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[kg576094]

Hey look what I've found...check out what the current writers for x-men comics had to say about X3 (link)

A fan who clearly did not enjoy X-Men 3 asked the panel how they felt about it. McCann quipped, "Hey, we sat through Elektra." Brubaker: "X-Men 3 or Batman & Robin, come on, what would you rather watch?"

It's funny how they compared X3 to some of the worst in comicbook movies like Elektra and the infamous Batman & Robin.
I think this piece of information deserves a new thread.

 

[Rac]

I wouldn't watch either. I'd go cry in the corner.

 

[X-Maniac]

Hey look what I've found...check out what the current writers for x-men comics had to say about X3 (link)


It's funny how they compared X3 to some of the worst in comicbook movies like Elektra and the infamous Batman & Robin.
I think this piece of information deserves a new thread.

This is old news. It doesn’t really say anything, it’s a quip. Marvel hated the movie so much that Stan Lee and Chris Claremont both had parts in it and Chris Claremont was obviously so offended with the take on his characters and stories (especially the Phoenix Saga) that he agreed to write the novelisation. I’m sure some people at Marvel did hate it - what’s more the pity is that Marvel didnt have tighter control over the franchise.

 

[CapBeerCino]

Marvel hated the movie so much that Stan Lee and Chris Claremont both had parts in it and Chris Claremont was obviously so offended with the take on his characters and stories (especially the Phoenix Saga) that he agreed to write the novelisation.

Money talks... (It took Clooney a couple of good years to admit he hated B&R, so you can never know.) It's not like they ever stated what they think of TLS.

 

[Theweepeople]

I wouldn't watch either. I'd go cry in the corner.

At least most of us knew what to expect with Batman and Robin. The WB intentionally made Batman and Robin to be campy so I wasn't surprised at how horrible it was.

 

[Theweepeople]

I found another list of bad movies that X3 was added to. Enjoy.t:



http://mrboyproductions.blogspot.com/search?q=X-Men+the+last+stand

 

[Theweepeople]

Time for some more Simon Kinberg Q and A madness

So, Mr. Kinberg...I think you just revealed to us Omahyra Mota's character, ARCLIGHT!...lol

*Wrong. All I meant was that all of the various forces unite behind Magneto in this film, so the X-Men must stand alone. If you watch the trailer carefully, you’ll see a massive army of mutants behind Magneto. That crowd is full of Morlocks and Marauders and other forces.

Simon definitely, lied about the character that actress Omahyra played. He should have just said no comment. As for the mutants in Magneto's army I don't ever remember there being an instance in the movie where any of them were called Morlocks or Marauders.

You've said (or Zak said, or both) that Nightcrawler didn't work to this script, so you have to put him down. That's right, I can live without him in one single film from the franchise :P, but if it has the chance of continuing the plot, maybe in X4, can we hope Nightcrawler would return to the franchise? I mean, I'm not in about the official video game, so I'm asking now this, probably he's a member, but he's in a mission somewhere else. I wonder how would be these blue characters interacting somehow in next films... Mystique and Nightcrawler had just a cameo in X2 and nothing more. Beast and Nightcrawler might not be that near, but being in the same side would be nice to me, once them both I love more than someone can expect from a fan.

*He could absolutely be a part of future X-Men movies. I actually think he’d be great for the X-School spinoff (the one that Zak is supposed to be working on).

Thank you for revealving this to me Simon. I can add that to my list of movies I won't be seeing due to the involvement of hack writers.

Do you think that X3 will be the best of the franchise so far?

*I’m a little biased on this one. I hope it is. I hope it lives up to the legacy of the first two films, and is a fitting end to this chapter.

An end to what chapter? The end of the film made half of the events that took place trivial.(Magneto and all the cured mutants could have gotten their powers back. Xavier comes back which suggests Jean could also come back since she has the same powers. Also, we don't see Scott die in the film.)

Favorite comic book?

*Overall, X-Men, especially Claremont runs. My favorite series would be Dark Phoenix Saga, and I also really dig Batman: Dark Knight Returns.

You're a fan of the Dark Phoenix Saga yet the phoenix in X3 barely resembled the character from the comics?


Are we getting an origin scene for Storm?

