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[Theweepeople]

Sean f****n Penn!!! The eyes of a violent caged animaaaalll!!! t:

We get Supes cause we're both from the STREETS!! t:

Who the f**k is Kal-El? And Krypton's where he's from, right? t:

I don't wanna see him in that suit, nor fly, and he's gotta fight a giant spider in the third act t:

Spider and polar bears are the fiercest predators in the animal kingdom!!! t:

This movie needs a gay R2-D2. t:

ROTFLMAO. Priceless.

So in order to get a chance at directing/producing all some talentless hack(Jon Peters) needs to do is become a hairdresser of a big name actor or actress(Barbara Streisand). This must be one of the easiest ways to make millions. I wish I could become Jack Nicholson's limo driver so he could get me the job of writing some mindless script and get paid millions for doing basically nothing.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Listening to that Kevin Smith story pretty much confirms that some studios don't care about quality or the fanbase. Seriously, what studio lets a producer omit the classic Superman suit? What studio would basically allow the idea of Superman not flying?

Singer may've not done a perfect job and the film does have its flaws, but at least it's not a piece of Grade A crap like Peters wanted. Peters did finally admit that he didn't understand Superman like he thought and wouldn't give out such crazy ideas.

At least Warner Bros. didn't try to mess up Batman Begins.

I would also like to hear Smith's opinion on the travesty and politics behind X3 and their butchering of the Dark Phoenix Saga.

 

[Storm22]

Whatever he thinks about the behind the scenes politics of X3, Kevin Smith admits to liking X3 over SR so that's something.

http://www.cinematical.com/2007/02/...smith-talks-superhero-death-wish-joel-siegel/

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I like to point out that I think it's pretty hysterical to compare the expectations between Ghost Rider and X3. I don't believe fans were expecting some epic emotional film in Ghost Rider.

Fans like myself were expecting a much darker and more sinister Ghost Rider story. To me, the film was too watered down for the kiddies and it didn't blow me away at all, which is quite a shame since Ghost Rider had a lot of potential to be an amazing comic book film.

With X3 they took the story of the Dark Phoenix and ruined it. A story that is considered to be one of the greatest comic book stories/concepts ever.

To compare the two is pretty laughable in my opinion.

The fact that Ratner said that the previous Superman script was faithful to the mythos shows that he's an idiot. Thankfully he didn't go anywhere near the project and hopefully he'll never go near another superhero film again.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Whatever he thinks about the behind the scenes politics of X3, Kevin Smith admits to liking X3 over SR so that's something.

http://www.cinematical.com/2007/02/...smith-talks-superhero-death-wish-joel-siegel/

Interesting. Just read what he thought and still would like to hear why he thought X3 was better than Superman Returns.

I will say that I somewhat feel kind of sorry for him that he couldn't stand up for Superman when he was on board writing the film. On one hand he brings up some great points, but at least he admits that he could've spoken up but didn't because he wanted the job.

Either way it's interesting.

 

[Storm22]

I'm just watching the Smith youtube video now and the stuff Peters wanted for Superman is absolutely hilarious!

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I'm just watching the Smith youtube video now and the stuff Peters wanted for Superman is absolutely hilarious!

You're not kidding. It's both sad and funny at the same time.

At least Peters admitted later on that he didn't know Superman and would stay out of the creative process involving the characters mythos.

It's good that Smith is explaining these things, that way if anyone is going into the entertainment industry as a writer or a director they know what to expect.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I'm just watching the Smith youtube video now and the stuff Peters wanted for Superman is absolutely hilarious!

Edit: Double Post. Hype lagged up again.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I would absolutley love to see Ratner be involved with some more beloved comic franchises, just for the simple fact that many of you people around here would go into severe suicidal depressions over it, and I would find it to be humorous.

Regardless of whether the movie was a disappointment or not (and even I found X-Men: The Last Stand to be a disappointment, even if I do still love the **** out of it), a lot of you people remind me of that one Simpsons episode:

"Can't sleep, clown will eat me. Can't sleep, clown will eat me."

"Can't sleep, Fox will eat me. Can't sleep, Ratner will eat me. Can't sleep, Kinberg will eat me..."

 

[xmenfilesfan05]

Ha ha, ooh Nell...that's cold

 

[La_She-Beast]

No, that's dumb. I mean, people actually realising what they're saying: suicide? We're becoming pathetic. Wait, we already became pathetic. Doesn't one of the rules consist of respect?
One thing's fandom and the other is serious, pathetic, obsession.

 

[danoyse]

I would also like to hear Smith's opinion on the travesty and politics behind X3 and their butchering of the Dark Phoenix Saga.

