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[Loganbabe]

I like comicverse Wolvie. I've stated several times he cracks my top 5 fav X-Men. Movieverse Logan was, not only a joke, but he stole traits from other characters. The later is not 'insight', it's fact.

Yeah, I read this kind of thing all the time, even on comics boards...people say "No, I really like Wolverine!", but never have one interesting thing to say about the character. It´s difficult to believe in people who say they like Wolverine, but ridicule him at every chance they have.
I don´t care about Cyclops, so I leave the guy to his fans, the ones who really appreciate him. I don´t go on making post after post poking fun at the character because it makes me feel "cool", I prefer instead to talk about the one I like.
And movieverse Logan is a joke for you, maybe. Most X-Men fans agree that movieverse Wolverine is one of the best celluloid incarnations of a comic character. He wasn´t at his best in X3, but he was perfect in X1 and X2.
I also don´t see this "stole other character´s traits" as significant. Yeah, he shouted some orders at the end, what´s the big deal? It´s not like Logan suddenly started flying like Storm, using pompous words like Beast or reading minds. 99% of the time he acted very "loganish" to me.

Anyone being offended at Logan refered to as an 'obnoxious runt' is just too funny. It would be like Cyke fans throwing a fit were Cyke to be referred to as an 'emotionally stunted stiff'.

So try posting at the Cyclops thread, or any other thread here, refering to him only as the 'emotionally stunted stiff' character or Mr. Anal Retentive to see the kind of reaction you´ll get. It´ll be really interesting to test Cyke´s fans sense of humour.

Both 'insults' are essentially facts written in the very fabric of the marvelverse. You take the good with the bad. Geez.

So maybe you could start "insulting" you favorite character, for a change...
...because in Cyke´s case it only seems to be "take the good with the good". Not a fair game, is it?

 

[Loganbabe]

Ah but the difference is no one is bashing Logan. People are bashing the overexposure the character received.

I don´t care about you bashing Logan´s "overexposure" in X3; it´s not like you have another subject to talk about, anyway.
But to me, calling a character "obnoxius runt" on a daily basis is bashing.
Oh well, who knows? Maybe DarthCyclops will start refering to Cyke only as the 'emotionally stunted stiff' to balance things a little...

Logan babe, on the other hand, doesn't have that knowledge in terms of the comic books and how important they are in terms of the source material.

Really, Oh Great Master Of All Things Comicverse?
How can I go on living my life without such a stupendous knowledge?

I'm not saying she's stupid or worthless,

Oh, thank you Master!

but what I am saying is her view is very bias and she should pick up some comics, read them, and educate herself on the characters.

Such a brilliant advice could only come from a Master!

Well, I´d like to give you a small piece of advice too - maybe you should educate yourself on the way you treat people.

A. Why are you jumping all over Loganbabe for liking another character better? You made the same ridiculous and untrue accusations about me, and you've even apologized for it. There's no reason for you to start picking on someone else.

Thanks, danoyse. But as you can see, there´s no reasoning when a person is that arrogant.

 

[ntcrawler]

^^^ Sounds like it's on its way to be the most profitable bad movie ever. What sense are people supposed to make of that?

 

[Loganbabe]

good news indeed. Tomatometer at 57%. lol.

Really, Flavio, I never knew you hated the movie THAT much!
You used to be quite happy with the good box office X3 had in Brazil...

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

You’d need Storm to generate a hell of an upwards wind to stop a car thrown from a great height. This isn’t a viable suggestion.

Of course it is viable, we have recently had winds here that have blown huge trees, traffic lights, roof's of off huge buildings. And look how quickly she created winds in X1, it was simple for her, she would have no problem with this.

 

[Neptune]

Deep down every true X-fan hates the movie. Some lash out and make threads about why the movie sucked. Others go crazy till the point they think like the movie

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I don´t care about you bashing Logan´s "overexposure" in X3; it´s not like you have another subject to talk about, anyway.
But to me, calling a character "obnoxius runt" on a daily basis is bashing.
Oh well, who knows? Maybe DarthCyclops will start refering to Cyke only as the 'emotionally stunted stiff' to balance things a little...


Really, Oh Great Master Of All Things Comicverse?
How can I go on living my life without such a stupendous knowledge?