*Sorry. Spoiler.

So much for Simon's "if something is outside the realm of possibility for X3 then I won't answer the question with spoiler" statement.

Does X3 include any more exploration of Wolverine's past and the Weapon X program?

*We do address some of Wolverine’s past, but we felt the Weapon X storyline was well handled in X2, so we didn’t want to cover old territory.

Could someone please refresh my memory on what areas of Wolverine's past were addressed in X3?


2) How long did it took to "rewrite" the script, not counting those days you are still mabye rewriting? and how long does it took for you,to write a script in the longest and shortest time?like days, months,wekks etc?

*All depends on the script. I’ve written some scripts in a week or two. And I’ve spent as long as six months on a single draft. On X3, I genuinely have no idea how many days we spent rewriting. A lot. There were continuous revisions throughout production, so that would add up to a lot of days…

You and Penn spent all this time writing the script and the end product still sucked?

Simon what's your favorite Marvel film translation? Mine is Blade 2.

*My favorite Marvel film is definitely Spiderman 2. I just think they got it right in that film – the emotion, the action, the epic scope and personal drama. The performances were fantastic, and the tone was so specific. I couldn’t believe they managed to get away with the “Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head” montage. And I have to admit I tear up every time at the end when Mary Jane says, “I’ve always been standing in your door.”

It's funny that you liked Spiderman 2 Simon because the things you praised about that film were absent in X3.

Anyway, it was reported initially in Wizard Magazine that you and 20th Century Fox intentionally decided to deviate from Bryan Singer’s original treatment for X-Men 3. Is this accurate and if so then why? If the fundamental desire is to reverently conclude Singer’s films then how come you and Fox headed in a different direction? Did you really know Singer’s original treatment or was this just a rumor incorrectly started by Wizard?

*That’s simply untrue. I don’t think Bryan ever wrote a treatment. Yet another X3 rumor…

Actually, you're lying Simon. It's a well known fact that Brian had written scripts for X3/X4 and wanted to film the movies back to back. There's no way you're going to convince me that X3 didn't deviate from Brian's original ideas which would have given Cyclops a central role to the storylines.

Ok, I'm taking to long to get in the point. About these posters, the character's aura tells me something, something sad indeed. These posters are somehow a pale reflection from the main plot of this film or that's all my mind playing tricks?

*I like your interpretation of the posters, but you may be over-thinking them a bit. If anything, the posters are intended to evoke the drama and emotion of the film. We wanted to make a movie that would engage audiences even if there were no superpowers or action sequences, and these posters indicate a very serious approach to the material.

Simon are you referring to those posters that looked like the mutant version of Rent.

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=22441

 

[Delerium]

I'm all for peace too. That's why from this period on I won't be discussing anything X-Men related with people who liked X3. I will only be discussing what I disliked about X3 with those hated the film. I knew this day was coming after I was forced to add Nell to my ignore list. I considered him to be one of the most level headed people on this forum until 2 months ago. It's a shame but after contributing to this forum since last June I've learned it is basically impossible to have a reasonabe discussion with most people who enjoyed X3 without them resorting to insults and
missinterpretations of my commentaries.

Wait a tick?

You're just finding this out now??

I thought it was clearly obvious.

 

[Theweepeople]

Below is a classic review of X3 that someone emailed to me.


http://www.hollywoodsaloon2.com/podcast/SE-X3.mp3


It's long, old, and I agree with 90% of it.t:

 

[Farren]

Below is a classic review of X3 that someone emailed to me.


http://www.hollywoodsaloon2.com/podcast/SE-X3.mp3


It's long, old, and I agree with 90% of it.t:

They make really good points...even stuff I hadn't thought of. And this is a an interesting perspective, as these guys aren't really familiar with the comics and they have serious issues.


"So what does he do, he sends in all the next wave of 'pawns' - as he calls them - because he won't let Pyro go in, so he can have that clever line: 'in chess you send in the pawns'. Well basically he sends them all in so they can what - get shot, and get the cure tied on them? But right behind Magneto is Shockwave!Girl, who can wipe out all the weapons. And then right after her Pyro can come in and Magneto can throw around some cars, Pyro can put them on flames, and get everyone out of the way, and send Juggernaut up the middle. But we got all of this Pomp and Circumstance and showy fighting while Magneto watches his whole army get eviserated, for what? So we can wait for the X-men to show up! It's the only reason it happens. It's beyond logic..."

