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[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well, to be fair, some of us (only a few it would seem over the past week, I'll give Nell that) only focused on bad storytelling, the villains being portrayed as ******ed f*** and the final showdown being anything but EPIC.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Well, to be fair, some of us (only a few it would seem over the past week, I'll give Nell that) only focused on bad storytelling, the villains being portrayed as ******ed f*** and the final showdown being anything but EPIC.

And for those few (and you were one of them), I commend you for giving me good argument, even when I disagreed.

For those of you who had real viewpoints to bring to the table, I thank you, for providing some good conversation, and some good points for me to think about.

For those of you who want to continue to obsess over mindless *****ing and whining, ntcrawler, theewheepeople, you can have it. I'm done.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

And for those few (and you were one of them), I commend you for giving me good argument, even when I disagreed.

For those of you who had real viewpoints to bring to the table, I thank you, for providing some good conversation, and some good points for me to think about.

For those of you who want to continue to obsess over mindless *****ing and whining, ntcrawler, theewheepeople, you can have it. I'm done.

Well Nell, i have not complained about anything to do with bridges or velocity's, i have complained about genuine things like Angel getting from NY to SF so quickly, and going from someone who was afraid of his mutancy to someone who couldnt live without it with NO explanation. As well as other things like poor story telling (Multiple Man: "I'm in!" for no ****ing reason), unimaginative and poor action scene's (did we really need to see Iceman and Pyro shooting at each other for 30 seconds? What ****e!) and an idiotic Magneto "I know i'll waste my WHOLe army before i start throwing these hundreds of cars beyond me which they will have no defense to." ******ed or what.

You are welcome to enjoying this movie, though i dont know how ANY X-fan could, me i think this movie is in the bottom 3 CB movies ever.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I've never complained about the length of the bridge either. I have said that Magneto could've dropped the bridge on the facility, but I never said anything about the length of the bridge nor about Wolverine being on the ceiling.

I've commented and added intelligent reasons about my dislike of this film.

All I'm saying is that those who enjoy the film feel as though they're insulted because people don't like it. But meh, I really don't care, I just enjoy talking with those who feel the same way as I do and listening to our suggestions as to what could've made it better.

This thread is stated "For those disappointed by the movie" right? So those who are disappointed have a right to post here, read arguments, and express their disappointment without those who like the film getting defensive, stressed out, and sad about it.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

OMG. So he actually was originally MEANT to look like an uncaring dick? Jesus...

I mean, the whole point of Cyke's character is that he's a stiff because he cares so damn much.

No, not really. It showed that a little boy didn't feel threatened by a mutant at all, while his mother was disgusted that he was acknowledging his presence. If anything that's more faithful to the theme of their struggle by wanting to be accepted and overcome prejudice.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

No, not really. It showed that a little boy didn't feel threatened by a mutant at all, while his mother was disgusted that he was acknowledging his presence. If anything that's more faithful to the theme of their struggle by wanting to be accepted and overcome prejudice.

The HE was Cyke. Read the previous posts.

Someone pointed out that the scene with the boy smiling wasn't even in the script.

Other than that, there's not much in the movie indicating that Cyke is obsessed about protecting anyone but Jean... That's what I was talking about.

P.S. And I meant stiff in the general sense (cause Cyke kinda is), not that one scene.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Oh please, its a common well known fact that all of these X-movies were a terrible farce. There were no to barely any redeemable factors in any of them. Less than ten ok delivered lines is not to be considered great when its surrounded by crappy dialog, stupid characters, worthless characters, terrible plots, jokes that just aren't funny, and an a**load of excuses.

Bland tv-worthy drama to mindless action all wrapped around annoyingly repetitive plots with the majority of the cast rendered pointless or useless is not what anyone paid for.

