-Men better than when he takes off his glasses in The Last Stand.

Well, X3 didn't give us much Cyclops for comparison!

 

[X-Maniac]

As far as CG goes they didn't really do anything special except for maybe the demolecularisation (similar things have been done), the bridge (same), the phasing (same), and the full ice up (it was good but for what 2 seconds?! ).

Mystique's effect where pretty much the same.

Meanwhile SRs' problem IMO is the animation gave him off as fake. I think they got it good though, but it was still not photo real. Photo - real in motion is a b!tch to do. I have yet to see anything outside of gollum look almost perfect.

X1 and X2 had more VFX i think what with Jean and Scott's powers in display. Scott's looked better in X2. X3 didn't really have much to show for him. The fire in X2 was pretty dam good for it's time.

From what i understood though SR's VFX where more revolutionising Than X3s'. They where not perfect but that's because the industry is still improving. IMO SRs' had some spectacular CG moments more so than X3. Not being biased or anything it's just that most things in X3 have been seen before.

Interesting. You didn't mention Angel's flying in X3 (to me, the most realistic wings and winged flying I've seen, light years ahead of Constantine or Angels in America!), nor did you mention the de-ageing of Xavier and Magneto or Multiple Man's cloning...

Next question: What visual FX would you like to have seen? What innovative visuals were missing?

Surely, most weather phenomena have been done so that rules out innovation where Storm is concerned. And we've now seen ice, fire, eye-blasts, shockwaves, phasing, metalling up, healing, morphing, teleporting (another great effect in X2)... so that rules out most things in terms of powers!

There are a few things I could think of for Magneto that we haven't yet seen. Sadly, the stopping of bullets was done in Matrix, which is damned annoying, but I'd still like to see Magneto do it.

 

[BMM]

Well, X3 didn't give us much Cyclops for comparison!

Haha. I know, and I'm not trying to take a jab at it. Based on what we did see, I like what I saw in the previous installments better.

Interesting. You didn't mention Angel's flying in X3 (to me, the most realistic wings and winged flying I've seen, light years ahead of Constantine or Angels in America!), nor did you mention the de-ageing of Xavier and Magneto or Multiple Man's cloning...

I think Angel's winged flying is very nice, but I guess I've been spoiled by Buckbeak the hippogriff (who provided some of the nicest looking wings I have ever seen) in Harry Potter and The Prisoner of Azkaban... Actually, I believe the same company was used for The Last Stand. Regardless, yes, both are much better than Angels in America and Constantine.

Next question: What visual FX would you like to have seen? What innovative visuals were missing?

Two words: Phoenix Effect

... also a useful storm created by Storm... and just more creative uses of the powers in general... they all looked nice... but a lot of them had a “been there, done that” feel...

There are a few things I could think of for Magneto that we haven't yet seen. Sadly, the stopping of bullets was done in Matrix, which is damned annoying, but I'd still like to see Magneto do it.

Well, Jean kind of did the stopping of "bullets" a la The Matrix. In fact, that's the first thing of thought of when Jean telekinetically stopped the cure darts from hitting her.

Overall, I can't really fault any of the movies as far as visual effects are concerned.

 

[gambitfire]

Interesting. You didn't mention Angel's flying in X3 (to me, the most realistic wings and winged flying I've seen, light years ahead of Constantine or Angels in America!), nor did you mention the de-ageing of Xavier and Magneto or Multiple Man's cloning...

Next question: What visual FX would you like to have seen? What innovative visuals were missing?

Surely, most weather phenomena have been done so that rules out innovation where Storm is concerned. And we've now seen ice, fire, eye-blasts, shockwaves, phasing, metalling up, healing, morphing, teleporting (another great effect in X2)... so that rules out most things in terms of powers!

There are a few things I could think of for Magneto that we haven't yet seen. Sadly, the stopping of bullets was done in Matrix, which is damned annoying, but I'd still like to see Magneto do it.

My mistake i had forgotten about Angel's wings. I agree they where magnificent but with so little time they where seen i forgot them.