Kevin Smith was at the Cannes premiere. I don't think he ever reviewed it outright, but I remember he posted on his blog the fanboys panicking over Ratner could calm down...he thought it was a "fun flick." t:

 

[gambitfire]

Having lost 110 minutes of my life to Ghost Rider --- the longest 110 minutes ever...yes my friend and I rolled our eyes at each other, groaned, shook our heads and looked at our watches several times --- I don't know what you are all moaning about with X3

But i'm not a Ghost Rider fan.

Whatever he thinks about the behind the scenes politics of X3, Kevin Smith admits to liking X3 over SR so that's something.

http://www.cinematical.com/2007/02/...smith-talks-superhero-death-wish-joel-siegel/

He's a bigger fan of the Superman source than he is of the X-men one, not to mention he was almost attached to Superman.



*reads* rest of article.

Interesting seems he's either

A) holding resentment over not being on the Superman project.
B) No longer a fan of the character.
C) Too much of a fan.

I disagree with him, i wasn't bored by SR.

As for letting them die, well i kinda agree about Superman but not Spider-man i think he still has a lot in him, he's an adult now, no longer a teenager and that story hasn't been told in Superman's case that's mostly what he has been.

 

[X-Maniac]

GR was bad but, I was not expecting something epic. At least GR special effects were great. On the other hand X3 is still the most disappointing movie I've ever seen. I still can't believe that GR's budget needed 100million less to create special effects that rivaled X3's.

Well, GR's special effects were much simpler (just one main character mostly doing the same thing over and over) --- and they delayed the release, supposedly to get the movie perfect so they may have spent a lot more time on post-prod. What a shame getting the movie perfect didn't include removing GR's maniacal laughter, editing out Johnny Blaze sipping jellybeans from a champagne glass and totally recasting the lead character!

I'm not overly familiar with the GR comics so I can't really argue over how faithful or respectful it was to the source material. But I imagine bringing to life a man with a burning skull must be quite a challenge. Nic Cage may have been a crowd-puller as he's a big name, but he seemed too old for the part, and it's a pity we didn't have someone younger and hunkier...

X3 spent a lot on getting all the various different FX completed by multiple FX houses working flat-out to get things done in time. I don't know what was sacrificed or abandoned purely for lack of time though.

 

[Storm22]

X3's FX are hardly something to complain about imo.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Actually, this is like comparing which piece of crap smelled worst. SL had the potential to be the worst film of all time but, thankfully the project died. GR was bad but, I was not expecting something epic. At least GR special effects were great. On the other hand X3 is still the most disappointing movie I've ever seen. I still can't believe that GR's budget needed 100million less to create special effects that rivaled X3's.

How about this.

GR was the worst of the two, but X-3 was the most disappointing. And not by that much on both cases, mind you. t:

 

[CapBeerCino]

Whatever he thinks about the behind the scenes politics of X3, Kevin Smith admits to liking X3 over SR so that's something.

http://www.cinematical.com/2007/02/...smith-talks-superhero-death-wish-joel-siegel/

He didn't say TLS was any good. He said SR was boring and TLS was better then a movie he didn't like. And the all thing smells of politics as it is - KS sounds pretty bitter about his Superman script, and he listed X-2 and Burton's Batman as his fav superhero movies. (After his little dispute with Burton and after insulting Singe's SR maybe? )

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I would absolutley love to see Ratner be involved with some more beloved comic franchises, just for the simple fact that many of you people around here would go into severe suicidal depressions over it, and I would find it to be humorous.

Regardless of whether the movie was a disappointment or not (and even I found X-Men: The Last Stand to be a disappointment, even if I do still love the **** out of it), a lot of you people remind me of that one Simpsons episode:

"Can't sleep, clown will eat me. Can't sleep, clown will eat me."

"Can't sleep, Fox will eat me. Can't sleep, Ratner will eat me. Can't sleep, Kinberg will eat me..."

Who is going to go into a suicidal depression over it? I could careless if he directed Aqua Man, Green Lantern, or even Green Arrow for instance. He will never get involved with franchises like Spider-Man, Batman, Hulk, or any other franchise that has the potential to generate a powerful buzz and break records.

If he was this great director who knew what he was doing the studios would be lining up for him.

And here you go insulting people who don't like Ratner, Kinberg, or Penn.

You say that we're becoming whiney and will become like Bart Simpson from the Simpsons after witnessing some scary clown? So are you saying that you're becoming the same way because people are criticizing X3 and Ratner?