Oh, thank you Master!


Such a brilliant advice could only come from a Master!

Well, I´d like to give you a small piece of advice too - maybe you should educate yourself on the way you treat people.


Thanks, danoyse. But as you can see, there´s no reasoning when a person is that arrogant.

Don't confuse arrogance with someone who is basically explaining to you the importance of the comics. I am not saying you're stupid, worthless, or that because you love Logan that you are a fake X-Men fan. I am saying that your view is extremely biased and it's easy for you to say Logan got the best depiction, especially when he was made the star out of the franchise and was put in the spotlight.

Because of his overexposure other characters suffered. Rogue, Cyclops, Iceman, Angel, Storm, and so on and so forth suffered because of it. The comics show and importance of each character, comics that you clearly don't read or don't understand, and if you do read them, then more than likely it's the Wolverine solo comics as your view is more biased towards him.

As I said, I'm not a big fan of the character of Storm, but I'm not going to denounce her importance to the X-Men. There's more to the X-Men than Logan, there's more to the X-Men than Cyclops obviously. But Wolverine is not the one who should be exposed to John Cena's level of popularity.

I have seen people who don't know the comics and don't care about the comics, but voiced their disgust and displeasure over the death of Cyclops, the curing of Rogue, the lack of Angel, and how Jean stood around doing nothing the entire film. But hey, you like what you like, but in order for you to understand the importance of the source material you need to read it, educate yourself, and then come back to talk to us.

Until then you really have no right to tell us to stop whining or say we're bashing Logan. For ANYONE to get offended over someone saying "He is an obnoxious runt", in which it was said in JOKING WAY, then you definitely need some help over getting upset about someone joking about Logan.

I have seen Darth say the same jokes about Cyclops and people take them for what they are, which is jokes.

 

[Theweepeople]

There is a thread dedicated for those who liked the way Logan/Woverline was improperly potrayed in the X-Men films. It's called the "Official Hugh Jackman/Wolverine thread." Most people who post in this thread and the "If you don't like the movie post here" thread hate X3 and are tired of all the screentime that Wolverine got in the series. Anyone who reads the titles of these threads before posting messages about how great Logan is should realize this is antagonistic in this environment. If you can't take criticism of your commentaries then I suggest you put all the X3 haters on your ignore list or stop posting in these threads because most us of take pride in bashing X3 and the way Wolverine was potrayed.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'm merging the two complaint threads. They may have started out with different focuses, but they've become one and the same...and redundant.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Really, Flavio, I never knew you hated the movie THAT much!
You used to be quite happy with the good box office X3 had in Brazil...

I don't hate the movie that much. I've said numerous times, my relationship with it is a love/hate one. There are some parts of it that are great, and even the best scene of the entire trilogy. (although the movie as a whole just plain sucks). But I think that the movie getting such bad feedback from critics and general moviegoers may help if we ever get an X4. So that the powers-that-be could see that the right way to go was rather in the first two movies. There's a huge differnce between a 93% from X2 to a 57% to X3. It must mean something. I just hope that it actually has a meaning to said powers-that-be.

Would I want to see X3 on #1 in Brazil? Sure. It still got #4 and I was happy. I'm an X-men fan. But would I rather see X1 or X2 up there? For sure.

 

[LadyVader]

. But I think that the movie getting such bad feedback from critics and general moviegoers may help if we ever get an X4. So that the powers-that-be could see that the right way to go was rather in the first two movies. There's a huge differnce between a 93% from X2 to a 57% to X3. It must mean something.

There's also a big difference between 400 million and 460 million. From Fox's point of view the movie was a success. Who cares what the critics think. They don't pay anything to see movies anyway.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

There's also a big difference between 400 million and 460 million. From Fox's point of view the movie was a success. Who cares what the critics think. They don't pay anything to see movies anyway.

profits-wise it does make a difference. X3 made much less profit than the previous two. No wonder why FOX searched Singer to direct Wolverine or X4. (that's what the news say)

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

There's also a big difference between 400 million and 460 million. From Fox's point of view the movie was a success. Who cares what the critics think. They don't pay anything to see movies anyway.