I know I didn't pay for horrible dialog, crappy and barely recognizable characterizations, watered down washed out cardboard "iconic" characters, machines that destroy the world, a Nightcrawler with no fuzz thats a polar opposite of his counter part (he was teased a joke not well liked and that was between the x-men, a plot device, cowering from people instead of being a people person...), a Cyke and Storm that are worthless and neither had a real chance to LEAD and lets not get into a lack of plot concerning them (being a killer fan of both it was like getting slapped twice), a Jean Grey with barely any personality who seemed...bored, Rogue who was just barely southern and barely any charm. All of these problems where do to writers and directors who hadn't any real familiarity with the source material.

And I hear "realism" one more time... Sure it's great. But that's absolutely no excuse to suck the X-men out of the X-MEN.

People are recognizing the flaws out of The Last Stand, well, I hate to break it to most, but alot of those character flaws were already there. At least TLS made no pretense about that.

Both Singer and Ratner have admitted that neither one knew much about them before taking the helm.

Well i hate to break it to you but X1 and X2 were well respected by critics and fans alike, were as X3 wasnt. X2 was voted the best CB movie ever in Empire and X3 never even made the top 20. X1 and X2 are both good movies, especially X2, but X3 was just ****.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well i hate to break it to you but X1 and X2 were well respected by critics and fans alike, were as X3 wasnt.

Dunno, me think all of us were just expecting so much worst, so they kinda got more praise than they actually deserved.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

The HE was Cyke. Read the previous posts.

Someone pointed out that the scene with the boy smiling wasn't even in the script.

Other than that, there's not much in the movie indicating that Cyke is obsessed about protecting anyone but Jean... That's what I was talking about.

P.S. And I meant stiff in the general sense (cause Cyke kinda is), not that one scene.

I know that. But you also have to consider that within the context of the film it was because the little boy wasn't threatened by Cyclops. Just my two cents.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

What AVEITWITHJAMON is saying is even though X1/X2 weren't 100% faithful adaptations of the X-Men, both films were and are well respected by hardcore comic book fans and critics.

I think that since the stories, the acting, and the theme were so good that it was hard to generally find fault or be angry with them. Granted I've read a lot of reviews from hardcore comic book fans ripping Singer, the film, Wolverine, and the depictions of Rogue, Sabretooth, and so forth to absolute shreds.

However, the majority of your comic book fans respect what Singer did and view his vision as a great vision for the X-Men. Ratner really didn't establish that epic emotion that made Singer's films so great.

As a whole the franchise was mishandled and wasn't allowed to reach it's full potential.

 

[BMM]

OMG. So he actually was originally MEANT to look like an uncaring dick? Jesus...

I mean, the whole point of Cyke's character is that he's a stiff because he cares so damn much.

No. That's not what he said. The orignial scene was never supposed to feature the little boy at all, which doesn't make Cyclops look any more or less caring. It's not as though the plan was to have the boy smile at Cyclops while Cyclops uncaringly ignored him and looked on at the train station schedule.

 

[thegameq]

Don't worry, Sunrise, this is one X3 lover who you won't have to worry about seeing post in here anymore.

You all can rip this movie to death amongst yourselves, without wanting to hear any kind of counter arguements all you want. It's obvious by the constant trend of going back to the thread title to try to force a different view out of this thread (and the forum) that you want to be blinded to any viewpoint that you don't share. You want to cover your eyes and ears, screaming "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" because you can't handle the fact that people actually enjoy this movie. Myself, The Guard, X-Maniac, and the other X3 "lovers" have done nothing to indicate that you are "wrong" for hating this movie. But you have to constantly resort to your thread title to try to make us look like the bad guys, in an attempt to make your side look like the vitctim, and to make us look "wrong".

You can all ***** and moan and groan about Wolverine's velocity going through the ceiling, or bridge lengths, or whatever other absurdities you want to reach for, as much as you want. If that's what you're going to ***** about, then you're not worth my time to debate. I value opinions that actually have logic and perspective and intelligence behind them. *****ing about metal cure darts, bridge lengths, why it didn't crumble, why the Brotherhood didn't get injured, and Wolverine's velocity while being tossed through a ceiling, do not reflect viewpoints based on logic, perspective, or intelligence, and are not viewpoints that I value. Since those are the only viewpoints that are expressed around here anymore, it is obvious that there is nothing left for me to debate. The X3 haters obviously have to grasp at straws now in every vain attempt to make X3 look like some horrible film, and anyone who likes it, some horrible member of the movie going audience that doesn't understand good filmmaking.