I can almost guarantee you that if Ratner, by some miracle, got attached to a film like say Wolverine or even the upcoming Submariner film, people would either simply not see it or would express their opinion until a change was made. So really as long as Ratner doesn't go near Captain America, Batman, Punisher, Daredevil, Spider-Man, Hulk, Flash, or Wonder Woman I could careless what he does.

 

[Theweepeople]

Who is going to go into a suicidal depression over it? I could careless if he directed Aqua Man, Green Lantern, or even Green Arrow for instance. He will never get involved with franchises like Spider-Man, Batman, Hulk, or any other franchise that has the potential to generate a powerful buzz and break records.

If he was this great director who knew what he was doing the studios would be lining up for him.

And here you go insulting people who don't like Ratner, Kinberg, or Penn.

You say that we're becoming whiney and will become like Bart Simpson from the Simpsons after witnessing some scary clown? So are you saying that you're becoming the same way because people are criticizing X3 and Ratner?

I can almost guarantee you that if Ratner, by some miracle, got attached to a film like say Wolverine or even the upcoming Submariner film, people would either simply not see it or would express their opinion until a change was made. So really as long as Ratner doesn't go near Captain America, Batman, Punisher, Daredevil, Spider-Man, Hulk, Flash, or Wonder Woman I could careless what he does.

So Nell still has nothing better to do than make more pathetic attempts at insulting the X3 haters? What else is new?

Ratner has Rush Hour 4, 5, and 6 to keep him busy for the next decade so I wouldn't worry about him being hired to direct a Superhero movie anytime soon.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Who is going to go into a suicidal depression over it? I could careless if he directed Aqua Man, Green Lantern, or even Green Arrow for instance. He will never get involved with franchises like Spider-Man, Batman, Hulk, or any other franchise that has the potential to generate a powerful buzz and break records.

If he was this great director who knew what he was doing the studios would be lining up for him.

And here you go insulting people who don't like Ratner, Kinberg, or Penn.

You say that we're becoming whiney and will become like Bart Simpson from the Simpsons after witnessing some scary clown? So are you saying that you're becoming the same way because people are criticizing X3 and Ratner?

I can almost guarantee you that if Ratner, by some miracle, got attached to a film like say Wolverine or even the upcoming Submariner film, people would either simply not see it or would express their opinion until a change was made. So really as long as Ratner doesn't go near Captain America, Batman, Punisher, Daredevil, Spider-Man, Hulk, Flash, or Wonder Woman I could careless what he does.

It's not the criticizing of Ratner, Kinberg, or Penn that I have issues with. Your views on how they handled the X-Men movie is your opinion, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. I really don't care if you think X-Men is a horrible steaming pile of ****. That's your opinion, and while I disagree, you are completely entitled to it, and you have every right to express it, and I want you (and everyone else) to express your opinions.

It's the way it's handled that I have a problem with. I am sick of thewheepeople's incessant whining over every minute detail. I am sick of him lways copying and pasting articles and going point by point trying to "expose" Kinberg and Penn. I'm tired of ntcrawler's constant "crusading" against X-Men 3 and it's creative team, as if his cause is the only one with any value (though he is hardly around anymore to do it lately).

And most of all, I'm tired of your subtle arrogance that you throw around, just subtle enough that you can try to play innocent, but your arrogance in the matter is still plain for all to see.

The movie is done. It's almost a year old now. Nothing is changing. And while it's OKAY to express your OPINION (I don't care how old the movies get, they are movies that I love, and will always enjoy discussing, whether here or with my friends), it's the methods that are taken that are frustrating. I don't care if it IS X-Men, a source we all love, it's still a god damned ****ing movie. It's based on a ****ing comic book. It's NOT THAT SERIOUS. But the people around here act like they are on a ****ing crusade to rid the world of this filth, like Fox, Ratner, Kinberg, and Penn are some kind of evil that the world must be rid of. They make bad movies. BIG ****ING DEAL.

I'm tired of people trying to use the fact that they paid $10 to see a movie to justify their attitude about the situation, as if they somehow got ripped off. It's a movie. You pay to see it, with the knowledge that you may or may not like it. You were not ripped off.

I'm tired of people acting like Fox is some gateway to the depths of hell, that spews nothing but vile and filth upon the Earth. EVERY ****ING MOVIE STUDIO is out to make a buck, and EVERY ****ING MOVIE STUDIO puts out garbage. I can name a lot of good products that Fox put out, as well as the crap.