Also they don't have much to compare too considering you just pointed out all the other possible movies that show wings, Although IMO the Constantine wings where much cooler. I probably need to go back and see them.

MM's cloning didn't seem like a big deal. That can actually looks easy to do.

The de-aging effect wasn't that special to me either. I mean it was revolutionising but as of right now it's yesterday's news. Meanwhile POTC effects are still being talked about (CG industry anyways). I also found the effect to be rather jittery. It didn't look quite right. It looked a bit awkward. None the less it's still a very groundbreaking technique and will surely be seen and again and perfected upon.

I agree with BMM The Phoenix effect would of added greatly to the movie visual aspect.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

::Comes back in and relaxes on his chair enjoying the peaceful quiet domain of this thread:: Ah, feels good to have a thread where we can discuss with one another and not fight over petty issues.

You know, I was thinking about The Last Stand, and I began to wonder if it would've been a good idea to incorporate the Sentinels into the final battle? Or would you agree that it would be better to save them fot a future sequel?

I will say that all three films as a whole were wasted potential in terms of the Sentinels. Would've loved to have seen Singer's version of them infilitrating the Mansion, kidnapping children, and so forth. But all we're left with is our imagination what could've been amazing if Fox warranted it from the beginning.

Here's my proposal for an X4.

X4- Bring Cyclops back by having Mr. Sinister being the one that kidnapped him from Alkali Lake, have Rogue almost kill a boyfriend or Iceman after the cure wears off, and slowly introduce the concept of Apocalypse coming into the picture.

Of course, I'd bring back Colossus, Angel, Beast, Kitty, Multiple Man, Nightcrawler, and introduce Gambit or Forge as the new characters for the X-Men. I also mentioned bring Days of Future Past to the big screen as it's a unique concept and has a Terminator 2 kind of vibe for me, you know? So we're left with the Days of Future Past, Age of Apocalypse, or maybe the Muir Island Saga? So many possibilities and stories to adapt to a big screen format.

Anyone think Onslaught would be too complicated to bring forth as well?

 

[Goddessreicho]

I think X4 should bring back Cyke and have him and Storm fight over leadership. Maybe they could break into two different groups. I wouldn't mind seeing smaller villians or storylines that are broader and effect more than Jean and Scott. It would also bring out thier personalties and maybe force them to LOOK DEEP INSIDES THEMSELVES

No Hellfire, No Sinister.

Sentinels, Apocalypse (maybe depending on which storyline or maybe a brand new one), Trask, Mastermold, Nimrod, Days of Future Past, The Acolytes...

 

[La_She-Beast]

^I DEFINETELY want Sentinels. But like it was said before, the Transformers movie might affect that...

Haha. I know, and I'm not trying to take a jab at it. Based on what we did see, I like what I saw in the previous installments better.


I think Angel's winged flying is very nice, but I guess I've been spoiled by Buckbeak the hippogriff (who provided some of the nicest looking wings I have ever seen) in Harry Potter and The Prisoner of Azkaban... Actually, I believe the same company was used for The Last Stand. Regardless, yes, both are much better than Angels in America and Constantine.


Two words: Phoenix Effect

... also a useful storm created by Storm... and just more creative uses of the powers in general... they all looked nice... but a lot of them had a “been there, done that” feel...


Well, Jean kind of did the stopping of "bullets" a la The Matrix. In fact, that's the first thing of thought of when Jean telekinetically stopped the cure darts from hitting her.

Overall, I can't really fault any of the movies as far as visual effects are concerned.

Yup. Good eye The same designers

 

[CapBeerCino]

I agree. I like Cyclops' optic blasts in X2 the best. I also like the look of his powered-up eyes in X-Men better than when he takes off his glasses in The Last Stand.

Powered eyes did look better in X-2, but his blast in TLS was awesome! too bad there was only one of it

I think X4 should bring back Cyke and have him and Storm fight over leadership. Maybe they could break into two different groups.

That would be great! Sometimes it feels like Fox/Marvel don't have faith in their characters... Like they believe watching the x-men interact with one another will bore the viewers or something.