I'm tired of the people who hate this film being unable to come up with actual LOGICAL reasons for bashing this film. And I'm not going to let the absurdity of these arguements that gets passed off as "logic" ruin my enjoyment of this film. I got 3 great X-Men films, and that is something that none of you here can take away from me. So instead of hanging around here, tainting an excellent trilogy of my favorite fictional universe, it's probably best that I make my exit from these forums. The bickering is endless. The movie is almost 9 months old now, and the arguements are the same. Nothing is going to change around here, and any continuation of the arguements is pointless by now.

So don't worry, Sunrise, there's now one less X3 lover you have to worry about. Less opposition to your X3 hater love fest. You can all have your fun complaining about your bridge lengths and velocities amongst yourselves all you want with no interruption. Because that's obviously what you all want; no opposing viewpoint. It's made obvious by the constant referring to the thread title in an attempt to get any positive view of this movie out of the threads. You don't want positive viewpoints, and will do all that you can to eliminate it.

Well, this is one viewpoint that you've eliminated.

Luckily, I have my X-Men: The Last Stand DVD, and I can watch my beloved movie anytime I choose. So while you're *****ing about Wolverine's velocity going through a ceiling, I'll be enjoying an epic movie.

And the Oscar for best actor in a post goes to................Nell......

t: t: Forgive me, I simply couldn't resist.t: t:

 

[X-Maniac]

What AVEITWITHJAMON is saying is even though X1/X2 weren't 100% faithful adaptations of the X-Men, both films were and are well respected by hardcore comic book fans and critics.

I think that since the stories, the acting, and the theme were so good that it was hard to generally find fault or be angry with them. Granted I've read a lot of reviews from hardcore comic book fans ripping Singer, the film, Wolverine, and the depictions of Rogue, Sabretooth, and so forth to absolute shreds.

However, the majority of your comic book fans respect what Singer did and view his vision as a great vision for the X-Men. Ratner really didn't establish that epic emotion that made Singer's films so great.

As a whole the franchise was mishandled and wasn't allowed to reach it's full potential.

Those are understandable points. But you will find critics bashing X1 and X2 on RottenTomatoes though and it's interesting to read what they didn't like.

I don't think X1 really explored the potential impact of the Mutant Registration Act except through Magneto's fears of 'they'll have you in chains with a number burned into your foreheads.' What did the X-Men think? Where were their emotions on the issue? What did mutants in wider society think? How would/could mutants be registered (Sentinels?)?

Also, X2 (for me) lost some of the wider socio-political themes because it was about one man's bitterness. Although he wanted to destroy all mutants, it wasn't really a social crisis for much of the movie (apart from the president's speech at the end which did keep some immense social impact), it was a personal vendetta. We didn't see much of the crisis of mutants/humans being destroyed by Cerebro. In a way, it's a shame we didn't see Sentinels in this movie putting the registration act into place - that's the next logical step.

For any movie coming after X3, they have to have the registration act becoming law and Sentinels coming into being. (which is difficult after X3 left an ending with mutants being accepted by society). They also have to have mutants rising to power within society (Hellfire Club).

Sometimes i think about the things I believe are 'missing' (or wrong) in X3 - usually dialogue, explanation, connectivitiy, additional scenes. Then I think back to X1 and X2, where there were also some of those things missing, where things were also left to the imagination. Perhaps there was less 'missing' from the first two movies because they were less ambitious and there was less anticipation on them to deliver an epic climax. Bryan wasn't trying to keep dozens of plates spinning at once, he restrained and confined things... so maybe X3 is perceived as having too little of too many different things, that it lost its focus?

