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[The Guard]

If I ever saw Cyclops make an uninterrupted speech THAT long in a film, I think I'd vomit. I mean, I like it when Cyclops talks, too, but not THAT much.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

My girlfriend showed me the Beast deleted scene with him reciting Shakespeare. I am quite glad they removed that scene as it was pretty horrible.

As a whole the film was horrible, but damn, is this what a rushed script produces?

 

[Theweepeople]

My girlfriend showed me the Beast deleted scene with him reciting Shakespeare. I am quite glad they removed that scene as it was pretty horrible.

As a whole the film was horrible, but damn, is this what a rushed script produces?

I've also seen that scene and admit that it was cringeful to watch. However, I thought Beasts dialogue with Wolverine while they were fighting on Al-catraz was also pretty bad. In fact I can barely remember anything that Beast said because I was distracted by the awful looking wirework.

 

[La_She-Beast]

My girlfriend showed me the Beast deleted scene with him reciting Shakespeare. I am quite glad they removed that scene as it was pretty horrible.

I laughed so much. WTH they were thinking? Everyone stares at him "Rrrrright..." I also hated the "speaking while fighting" scene

Btw, where's that clip in which he's saying "We'll kill all of them. Zak Penn, etc"?

 

[X-Maniac]

I have a problem with films that break rules that were previously established:

Even if those 'rules' themselves defy science and logic????? Sounds a bit crazy to me. This then becomes your personal preference and not anything scientifically based.

In Star Wars and Star Trek the motion picture the rule of soundwaves being present in space was established. This rule was never broken during those series.

It was never 'established' as a 'rule', it's just always been shown that way, for dramatic impact. Even though it's rubbish in scientific terms. So you can accept scientific crap if it's always there - how then did the scientific 'rules' change in X3??? How odd that crap is okay if consistent, in your strange world.

In Terminator 1 the rule for the possibility of time travel was established and this rule was never broken during the series. This was a horrible example for whatever you are trying to prove.

I mean that the time travel is always convenient and often not to the place/person that would be the most direct target. Not to mention that the Novikov self-consistency principle rules out most of this 'time-travelling to alter events' stuff

The Superman Returns example is a horrible example since this nitpick has nothing to do with science. Overall I would like to read the book to see how that part of the storyline developed before I make a judgement. An explanation for how Luther successfully swindled money away would have made a movie that was at already 15 minutes too long 20 minutes longer!!!

I'm not just talking about science, i'm talking about logic and the application of common-sense. The novelisation has nothing to do with it. It's quite improbable that the world's greatest criminal mind (Lex Luthor) would get his hands on the Vanderworth fortune without challenge. Of course, some newspaper headlines could have solved that - that might have given purpose to Clark's time at the farm if we saw him see headlines stating 'Lex Luthor freed - Superman fails to turn up for appeal', 'Luthor inherits billions - family fail in legal bid to claim fortune.' Simple, but they never did it, thus leaving a hole. You only have to be aware of the Anna Nicole Smith case to see how improbable the movie scenario is - the family would sue, the assets would be frozen for years during court battles, it's highly unlikely Lex would get the money given that he's a known criminal mastermind.

Since when did James Bond become science fiction? I have never taken action flicks as seriously as science fiction movies. James Bond is and will always be popcorn flick movies for me. They are enjoyable popcorn flicks but, they are what they are. I enjoy action movie series like Die Hard and Leather Weapon because I have a different mindset when I watch them.

Who cares if James Bond is sci-fi or not. That's a silly 'red herrring'. James Bond contains many elements of sci-fi with the doomsday machines and gadgets like invisible cars etc. We're talking logic here. And the logic of what I described previously. I'm also bemused that your mindset alters when watching action movies. So, as soon as something is obviously 'sci-fi. a part of your brain awakens and begins critical analysis of whether what you see is consistent with any previous movies in the franchise, but if anything isn't obviously 'sci-fi' (but may contain sci-fi material) that part of your mind shuts down and you go into popcorn mode?