Not when the budget was twice as big.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

There is a thread dedicated for those who liked the way Logan/Woverline was improperly potrayed in the X-Men films. It's called the "Official Hugh Jackman/Wolverine thread." Most people who post in this thread and the "If you don't like the movie post here" thread hate X3 and are tired of all the screentime that Wolverine got in the series. Anyone who reads the titles of these threads before posting messages about how great Logan is should realize this is antagonistic in this environment. If you can't take criticism of your commentaries then I suggest you put all the X3 haters on your ignore list or stop posting in these threads because most us of take pride in bashing X3 and the way Wolverine was potrayed.

Wolverine was portrayed faithfully in X1 and X2. I feel his screen time in both films wasn't cringe inducing or vomit inducing, you know? I actually felt for the character and was happy at how he was depicted. Granted other characters suffered because of him being the leading star and him taking screentime from other important characters.

But in essence the films X1 and X2 were so great(in my opinion) that I didn't feel robbed at any point. It's true I wanted more Cyclops, I wanted more Nightcrawler, and wanted the Sentinels in X2 or possibly at the beginning of X3. My complaints of X1 and X2 are still very much the same and hasn't changed since I've watched them, but however, when push comes to shove both films are great in quality and storytelling where Ratner fails in that department.

I remember in X2 there was supposed to be a scene in which Cyclops is talking to Angel in Stryker's prison. That would've been a perfect opportunity to explore his desires, explore his committment to the team, and so forth.

In order to portray Cyclops as more of a no-nonsense type of guy I would've had him stand up to Logan. Like for instance:

The scene that I provided could've immediately established him as the leader of the team and that no one attempts to bully him around. It's one of the reasons I find it frustrating to debate with Logan fanatics. I see them on Youtube all the time stating "I'm glad Scott died", "I don't care about Scott", "Scott is a boring character", or "Scott and Jean are boring, Logan and Jean is where it's at."

These are people who clearly don't have a grasp on the source material, and it's why I constantly say that they need to educate themselves, read the comics, watch the animated series, and see that there's more to the X-Men than Logan alone.

Here is the scene rewritten.

Logan- Cyclops right? ::Grabs him by the collar viciously:: Want to get out of my way?

Scott-::Looks down at his hands and with his finger tips be begins to push down his glasses:: I suggest that if you want to remain in one piece, you'll take your hands off of me. ::As he pushes down his sunglasses you see the optic beams preparing to be unleashed::

Logan- What'd did you say boy?

Scott- You heard me. ::Still pushing down his sunglasses with the optic beams preparing to come out at full force::

Logan- ::smirks, then proceeds to let him go::

Xavier- Both of you, stop it right now. Logan it's been 15 years since you've been wandering around not having an idea of who or where you came from.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yeah, I read this kind of thing all the time, even on comics boards...people say "No, I really like Wolverine!", but never have one interesting thing to say about the character. It´s difficult to believe in people who say they like Wolverine, but ridicule him at every chance they have.

Comicverse Wolvie. COMICVERSE WOLVIE!!!!!

I also don´t see this "stole other character´s traits" as significant.

Go ask Storm fans' opinion on that one about 'him barking orders not being a big deal'.

So try posting at the Cyclops thread, or any other thread here, refering to him only as the 'emotionally stunted stiff' character or Mr. Anal Retentive to see the kind of reaction you´ll get. It´ll be really interesting to test Cyke´s fans sense of humour.

You're on.

So maybe you could start "insulting" you favorite character, for a change...
...because in Cyke´s case it only seems to be "take the good with the good". Not a fair game, is it?

You do understand that most Cyclops fans love the guy because he is completely and utterly broken and yet he keeps picking himself up like a f****n cockroach, right??? Right?

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Here is the scene rewritten.

Logan- Cyclops right? ::Grabs him by the collar viciously:: Want to get out of my way?

Scott-::Looks down at his hands and with his finger tips be begins to push down his glasses:: I suggest that if you want to remain in one piece, you'll take your hands off of me. ::As he pushes down his sunglasses you see the optic beams preparing to be unleashed::

Logan- What'd did you say boy?

Scott- You heard me. ::Still pushing down his sunglasses with the optic beams preparing to come out at full force::

Logan- ::smirks, then proceeds to let him go::

Xavier- Both of you, stop it right now. Logan it's been 15 years since you've been wandering around not having an idea of who or where you came from.