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

They make really good points...even stuff I hadn't thought of. And this is a an interesting perspective, as these guys aren't really familiar with the comics and they have serious issues.


"So what does he do, he sends in all the next wave of 'pawns' - as he calls them - because he won't let Pyro go in, so he can have that clever line: 'in chess you send in the pawns'. Well basically he sends them all in so they can what - get shot, and get the cure tied on them? But right behind Magneto is Shockwave!Girl, who can wipe out all the weapons. And then right after her Pyro can come in and Magneto can throw around some cars, Pyro can put them on flames, and get everyone out of the way, and send Juggernaut up the middle. But we got all of this Pomp and Circumstance and showy fighting while Magneto watches his whole army get eviserated, for what? So we can wait for the X-men to show up! It's the only reason it happens. It's beyond logic..."

You people just don't understand, do you?

Magneto says "In chess, the pawns go first"

Pyro, Juggernaut, Callisto, all of them are his premiere troops. Those hundreds that rushed Alcatraz were essentially normal civilians. Revolutionaries usually are lesser trained civilians, not highly trained fighters. Pyro, Juggernaut, Callisto, Arclight, those are his best troops.

Magneto didn't realize the weapons weren't metal. Thinking they were, he figured that he could personally disable the military's weapons, and his army would rush over them. Trained or not, the mutants are still mutants, and have an advantage over the humans with their powers.

But the humans' weapons weren't metal, they were plastic, and Magneto couldn't effect them. And he lost a lot of troops.

Had he just blindly rushed in Pyro, and Juggernaut, and Callisto, he would have lost his best troops.

But it's obvious that nobody here really knows anything about tactics other than whatever they can find something to ***** at, because if you know anything about tactics, you don't just rush in your biggest weapons without any kind of knowledge or support for them.

But, people want to grasp any straw they can to ***** about, so this *****ing about Magneto's tactics will continue, with the blind ignorance being spewed out that's been polluting this place for the past year.

 

[Farren]

What's wrong with criticizing Magneto's tactics? He's supposed to be smart. But then he sends in all the 'pawns' without eliminating the weapons first? Ok, he didn't know they were plastic. But he shouldn't have waited until his army was getting cut down to start crushing guns.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

You people just don't understand, do you?

Magneto says "In chess, the pawns go first"

Pyro, Juggernaut, Callisto, all of them are his premiere troops. Those hundreds that rushed Alcatraz were essentially normal civilians. Revolutionaries usually are lesser trained civilians, not highly trained fighters. Pyro, Juggernaut, Callisto, Arclight, those are his best troops.

Magneto didn't realize the weapons weren't metal. Thinking they were, he figured that he could personally disable the military's weapons, and his army would rush over them. Trained or not, the mutants are still mutants, and have an advantage over the humans with their powers.

But the humans' weapons weren't metal, they were plastic, and Magneto couldn't effect them. And he lost a lot of troops.

Had he just blindly rushed in Pyro, and Juggernaut, and Callisto, he would have lost his best troops.

But it's obvious that nobody here really knows anything about tactics other than whatever they can find something to ***** at, because if you know anything about tactics, you don't just rush in your biggest weapons without any kind of knowledge or support for them.

But, people want to grasp any straw they can to ***** about, so this *****ing about Magneto's tactics will continue, with the blind ignorance being spewed out that's been polluting this place for the past year.

Will you ever create a post without getting bitter or using veiled insults towards posters? It's something that has been brought up many times before and many people have avoided it.

Again, why are you so hellbent on proving this movie doesn't suck? This thread was and is created for the haters, so why are you here Nell? The review brought up a greate point in how Magneto was written in the final battle. Why didn't he have Archlight destroy the weapons the second he saw he couldn't destroy them? Why did he wait until the weapons were pointed at his direction?

Sure, this may be a major/small nitpick, but it's something that I feel is very valid and makes Magneto look like a moronic leader who couldn't put together a very elaborate invasion in order to further his cause.