What this says is that this is all about you and your perceptions and viewing adjustments, not about the movies. And I don't like everything in X3 - but it certainly isn't your personalised 'scientific rules' of consistency that are its problem.

 

[CapBeerCino]

Kelsey was actually gigling in about every interview lol

What interviews?

Btw, where's that clip in which he's saying "We'll kill all of them. Zak Penn, etc"?

What clip?

 

[La_She-Beast]

What interviews?

The ones from the making ofs-

the clip (sorry, I didn't explain myself clearly) I'm refering to is like a .gif document... there's no sound and the text's below, saying things such as "And then Kinberg, and blah, blah"

 

[CapBeerCino]

Links?

 

[La_She-Beast]

Nope, sorry, you have to buy the DVD
Here, have some fun with this (the real Beast!!!!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es-B5cUN4K0

:P

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Jesus the deleted scene of Sheakspeare is horrendously funny, in a creepy way.

I also love the gif. It's genious.

 

[Loganbabe]

The three most important X-Men are Xavier, Cyclops and Storm. Hands down. It's not even a fair fight or anything.

That´s not a fact, only an opinion. You could spend years discussing "the most important X-Men" with other fans and never come to a conclusion.
So why this attitude "It is because I say so"?
That´s the arrogant thing I´m talking about. I´d put Wolverine, Nightcrawler and Jean exactly on the same level as the three you mentioned. But that´s only my opinion, and if some other fans agree, so be it. You can´t come here and impose for millions of fans your opinions as facts.

This isn't about whether they're the most popular, my fav, the best at kicking a$$ or even the one people can relate to the most. The fact that those three have been the core of the X-Men universe as leaders and torchbearers of the dream is pretty much fact.

I think it´s really funny that the ones considered to be "the core" of the X-Men should be the so-called "leaders", Storm, Cyclops and Xavier. What´s that strange fascination people have with "leaders"? There are so many other X-Men characters who carry on the ideology without ever dreaming of being leaders. And those are the ones I really find fascinating.

And yet they're arguably the three that get screwed the worst in the X-movies. Cause Fox wanted us to relate to Wolvie.

And why would Fox want people to relate to Wolvie? What part of the evil "Wolverine Conspiracy" I didn´t get yet?

I love comicverse Logan. Still, as popular as he is, he never was more than a glorified supporting character. Make that supporting muscle. I don't recall him carrying the dream on his shoulders or anything. And that's pretty much what he's doing in X3.

Yeah, a "supporting character" who has had his own book for ages. A "supporting character" who already had his own book YEARS before the first movie was conceived. What were those crazy Fox guys thinking, giving to a mere "supporting character" the main role in a franchise...that would be a first.
And by saying he´s only "supporting muscle", I guess you´re saying he´s downright stupid. Well, it´s not the first time I see Wolverine being refered as nothing more than a dumb attack dog.
Sorry, I don´t see how can you "love" comicverse Logan if that´s the only way you perceive him. Logan is so much more than "muscle" to the X-Men. He´s not some dog that jumps when Cyke says "Attack!"
If you love him because of that I´d much rather see you hating him instead.

 

[gambitfire]

Not speaking directly to anyone but it is a fact that Cyclops has stood by Xaviers dream more than any other X-men. That can very well qualify him as one of the most important X-Men. Some call it an opinion which X-Men are more important, but unless it can be backed up as thoughroughly as a character like Cyke's background would be, then as an opinion it holds little grounds.

Oh and i don't recall Logan's solo series really dealing with Wolverine standing up to Xavier's dreams, but more about his own personal agendas. "The Mystery of his past".

 

[LadyVader]

That´s not a fact, only an opinion. You could spend years discussing "the most important X-Men" with other fans and never come to a conclusion.
So why this attitude "It is because I say so"?
That´s the arrogant thing I´m talking about. I´d put Wolverine, Nightcrawler and Jean exactly on the same level as the three you mentioned. But that´s only my opinion, and if some other fans agree, so be it. You can´t come here and impose for millions of fans your opinions as facts.