Films like The Fountain leave a lot to imagination and interpretation, and yet it seems to be well-liked on here even if it is publicly and critically disliked. And yet it's not okay for X3 to leave things open to interpretation and imagination. Is this because people believe X3 was not obviously doing so, but that the 'gaps' in it are due to incompetence (or rushing) and not a deliberate attempt to leave us to imagine things?

 

[the a1ant]

The idea of the 'mutant registration act' in the films is something I wish they would've explored more in the films. It was introduced, but sort of forgotten about overall.

 

[Goddessreicho]

Well i hate to break it to you but X1 and X2 were well respected by critics and fans alike, were as X3 wasnt. X2 was voted the best CB movie ever in Empire and X3 never even made the top 20. X1 and X2 are both good movies, especially X2, but X3 was just ****.

As of right now, people swear on all things holy that those movies were good. Looking back at reviews, fans sites, critics from six years ago from X1 and three years ago from X2, words said about those films were less than gracious.

Characters were underwritten and a director who didn't know the source material was handling it. Few people were impressed. Fans were insulted.

I just can't believe that Cyke fans are NOW complaining about his death. He died a long time ago.

I remember how alot of fans who saw X2 didn't understand the "liberties" that were taken with the God Loves story line, the villians, Jason's history, and yet they kept Cyke's role basically unchanged. Don't you guys remember the conspiracies that flew around then? Most believed he was going to die in the next sequal after the washed out writing and bad handling then.

I'm not even going to get into the other truly mishandled underwritten adult character... Which is kind of ironic since in a interview for Bravo Singer said that she was a mother, a symbol of will and femininity, and had human faults and fears. Was any of that shown outside of the tight white shirts and the scene of her bending over while teaching? Where was Storm's ultimate fear, or why it was there? Again instead of claustrophobia rendering her useless, the script (s) did. I find it amazing that he did alot of backpedaling about Halle and about the character in that interview.

The heart and mind of the X-men (Cyke and Storm) were turned into cancerous tumors that were pushed aside for a Xavier who slowly became incompetent, a Jean who sucked in other people's roles, and Wolverine who got his own Variety Hour.

Just because you liked it doesn't make it ok. As for that Empire list. Pfft. To think they put V, Spiderman 2, The Crow beneath X2 aught to tell you something.

And here's a big clue that those people who voted on that list are still clueless. Why is the Hulk on there, let alone ranked that high? Especially since it was a blockbuster and critical failure so much that even though its only three years old its going to be retconned?

If you want to trust that list, you go right ahead. I know what I saw, and it wasn't nearly good enough. Go ahead and jump on that bandwagon that heaps amounts of unwarranted praise on X2.

I'm still waiting for my favorite characters to be seen on screen.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

No. That's not what he said. The orignial scene was never supposed to feature the little boy at all, which doesn't make Cyclops look any more or less caring. It's not as though the plan was to have the boy smile at Cyclops while Cyclops uncaringly ignored him and looked on at the train station schedule.

I meant that Cyclops came off as somewhat of an uncaring stiff in the movie as a whole compared to Wolverine's 'honorable selfless samourai' overdone thingy. Not just that one scene.

Go ask casual moviegoers who never read a x-book.

All I was saying is that one of the few scenes making Cyclops look more humane wasn't originally supposed to be there.

You know, the whole 'Wolvie roxor and Cyclops suxor' thingy Fox had going on.

 

[Goddessreicho]

What AVEITWITHJAMON is saying is even though X1/X2 weren't 100% faithful adaptations of the X-Men, both films were and are well respected by hardcore comic book fans and critics.

I think that since the stories, the acting, and the theme were so good that it was hard to generally find fault or be angry with them. Granted I've read a lot of reviews from hardcore comic book fans ripping Singer, the film, Wolverine, and the depictions of Rogue, Sabretooth, and so forth to absolute shreds.

However, the majority of your comic book fans respect what Singer did and view his vision as a great vision for the X-Men. Ratner really didn't establish that epic emotion that made Singer's films so great.

As a whole the franchise was mishandled and wasn't allowed to reach it's full potential.

There's a difference between not being faithful and only getting half right. The other half is completely backwards.