Of course this is only my opinion, you're free to disagree, yell, scream, pout, and get bitter all you want.

 

[The Batman]

damn...its so funny how, nearly a year ago, x3 supporters were calling haters childish and immature...and now their poster boy is getting childish and immature himself...

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Will you ever create a post without getting bitter or using veiled insults towards posters?

Nope, never again, it's blind insulting towards anyone who disagrees with my ways from here on out!

No, for real, you're right, I did kinda over react on that one. I kinda noticed it after I posed it, but I just decided not to edit it.

It's something that has been brought up many times before and many people have avoided it.

I haven't. I've brought up my point on the situation many many times already, and it's been MY replies to this "complaint" that have been avoided many times before.

Again, why are you so hellbent on proving this movie doesn't suck? This thread was and is created for the haters, so why are you here Nell? The review brought up a greate point in how Magneto was written in the final battle. Why didn't he have Archlight destroy the weapons the second he saw he couldn't destroy them? Why did he wait until the weapons were pointed at his direction?

I'm not hellbent on proving the movie doesn't suck. I want intelligent discussion on both sides of the coin about this film. I enjoy discussing even the negatives of this film, and if I was so hellbent on proving this movie doesn't suck, I wouldn't acknowledge the many things that I find wrong with the film.

It's just hard to have an intelligent, 2 way conversation, with people who are so determined to find every little piece they can to grab on to to justify their dislike of this film. You always ask me, if I like this film so much, why do I constantly need to "prove" it, or what have you. Well the same goes the other way, if this movie sucks so much, then why does everyone constantly have to find outside reviews to prove how much it sucks, or grab at every friggin' minor flaw imaginable to justify your dislike?

Look, just as you enjoy discussing where this movie went wrong, I enjoy discussing where it went right. And if someone provides an opinion that I disagree with, then I will provide my point of view and interpretation of the events in question. I'm not neccesarily right, and I'm not neccesarily wrong. I am merely providing my point of view. See my debate with AVEITWITHJAMON and you'll see that I'm not blindly out to "prove" this movie didn't suck.

But the constant nitpicking of many of the things that get nitpicked around here, on top of all of the providing of outside reviews in an attempt to prove how badly this movie sucks, does not come across to me as a supporting attitude for 2 way conversation. It's why I'm getting so bitter, because people are bringing all this stuff up in a "See?! I told you this film sucks!" kind of way, instead of a "This is why I feel this film didn't work" kind of way.

And please, don't tell me what threads I should and shouldn't enter. I am free to enter whichever threads I choose, and I am free to reply to whichever opinions I choose. I admit, again, that I was a bit harsh with my last post. That's my bad. But I still have every right to post my opinion in here. I gave this board, and you X3 bashers, an oppourtunity to have this thread all to your self when I created my thread for mutual discussion on this film. But many of you X3 bashers hollered and cried over it, and it got closed. So until that thread is reactivated, I will continue to voice my opinion in this thread, because I will NOT allow you X3 bashers to use a friggin' thread title as justification to silence positive opinion of this film.

Sure, this may be a major/small nitpick, but it's something that I feel is very valid and makes Magneto look like a moronic leader who couldn't put together a very elaborate invasion in order to further his cause.

Okay, that's fine. That is your interpretation of that, and I would love to have a discussion with you on the matter if that is your point of view.

My problem isn't with the opinion. It's with the manner it's presented in. In a "Here's more proof as to why this movie sucks!", which does not encourage a 2 way discussion. But if you would like to have a 2 way discussion on Magneto's tactics at Alcatraz, I'll be more than happy to listen to your interpretation and present mine.

Of course this is only my opinion, you're free to disagree, yell, scream, pout, and get bitter all you want.

I don't think you of all people are in any place to accuse people of "yelling", "screaming", "pouting", or "getting bitter"...

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Nope, never again, it's blind insulting towards anyone who disagrees with my ways from here on out!

No, for real, you're right, I did kinda over react on that one. I kinda noticed it after I posed it, but I just decided not to edit it.



I haven't. I've brought up my point on the situation many many times already, and it's been MY replies to this "complaint" that have been avoided many times before.