Well Wolverine wasn't EXACTLY on the same level as the other 5 since he hogged all the attention. And don't act like you're not trying to impose your opinion that Wolverine deserves that attention when everybody can pretty much agree that he's overrated

I think it´s really funny that the ones considered to be "the core" of the X-Men should be the so-called "leaders", Storm, Cyclops and Xavier. What´s that strange fascination people have with "leaders"? There are so many other X-Men characters who carry on the ideology without ever dreaming of being leaders. And those are the ones I really find fascinating.

Leaders deserves to be admired. They are the ones who carry the responsability for lives. It's easy to dedicate yourself to a cause when all you have to worry about is yourself. It takes way more courage and strength of character to know that you have people depending on you. To know that if you make a mistake, people die.
And why would Fox want people to relate to Wolvie? What part of the evil "Wolverine Conspiracy" I didn´t get yet?

Let me simplify it for you. Wolverine = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Yeah, a "supporting character" who has had his own book for ages. A "supporting character" who already had his own book YEARS before the first movie was conceived. What were those crazy Fox guys thinking, giving to a mere "supporting character" the main role in a franchise...that would be a first.

I reiterate. Wolverine = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

And by saying he´s only "supporting muscle", I guess you´re saying he´s downright stupid. Well, it´s not the first time I see Wolverine being refered as nothing more than a dumb attack dog.

oh. He's not a dumb attack dog! He's an attack dog, without memory. You do the math.

Sorry, I don´t see how can you "love" comicverse Logan if that´s the only way you perceive him. Logan is so much more than "muscle" to the X-Men. He´s not some dog that jumps when Cyke says "Attack!"
If you love him because of that I´d much rather see you hating him instead.

Why thank you. We live for your aprooval.

 

[gambitfire]

*looks up*

.......

*giggles*

 

[Loganbabe]

Well Wolverine wasn't EXACTLY on the same level as the other 5 since he hogged all the attention.

I was talking about the characters in the comics, not the movies.
And, uh...I wasn´t really talking to you in the first place.
Oh okay, maybe you need to talk to someone who isn´t on the same "IhateFoxIhateX3IhateWolverine" bandwagon, so let´s go..

And don't act like you're not trying to impose your opinion that Wolverine deserves that attention when everybody can pretty much agree that he's overrated

Who´s "everybody"? (Ah, again the generalizations...)
Let´s see...the guys who post on the "I hate the movie" and "Cyclops" threads...yeah, that´s pretty much it. A lot of people never had any problems with that supposed "Wolverine excess".
And I´m not imposing anything. I never said the other characters didn´t deserve attention. The thing is, it was decided from day one (by FOX? Marvel? Bryan Singer? Certainly not by me...) that Wolverine would be the main character. It wasn´t some sordid conspiracy - only that he was one of the most known X-Men. If you hate him or think he doesn´t deserve the honor, that´s another story.

Let me simplify it for you. Wolverine = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Oh yes. Because, like all the other business enterprises in the world, Fox and Marvel LOVE losing money.
Let me simplify it, too. Wolverine = $$$$$$$$$ X-Men = $$$$$$$$$$$$$ Spider-Man = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Batman = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Superman = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and so on...
Wolverine is an interesting character, therefore people are interested in him, therefore he makes money. The same happens with EVERYTHING people find interesting. Why this hypocrisy?

oh. He's not a dumb attack dog! He's an attack dog, without memory. You do the math.

Uh?!
What his lack of memory has to do with the fact that some people think he´s an attack dog simply because they don´t know the character well enough?

Why thank you. We live for your aprooval.

My pleasure.

 

[LadyVader]

I was talking about the characters in the comics, not the movies.
And, uh...I wasn´t really talking to you in the first place.
Oh okay, maybe you need to talk to someone who isn´t on the same "IhateFoxIhateX3IhateWolverine" bandwagon, so let´s go..

I don't hate Fox, although I do hate their methods. I don't hate X3, I loathe it, and I don't hate Wolverine although I do hate how he is constantly shoved into our faces.