I'm tired of people acting like because THEY were disappointed that this movie WAS done wrong, and their cause is the only one with any worth, and those who did like it are just content with mediocracy (your exact words, Sunrise). That the people who DID like it don't matter, because they are wrong. In your words, we're allowed to be wrong if we want to be, but we're still wrong. YOU were disappointed, so your opinion is the only one that matters.

People just really need to get a grip. It was just a movie. It's not some evil that must be rid before it corrupts the world. Evil is terrorism, murder, rape, child molestation, genocide; THAT is evil. Not a bad movie.

Seriously, thewheepeople spends his entire SHH existence searching, copying and pasting articles in an attempt to "expose" these people. Expose them for what? For making a bad movie? For misleading people in an attempt to get people to see their product? THAT'S your freaking noble crusade? Come on, get a grip on reality, please.

Yet, because you all are so self righteous, and think your martyrs for some greater cause, you twist every single one of my statements into a "Nell2ThaIzzay hates people who hate X-Men: The Last Stand" because you don't have any true comprehension of the situation. You twist my words because you all want to be martyrs, to make it look like you guys are the victims because someone made a bad movie. It's truly freaking ridiculous. I don't give a **** if you liked the movie or not; you disliking the movie has absolutley no impact what so ever on my enjoyment of the movie But please, get a ****ing grip on reality, because while I don't mind the complaints about the film (I find many to be rather legitamate), I'm tired of coming on here everytime to a sesspool of people playing the victim card and trying to play the martyr.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I am *this* close to closing this thread once and for all.

Is there any benefit to people arguing over the same thing over and over again? The topic is dead...isn't it?

 

[LastSunrise1981]

It's not the criticizing of Ratner, Kinberg, or Penn that I have issues with. Your views on how they handled the X-Men movie is your opinion, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. I really don't care if you think X-Men is a horrible steaming pile of ****. That's your opinion, and while I disagree, you are completely entitled to it, and you have every right to express it, and I want you (and everyone else) to express your opinions.

It's the way it's handled that I have a problem with. I am sick of thewheepeople's incessant whining over every minute detail. I am sick of him lways copying and pasting articles and going point by point trying to "expose" Kinberg and Penn. I'm tired of ntcrawler's constant "crusading" against X-Men 3 and it's creative team, as if his cause is the only one with any value (though he is hardly around anymore to do it lately).

And most of all, I'm tired of your subtle arrogance that you throw around, just subtle enough that you can try to play innocent, but your arrogance in the matter is still plain for all to see.

The movie is done. It's almost a year old now. Nothing is changing. And while it's OKAY to express your OPINION (I don't care how old the movies get, they are movies that I love, and will always enjoy discussing, whether here or with my friends), it's the methods that are taken that are frustrating. I don't care if it IS X-Men, a source we all love, it's still a god damned ****ing movie. It's based on a ****ing comic book. It's NOT THAT SERIOUS. But the people around here act like they are on a ****ing crusade to rid the world of this filth, like Fox, Ratner, Kinberg, and Penn are some kind of evil that the world must be rid of. They make bad movies. BIG ****ING DEAL.

I'm tired of people trying to use the fact that they paid $10 to see a movie to justify their attitude about the situation, as if they somehow got ripped off. It's a movie. You pay to see it, with the knowledge that you may or may not like it. You were not ripped off.

I'm tired of people acting like Fox is some gateway to the depths of hell, that spews nothing but vile and filth upon the Earth. EVERY ****ING MOVIE STUDIO is out to make a buck, and EVERY ****ING MOVIE STUDIO puts out garbage. I can name a lot of good products that Fox put out, as well as the crap.

I'm tired of people acting like because THEY were disappointed that this movie WAS done wrong, and their cause is the only one with any worth, and those who did like it are just content with mediocracy (your exact words, Sunrise). That the people who DID like it don't matter, because they are wrong. In your words, we're allowed to be wrong if we want to be, but we're still wrong. YOU were disappointed, so your opinion is the only one that matters.

People just really need to get a grip. It was just a movie. It's not some evil that must be rid before it corrupts the world. Evil is terrorism, murder, rape, child molestation, genocide; THAT is evil. Not a bad movie.

Seriously, thewheepeople spends his entire SHH existence searching, copying and pasting articles in an attempt to "expose" these people. Expose them for what? For making a bad movie? For misleading people in an attempt to get people to see their product? THAT'S your freaking noble crusade? Come on, get a grip on reality, please.