Yup, pretty much how it should've went.

For some reason, the x-movies writers forgot that Cyke has no problem whatsoever blasting Logan to make a point.

Cause that's never happened... Oh, wait.

 

[kenxnice]

as a huge cyclop fans, the first 15 minutes of the movie - i was already turned off, the xmen movie most importantly should revolves around cyclops, for crying out loud, he is THE LEADER, friggin wolverine had more "make out" scene with jean grey than cyclops throughout the whole xmen series - that's rediculous

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

as a huge cyclop fans, the first 15 minutes of the movie - i was already turned off, the xmen movie most importantly should revolves around cyclops, for crying out loud, he is THE LEADER, friggin wolverine had more "make out" scene with jean grey than cyclops throughout the whole xmen series - that's rediculous

Indeed it is. And some of us have been mocking movieverse Jott from day one. It's not just you.

Welcome to the Hype.

 

[X-Maniac]

Of course it fits this particular scenario, and of course it would need to be a helluva wind generated very quickly at exceptional velocity. Just as it would need to be a helluva lot of rain to form the blue compact water column that rivals most waterfalls that serves as Storm's entirely unnatural "downpour/flashflood"... and you loved that. It's the same scenario that's been present since the character's inception; Storm quickly generating extreme weather in order to alleviate herself and her fellow teammates of a nearby threat. There's no difference between Storm's sudden narrowly focused and ridiculously condensed "rain," with the strength of a tidal wave as opposed to a sudden narrowly focused and ridiculously condensed vortex with the strength of an F3/F4 tornado (which could sufficiently relocate a house, let alone a car).


It's not as though Storm's powers are logical anyway. The woman's pupil's fade away, while electricity and lightning pour out of her eyes, hair, and fingertips, all the while maintaining her own personal jetstream to ride on.

This is not to say that the movie should have included such a scene or that it suffers because of a lack of one... but it is certainly possible within the confines of the character and her powers.

Of course it is viable, we have recently had winds here that have blown huge trees, traffic lights, roof's of off huge buildings. And look how quickly she created winds in X1, it was simple for her, she would have no problem with this.

Oh yes, it's certainly not totally impossible...and I'm first in line when it comes to depicting Storm as the powerful 'goddess' of the source material and when it comes to expanding her meteorological repertoire to include other phenomena.

But when we see her manipulate winds in the movies, it doesn't seem to happen rapidly enough to be a consideration against falling cars. We can observe her drawing down the blizzard from the sky before blowing it at Sabretooth in X1, we can see her drawing down the gust that carries Wolverine to the machine at the end of X1, we saw the air moving at first slowly within 'Dark Cerebro' when she created an arctic windstorm in X2. She hasn't been shown projecting winds as a 'rapid response' tactic. In the comics, of course, she has projected winds from her hands and it could have been interesting and exciting at the end of X3 to see Storm project a wall of wind or a horizontal or upward vortex (from one or both hands, or one from each hand) at the oncoming cars. But her power has been shown as more gradual, illustrating the manipulation of natural forces, the drawing down of elements from the skies, rather than manifesting them from nowhere. Lightning is her fast response strategy, and that is fair enough, as lightning and electricity travel much faster than the fastest winds would be capable of doing.

As for tornadoes, well she was much closer to the clouds from which the tornadoes descended when flying the X-jet in X2. On the ground at Alcatraz, she was considerably further from the sky and there was no cloud cover shown, so a tornado wouldn't seem like a rapid response option!

The comics have had her create a 'pressure dome' - an area of almost solidified air that deflected falling debris. A rather improbable scenario, though interesting!

In short, I agree it might have been a nice twist to see a wall of wind or vortex(es) projected at the falling cars, but I can also see why it wasn't an option that comes immediately to mind, given her movieverse power depictions. And we must all remember how Storm did nothing against a wall of dam water in X2 when she might easily have projected a wall of wind, or lifted the jet on a cushion of wind, at that point....

 

[gambitfire]

Don't confuse arrogance with someone who is basically explaining to you the importance of the comics. I am not saying you're stupid, worthless, or that because you love Logan that you are a fake X-Men fan. I am saying that your view is extremely biased and it's easy for you to say Logan got the best depiction, especially when he was made the star out of the franchise and was put in the spotlight.