Who´s "everybody"? (Ah, again the generalizations...)
Let´s see...the guys who post on the "I hate the movie" and "Cyclops" threads...yeah, that´s pretty much it. A lot of people never had any problems with that supposed "Wolverine excess".
Neither did I until Wolverine showed up in the New Avengers.

And I´m not imposing anything. I never said the other characters didn´t deserve attention. The thing is, it was decided from day one (by FOX? Marvel? Bryan Singer? Certainly not by me...) that Wolverine would be the main character. It wasn´t some sordid conspiracy - only that he was one of the most known X-Men. If you hate him or think he doesn´t deserve the honor, that´s another story.

Oh yes. Because, like all the other business enterprises in the world, Fox and Marvel LOVE losing money.
Let me simplify it, too. Wolverine = $$$$$$$$$ X-Men = $$$$$$$$$$$$$ Spider-Man = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Batman = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Superman = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and so on...

the difference between those three franchises is that the people making Spiderman, batman and Superman know where the real money is. The long time fans of the comic books. The ones who poured their time and their money and their emotions in these franchises. They are the ones who are gonna see the movie 20 times in the theater, they are the ones who are gonna buy the dvd's and the merchandise and in pour their allowances and such into the industry.

Not the people who have never heard of X-men up until the movie and like how Wolverine slices and dices. Sure, their money is just as good, but in the long run it's not lucrative to depend on them, like X3 has done.

This is pure speculation on my part, but I think if X3 had been a bit more faithful to the comic books and bit toned down on the Wolverine love it would've definetely been better received and made more money.

Wolverine is an interesting character, therefore people are interested in him, therefore he makes money. The same happens with EVERYTHING people find interesting. Why this hypocrisy?

How are we being hypocritical? We know that Wolverine is bankable, we just resent the fact the story quality has to suffer because of it, more than it already has to suffer as part of the transition to the silver screen.

Uh?!
What his lack of memory has to do with the fact that some people think he´s an attack dog simply because they don´t know the character well enough?

I was making a joke. You know, like Wolverine does from time to time, which makes him SO interesting.

My pleasure.

 

[gambitfire]

^Will you marry me?

 

[LadyVader]

Tempting but no.

 

[X-Maniac]

I don't 'loathe' X3 (parts of it disappoint me though) but I do loathe the politics of moviemaking and Fox's methods. I agree Wolverine was overexposed in the movies (there was a better balance in the cartoons and comics). Two scenes with Wolverine in X3 bothered me most - weeping over Xavier's chair and giving the speech before they flew to Alcatraz. I also think Cyclops should have been featured more and had a part in final battle.

 

[TKing]

^ Agreed. But what's done is done and we can't change it, so why do some people still feel the need to ***** about the movie even today?

 

[gambitfire]

^the same reason you feel the need to make any comment what so ever.

Because we do and we can.

Or is voicing our opinion offending you personally somehow?

 

[gambitfire]

Tempting but no.

It's ok.

 

[Neptune]

^ Agreed. But what's done is done and we can't change it, so why do some people still feel the need to ***** about the movie even today?

Because they are hardcore X-men fans who love the X-men universe. I don't think people will b****ing about this movie forever but i understand why some are still angry and frustrated. I had been waiting for this movie way too long, expected way too much and it was a complete disapointment. It's hard to except it when you love X-men so much.

 

[TKing]

Or is voicing our opinion offending you personally somehow?

No, but if you want to spend the rest of your days on SHH complaining about this movie, be my guest.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Because they are hardcore X-men fans who love the X-men universe. I don't think people will b****ing about this movie forever but i understand why some are still angry and frustrated. I had been waiting for this movie way too long, expected way too much and it was a complete disapointment. It's hard to except it when you love X-men so much.

yeah, I think those were the longest three X-men-related-years from 2003 to 2006. The cliffhanger by the end of X2 drove me crazy about X3. Unfortunately, the wait wasn''t that worthy.