I'm not hellbent on proving the movie doesn't suck. I want intelligent discussion on both sides of the coin about this film. I enjoy discussing even the negatives of this film, and if I was so hellbent on proving this movie doesn't suck, I wouldn't acknowledge the many things that I find wrong with the film.

It's just hard to have an intelligent, 2 way conversation, with people who are so determined to find every little piece they can to grab on to to justify their dislike of this film. You always ask me, if I like this film so much, why do I constantly need to "prove" it, or what have you. Well the same goes the other way, if this movie sucks so much, then why does everyone constantly have to find outside reviews to prove how much it sucks, or grab at every friggin' minor flaw imaginable to justify your dislike?

Look, just as you enjoy discussing where this movie went wrong, I enjoy discussing where it went right. And if someone provides an opinion that I disagree with, then I will provide my point of view and interpretation of the events in question. I'm not neccesarily right, and I'm not neccesarily wrong. I am merely providing my point of view. See my debate with AVEITWITHJAMON and you'll see that I'm not blindly out to "prove" this movie didn't suck.

But the constant nitpicking of many of the things that get nitpicked around here, on top of all of the providing of outside reviews in an attempt to prove how badly this movie sucks, does not come across to me as a supporting attitude for 2 way conversation. It's why I'm getting so bitter, because people are bringing all this stuff up in a "See?! I told you this film sucks!" kind of way, instead of a "This is why I feel this film didn't work" kind of way.

And please, don't tell me what threads I should and shouldn't enter. I am free to enter whichever threads I choose, and I am free to reply to whichever opinions I choose. I admit, again, that I was a bit harsh with my last post. That's my bad. But I still have every right to post my opinion in here. I gave this board, and you X3 bashers, an oppourtunity to have this thread all to your self when I created my thread for mutual discussion on this film. But many of you X3 bashers hollered and cried over it, and it got closed. So until that thread is reactivated, I will continue to voice my opinion in this thread, because I will NOT allow you X3 bashers to use a friggin' thread title as justification to silence positive opinion of this film.



Okay, that's fine. That is your interpretation of that, and I would love to have a discussion with you on the matter if that is your point of view.

My problem isn't with the opinion. It's with the manner it's presented in. In a "Here's more proof as to why this movie sucks!", which does not encourage a 2 way discussion. But if you would like to have a 2 way discussion on Magneto's tactics at Alcatraz, I'll be more than happy to listen to your interpretation and present mine.



I don't think you of all people are in any place to accuse people of "yelling", "screaming", "pouting", or "getting bitter"...

1) First, when you created your thread I stayed out of it. Several haters did go into it, however, it had nothing to do with me since I had nothing to do with it in the first place. I kept my promise in making sure that whatever positive thread you created I stayed out of. When you created your thread it was done in a way to troll and you know it, which is why the mods closed it and I said right from the get go that you should have your own thread.

So don't put me in that category since I never got involved.

I'm not bitter, yelling, screaming, or pouting really. As you probably noticed I don't post as much in the X3 forums anymore. Most of my time is devoted to work, school, and if I do post I'm a regular in the TMNT, Spider-Man, Batman, and Community Forums than any other place. But that's another story.

Now you ask me, why do I feel this film sucks and why do I express my disappointment so strongly? It's quite simple. The film does suck for me. It got more wrong than it did right for me. Why can't you understand that? Why is it so hard for you to grasp? Sure, the ideas were great and on paper it looked amazing, but the final result was very insulting to me as an X-Men fan who knows, loves, respects, breaths, and sleeps the comics I felt it's something that shouldn't just be accepted and be ignored.

But you love it for what it is and that's fine.

Really this forum is no different than a Superman Returns or Ghost Rider forum, as both of them are having their fair share of heated debates and people still whining, yelling, and calling for a restart, a different director, or a better sequel.

Yes, X3 did come out a year ago, but that doesn't mean that those who hated the film should shut up and let Rothman get away with what he did.

 

[AssMan]

its so funny how, nearly a year ago, x3 supporters were calling haters childish and immature...and now their poster boy is getting childish and immature himself...

Irony at it's best

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

let Rothman get away with what he did.

Actually, this is the EXACT attitude I'm talking about.

Rothman get away with what? Making a bad movie? BIG ****ING DEAL!!!