Look at Storm and Nightcrawler for example. I'm not talking about Kurt's lack of fuzz. I more concerned with the self mutilation. Sure there's religious reason's for it, its totally counter productive of Kurt's ultimate which should have been to be accepted as he was. How was that productive in the long run? Kurt that I knew would never use "tatoos" to proclaim his faith for God. He was more into accepting people with their faults.

Storm...well it's like eating vegetarian chili without knowing it. Then asking, "where the hell is the meat?"

I feel as though they purposely took out the soul of the X-men and gave it Wolverine to make me empathize with him. (Sniff Sniff, I can't dry hump Jean's leg, she doesn't love me hard enough. I'm amnesiac. Feel sorry for me, cause I am the only one here with a terrible story to tell.) And what was left over was given to Rogue.

Surprise Surprise it didn't work.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

There's a difference between not being faithful and only getting half right. The other half is completely backwards.

They got the names and power rights. Well, for some mutants anyway. That's about it.

Look at Storm and Nightcrawler for example. I'm not talking about Kurt's lack of fuzz. I more concerned with the self mutilation. Sure there's religious reason's for it, its totally counter productive of Kurt's ultimate which should have been to be accepted as he was. How was that productive in the long run? Kurt that I knew would never use "tatoos" to proclaim his faith for God. He was more into accepting people with their faults.

THANK YOU.

People got all huffy when I pointed out how creepy it was to see Storm drool over a, I think I refered to him as a 'religious nutjob getting off on self-mutilation'. Bit over the top for the sake of theatrics, I know, but it's not exactly that far from what we saw in the flick, is it?

Storm...well it's like eating vegetarian chili without knowing it. Then asking, "where the hell is the meat?"

Me love your analogies. LOL.

I feel as though they purposely took out the soul of the X-men and gave it Wolverine to make me empathize with him. (Sniff Sniff, I can't dry hump Jean's leg, she doesn't love me hard enough. I'm amnesiac. Feel sorry for me, cause I am the only one here with a terrible story to tell.) And what was left over was given to Rogue.

Well, duh.

Didn't Singer keep babbling on about how he really liked those two and what they represented. Apparently, that's how you over-identify with characters and try to be subtle about it.

 

[Mike059jig]

I meant that Cyclops came off as somewhat of an uncaring stiff in the movie as a whole compared to Wolverine's 'honorable selfless samourai' overdone thingy. Not just that one scene.

Cyclops was uncaring and stiff.......around wolverine.............

 

[Mike059jig]

Those are understandable points. But you will find critics bashing X1 and X2 on RottenTomatoes though and it's interesting to read what they didn't like.

you will find few critics bashing X1 and X2 but the RT is still high 80s and you will find the same critics bashing X3.......

 

[Goddessreicho]

you will find few critics bashing X1 and X2 but the RT is still high 80s and you will find the same critics bashing X3.......

NO DUH! Do you think it has anything to do with the bad dialog, redundant scripts, crappy one-liners, sh***y characters, a casual disregard of basic knowledge of the source material (which both directors, head writers, and producers all admit to)...it's a painfully obvious pattern that is nothing to be proud of.

As I have said many times before, X3 brought to light many of the problems that were all ready there. I just think that most people don't want to believe it, or are downplaying it to have a scapegoat.

 

[Mike059jig]

NO DUH! Do you think it has anything to do with the bad dialog, redundant scripts, crappy one-liners, sh***y characters, a casual disregard of basic knowledge of the source material (which both directors, head writers, and producers all admit to)...it's a painfully obvious pattern that is nothing to be proud of.

As I have said many times before, X3 brought to light many of the problems that were all ready there. I just think that most people don't want to believe it, or are downplaying it to have a scapegoat.

You're right about those, X3 made the problems in the first two movies ten times worse.......and it shows in the reviews.....X3 problem didn't have much to do with the source material anyway...its was problems with the movie itself....

 

[AssMan]

I just can't believe that Cyke fans are NOW complaining about his death. He died a long time ago.