Yet, because you all are so self righteous, and think your martyrs for some greater cause, you twist every single one of my statements into a "Nell2ThaIzzay hates people who hate X-Men: The Last Stand" because you don't have any true comprehension of the situation. You twist my words because you all want to be martyrs, to make it look like you guys are the victims because someone made a bad movie. It's truly freaking ridiculous. I don't give a **** if you liked the movie or not; you disliking the movie has absolutley no impact what so ever on my enjoyment of the movie But please, get a ****ing grip on reality, because while I don't mind the complaints about the film (I find many to be rather legitamate), I'm tired of coming on here everytime to a sesspool of people playing the victim card and trying to play the martyr.

Why in the hell do you compare Child Molestation, Murder, Rape, and Genocide to X3? Are you really that angry about people not liking this film? Are you really that tired of people criticizing this film?

Look I have expressed my views. Are my views harsh? Yes, I admit that and just recently I was banned for expressing those same exact views that I stated at the beginning. Never once did I say Ratner, Kinberg, or Penn were Satan themselves or that Fox is a gateway to Hell.

I never said that those who accept X3 accept mediocrity. I merely questioned that for those who love the comics, understand the comics, and appreciate the comics, how can they accept just a half-assed butchered attempt at the Phoenix Saga? Any comic book fan would speak their minds at what Fox did. I realize I'm not hardly an innocent party here, but you're not innocent yourself, as these very same rants and tirades that you display clearly show that you're not as good or as accepting as you claim either.

If the posts that Wee, myself, or any other X3 hater bother you that much then simply stop coming to this thread or simply place us on ignore. It's that simple and the problem would be solved immediately.

Those who like the film don't matter? In what sense? If they enjoyed the film and accept it for what it is, then yes, they don't matter in terms of what I'm speaking out against since they accept it. It doesn't man that they're worthless or anything, it's just that they're not going to speak up against what Rothman did and that's fine. If you love the film or hate it that's completely up to you or the next person.

I know quite a few posters who are disappointed in X3 who probably hate my guts just as much as you hate mine. I'm sure Worthy doesn't care much for my posting, same goes for Goddess, Flavio, and so forth. Just because they're disappointed in it doesn't mean they like me or agree with me, but you know what? Do you see me writing, whining, and ranting about me being sick and tired of people hating me? No, because it's not the end of the world.

Yes, I hate the film. Yes I'll continue speaking my mind. You don't have to come into a thread specifically made for those who didn't like the movie at all. So again, if what we say bothers you that much and angers you to the point of severe rage, then maybe you should stop coming into the thread and reading our posts.

In MY opinion the film was done wrong. It's not the worst film in the world, but it could've been so much better and I'm not going to sit down, shut up, and put a smile on my face pretending that this film is so great. I have some issues with the upcoming Spider-Man 3, I have some issues with the upcoming FF4 2, and I have some HUGE issues with Transformers coming out.

So again stop playing the victim, take a chill pill, and stop thinking that those who dislike the film are out to get you in some fashion. If you truly don't care about our opinions, then why are you upset? Why get upset or angry with anyone who speaks against Ratner, Penn, Kinberg, or Rothman? You accuse us of not accepting your opinion, yet you spin around and become the very thing you supposedly hate.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I am *this* close to closing this thread once and for all.

Is there any benefit to people arguing over the same thing over and over again? The topic is dead...isn't it?

I think you would be better off closing it. Whatever you decide to do, I don't care, but if you close it then another thread will be made and the process will start all over.

No, the topic isn't dead. There's nothing wrong with discussing a film that is a year old and calling for a restart, a better sequel, or listening to some interesting debates. Look Lightning, this thread was made for those who don't like the film, maybe if those who loved the film stayed out of the thread and stop getting so angry about the hate, maybe it would be a better experience for those who want to discuss why they're disappointed in it?

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Look Lightning, this thread was made for those who don't like the film, maybe if those who loved the film stayed out of the thread and stop getting so angry about the hate, maybe it would be a better experience for those who want to discuss why they're disappointed in it?

Well, that is a good point. Perhaps some would do well to take that under consideration. Then again, those who support the film would still be harrassed in a thread specifically geared for praising the film too--as history has repeatedly borne out here.

But even if people continue to participate here and defend X3, I still don't want you guys ripping out eachother's tracheas over this movie. It's not worth it.

 

[LadyVader]

Well, that is a good point. Perhaps some would do well to take that under consideration. Then again, those who support the film would still be harrassed in a thread specifically geared for praising the film too--as history has repeatedly borne out here.

I doubt that since why would I be interestred have to keep talking about a movie I DIDN'T like. The only reason things get so heated up in here is because the people who like the movie challenge our ideas and opinions repeatedly.

People who don't like the movie WOULD NOT go anywhere looking for trouble.