Because of his overexposure other characters suffered. Rogue, Cyclops, Iceman, Angel, Storm, and so on and so forth suffered because of it. The comics show and importance of each character, comics that you clearly don't read or don't understand, and if you do read them, then more than likely it's the Wolverine solo comics as your view is more biased towards him.

As I said, I'm not a big fan of the character of Storm, but I'm not going to denounce her importance to the X-Men. There's more to the X-Men than Logan, there's more to the X-Men than Cyclops obviously. But Wolverine is not the one who should be exposed to John Cena's level of popularity.

I have seen people who don't know the comics and don't care about the comics, but voiced their disgust and displeasure over the death of Cyclops, the curing of Rogue, the lack of Angel, and how Jean stood around doing nothing the entire film. But hey, you like what you like, but in order for you to understand the importance of the source material you need to read it, educate yourself, and then come back to talk to us.

Until then you really have no right to tell us to stop whining or say we're bashing Logan. For ANYONE to get offended over someone saying "He is an obnoxious runt", in which it was said in JOKING WAY, then you definitely need some help over getting upset about someone joking about Logan.

I have seen Darth say the same jokes about Cyclops and people take them for what they are, which is jokes.

Well said.

 

[Loganbabe]

Don't confuse arrogance with someone who is basically explaining to you the importance of the comics.

But hey, you like what you like, but in order for you to understand the importance of the source material you need to read it, educate yourself, and then come back to talk to us.

If that´s not arrogance I don´t know what it is.
You are arrogant because you consider yourself better than some people, people you don´t even know! You have the nerve to tell me to "educate myself" when you don´t know me, you don´t know about my deep love for comics, which I consider a form of Art. And I´m not only talking about X-Men. I´m talking about Neil Gaiman, Alan Moore, "Love & Rockets", band dessiné, Milo Manara, "Little Nemo in Slumberland", Mafalda...
Talk about "education".
I read X-Men. It´s part of my "education". I´m not a X-geek, but I know the characters, know their motivations, their struggles. But I love Wolverine, and I consider him to be above any other X-character. Now, if you have issues with Wolverine fans, if you consider them lesser fans or stupid people who will never accept that Cyclops is a much better character, that´s you problem. The thing is, you´re assuming that because a person loves Wolverine more, said person knows s*** about the X-Men mythos, and that´s prejudice, plain and simple.
And you know what, you consider yourself a PhD in X-Men comics, but I´ve never read in any of your posts here any evidences of that. So maybe my knowledge of the comics is even better than yours. You never proved to me you have more X-Men background, so really, who are you to tell me to educate myself?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Oh yes, it's certainly not totally impossible...and I'm first in line when it comes to depicting Storm as the powerful 'goddess' of the source material and when it comes to expanding her meteorological repertoire to include other phenomena.

But when we see her manipulate winds in the movies, it doesn't seem to happen rapidly enough to be a consideration against falling cars. We can observe her drawing down the blizzard from the sky before blowing it at Sabretooth in X1, we can see her drawing down the gust that carries Wolverine to the machine at the end of X1, we saw the air moving at first slowly within 'Dark Cerebro' when she created an arctic windstorm in X2. She hasn't been shown projecting winds as a 'rapid response' tactic. In the comics, of course, she has projected winds from her hands and it could have been interesting and exciting at the end of X3 to see Storm project a wall of wind or a horizontal or upward vortex (from one or both hands, or one from each hand) at the oncoming cars. But her power has been shown as more gradual, illustrating the manipulation of natural forces, the drawing down of elements from the skies, rather than manifesting them from nowhere. Lightning is her fast response strategy, and that is fair enough, as lightning and electricity travel much faster than the fastest winds would be capable of doing.

As for tornadoes, well she was much closer to the clouds from which the tornadoes descended when flying the X-jet in X2. On the ground at Alcatraz, she was considerably further from the sky and there was no cloud cover shown, so a tornado wouldn't seem like a rapid response option!

The comics have had her create a 'pressure dome' - an area of almost solidified air that deflected falling debris. A rather improbable scenario, though interesting!