How is that any different then X-Men fans still doing the old & tired fans VS fans thing when the movies came out long ago ?

 

[gambitfire]

Don't worry, Sunrise, this is one X3 lover who you won't have to worry about seeing post in here anymore..

ROTFLMAO.

I'm sorry Nell but i love how this ^ was followed by this *looks down*.

You all can rip this movie to death amongst yourselves, without wanting to hear any kind of counter arguements all you want. It's obvious by the constant trend of going back to the thread title to try to force a different view out of this thread (and the forum) that you want to be blinded to any viewpoint that you don't share. You want to cover your eyes and ears, screaming "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" because you can't handle the fact that people actually enjoy this movie. Myself, The Guard, X-Maniac, and the other X3 "lovers" have done nothing to indicate that you are "wrong" for hating this movie. But you have to constantly resort to your thread title to try to make us look like the bad guys, in an attempt to make your side look like the vitctim, and to make us look "wrong".

You can all ***** and moan and groan about Wolverine's velocity going through the ceiling, or bridge lengths, or whatever other absurdities you want to reach for, as much as you want. If that's what you're going to ***** about, then you're not worth my time to debate. I value opinions that actually have logic and perspective and intelligence behind them. *****ing about metal cure darts, bridge lengths, why it didn't crumble, why the Brotherhood didn't get injured, and Wolverine's velocity while being tossed through a ceiling, do not reflect viewpoints based on logic, perspective, or intelligence, and are not viewpoints that I value. Since those are the only viewpoints that are expressed around here anymore, it is obvious that there is nothing left for me to debate. The X3 haters obviously have to grasp at straws now in every vain attempt to make X3 look like some horrible film, and anyone who likes it, some horrible member of the movie going audience that doesn't understand good filmmaking.

I'm tired of the people who hate this film being unable to come up with actual LOGICAL reasons for bashing this film. And I'm not going to let the absurdity of these arguements that gets passed off as "logic" ruin my enjoyment of this film. I got 3 great X-Men films, and that is something that none of you here can take away from me. So instead of hanging around here, tainting an excellent trilogy of my favorite fictional universe, it's probably best that I make my exit from these forums. The bickering is endless. The movie is almost 9 months old now, and the arguements are the same. Nothing is going to change around here, and any continuation of the arguements is pointless by now.

So don't worry, Sunrise, there's now one less X3 lover you have to worry about. Less opposition to your X3 hater love fest. You can all have your fun complaining about your bridge lengths and velocities amongst yourselves all you want with no interruption. Because that's obviously what you all want; no opposing viewpoint. It's made obvious by the constant referring to the thread title in an attempt to get any positive view of this movie out of the threads. You don't want positive viewpoints, and will do all that you can to eliminate it.

Well, this is one viewpoint that you've eliminated.

Luckily, I have my X-Men: The Last Stand DVD, and I can watch my beloved movie anytime I choose. So while you're *****ing about Wolverine's velocity going through a ceiling, I'll be enjoying an epic movie.

I think you going overboard. If something as meaningless as that kind of argument bothers you simply ignore whoever has that reasoning. Let them go at with X-maniac all they want. *looks around for X-Maniac*

...

*runs*

 

[gambitfire]

NO DUH! Do you think it has anything to do with the bad dialog, redundant scripts, crappy one-liners, sh***y characters, a casual disregard of basic knowledge of the source material (which both directors, head writers, and producers all admit to)...it's a painfully obvious pattern that is nothing to be proud of.

As I have said many times before, X3 brought to light many of the problems that were all ready there. I just think that most people don't want to believe it, or are downplaying it to have a scapegoat.

I disagree, although yes the problems where there.

You say it as if X3 was the only end result of what the previous movies set up.

It's pretty clear that you didn't like the previous movies, but it's unfair to tell those of us who did that they are the reason we got X3. Because plain and simply it's not.

You want a reason, look at the BS and studio politics that went on around X3's production.

X3 could of gone in another direction, one which seems likely you still would of hated, but not alot of us.

Just saying Goddess.