In short, I agree it might have been a nice twist to see a wall of wind or vortex(es) projected at the falling cars, but I can also see why it wasn't an option that comes immediately to mind, given her movieverse power depictions. And we must all remember how Storm did nothing against a wall of dam water in X2 when she might easily have projected a wall of wind, or lifted the jet on a cushion of wind, at that point....

What about the time in X1 were she rapidly produces winds against Toad? She did it easy enough then so i see no reason why she couldnt have done it in X3. Also, the thing about the end of X2 was, if Storm had created a gust of wind to lift the X-Jet, it just would have fell back into water afterwards. Thats why Jean was needed in that scene, she simultaneously telekineticly lifted the jet AND got the engines going again, something Storm couldnt have done.

 

[X-Maniac]

What about the time in X1 were she rapidly produces winds against Toad? She did it easy enough then so i see no reason why she couldnt have done it in X3. Also, the thing about the end of X2 was, if Storm had created a gust of wind to lift the X-Jet, it just would have fell back into water afterwards. Thats why Jean was needed in that scene, she simultaneously telekineticly lifted the jet AND got the engines going again, something Storm couldnt have done.

She was barely able to begin creating winds against Toad - don’t you remember how crap everyone says it was that she was so ineffective against him in the beginning. The air started moving slightly and that’s about it. Hardly at the speed and strength sufficient to hold back falling cars.

And, no, the jet wouldn’t have fallen back down into the water if it was on a cushion of wind. Only if she stopped the cushion iof wind, which she was hardly likely to do.

I don’t know why we’re even arguing this. Nothing you say will magically make her create a defence against those cars at the end of X3. Nothing you say will make her portrayal in all three movies any better. Bottom line is that these superpowered people sometimes fail to act in order to give suspense to the story and allow others their moment to shine. And that's the end of it.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

She was barely able to begin creating winds against Toad - don’t you remember how crap everyone says it was that she was so ineffective against him in the beginning. The air started moving slightly and that’s about it. Hardly at the speed and strength sufficient to hold back falling cars.

It took her what? 10-20 seconds to make winds that blew Toad out of the building through some glass doors that were likely locked? Thats not long, so i imagine it take her no longer than 10 more seconds to create a stronger wind.

And, no, the jet wouldn’t have fallen back down into the water if it was on a cushion of wind. Only if she stopped the cushion iof wind, which she was hardly likely to do.

She would have had to stop the gust of wind to get back into jet surely, at which time it would have fell back down.

I don’t know why we’re even arguing this. Nothing you say will magically make her create a defence against those cars at the end of X3. Nothing you say will make her portrayal in all three movies any better. Bottom line is that these superpowered people sometimes fail to act in order to give suspense to the story and allow others their moment to shine. And that's the end of it.

Were arguing this because you asked to come up with something better than the movie, which IMO i did, wasnt hard of course. And were arguing this because i just wont swallow any **** they give us as an X-Men movie, not trash like X3 especially.

 

[X-Maniac]

It took her what? 10-20 seconds to make winds that blew Toad out of the building through some glass doors that were likely locked? Thats not long, so i imagine it take her no longer than 10 more seconds to create a stronger wind..

I see. I thought you meant the earlier part when she gestured as though creating a wind before he flung her up on to the balcony area with his tongue. Still, 10-20 seconds is a long time when a car is falling on your head.

She would have had to stop the gust of wind to get back into jet surely, at which time it would have fell back down...

I meant creating one while inside the jet. She can do that, as she did when she created tornadoes while flying the plane.

Were arguing this because you asked to come up with something better than the movie, which IMO i did, wasnt hard of course. And were arguing this because i just wont swallow any **** they give us as an X-Men movie, not trash like X3 especially.

Right. Well, i was pointing out that her inaction at the end of X2 is similar to her inaction at the end of X3, in that it was done to allow others to have their moment. Although I agree her part in the Alcatraz scenes could have been better. Let's hope we get a better script next time, if there is a next time - we agree on that, I am sure.

What makes me laugh more than anything is that the same haters who moan about the amount of action, number of explosions and the amount of Storm/Halle screentime in X3 are the same ones who want Magneto to go around exploding steel-framed buildings and who want Storm to go round firing lightning and windstorms even more than we already saw!