Is it really so horrible that a movie studio released a bad movie?

I understand, it's X-Men, it's something that we all here are passionate about. I am just as passionate about X-Men as you are, and I didn't get a lot of the things that I wanted in the movies either.

But in the end, it's a freaking movie. Whether or not the movies were bad, that doesn't change the fact that I still have my comic books, I still have my animated series, I still have my video games. I wanted Gambit in an X-Men film. And Sentinels. Those were the only 2 wishes that I have. I never got them.

But I still have Gambit and Sentinels in comics, video games, cartoons, etc...

I wanted the Phoenix Saga done right. It wasn't. But I can still go out and buy the comics, I can still watch the animated series....

Look, I'm not telling anyone to shut up about the film. I'm telling people to stop acting like they've been victimized by Fox for releasing a bad movie. I'm telling people to stop acting like martyrs who are fighting for some greater cause.

If people want to talk about what's wrong with the movie, I am all for that. But do it in a way that encourages 2 way discussion, not "I'm right, and these reviews prove it because someone else called it the worst movie of the year, and it didn't profit the way Fox wanted it to".

Why is it so hard for YOU and other X3 bashers to grasp THAT?

Why is it possible for me to have civil debates with AVEITWITHJAMON who dislikes the movie, and get along with DarthCyclops who dislikes the movie, if my cause is simply to shut anyone up who hates the movie? Why is it that you, thewheepeople, LaSheBeast (who I don't particularly have a problem with, but has gotten caught up in the twisting of my words), and others can't grasp the simple fact that it's not your opinions I want to silence?

It's a movie. A movie studio released a bad movie. A director made a bad movie. A couple screenwriters wrote a bad script. Is that really all so awful? Was it REALLY so horrible that Batman & Robin sucked so bad? I hate that movie too. It didn't take away the Batman that I DO like.

People are really over-reacting, still a year later, acting like it was some great offense that a bad movie was made. I understand you don't like the movie, and I've no problems with you expressing that.

But for the love of god, stop acting like Fox freaking insulted you personally, and actually caused harm to you. Whether you choose to see it or not, people ARE over-reacting to this movie, and acting like it was some autrocious offense against them. And YES, there are those who like it that act as if it's some autrocious offense against them that people have complaints about the film. X-Maniac and The Guard both have not been innocent of this place.

But I come around here because this is the only place that I can discuss X-Men. None of my friends care about X-Men, and my talking about the movies to them is rather annoying for them, because they simply don't care. So I enjoy coming here, to talk X-Men, with fellow X-Men fans. And as an X-Men fan, I understand why people would have problems with the film. And I don't want to silence that.

But I am tired of coming around here, and having MY experience here ruined because people like thewheepeople are acting like it was some horrible offense by Fox that they released a bad movie, and that he was somehow personally victimized by Fox and Rothman. I'm tired of thewheepeople, and even yourself, talking about "what Rothman got away with" as if hating this movie is some cause for a greater good.

I want discussion of this movie, both good and bad, not have it forced down my throat how horrible this movie was, and every little writing on a bathroom stall saying "X3 SUCKED" being brought in as evidence and justification for this hatred.

You may think that I'm over reacting, and that's fine. But I am trying to make this place enjoyable, not some freaking whinefest about how horrible Tom Rothman is, and how we've all been victimized and "literally" spat upon (no, not literally. The word you are looking for is "metaphorically"... Tom Rothman did not spit upon you, his saliva is not dripping down your face). I'm tired of every person who hates this film twisting my words into some kind of personal vendetta against them because they dislike the film, so they can play the martyr role about how everyone from Fox to Nell2ThaIzzay is out to get them.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

damn...its so funny how, nearly a year ago, x3 supporters were calling haters childish and immature...and now their poster boy is getting childish and immature himself...

You know what, if you want to talk that ****, and if you truly believe it, then that's fine. I can't change your mind, obviously.

If you can't see the childish behavior, and the over-reacting that I'm speaking out against, then that's your own fault.

What people fail to realize, is that I even publically, and privatley, apologized to thewheepeople for my behavior that led him to put me on his ignore list. I realized at the time that what I had said was wrong, and uncalled for. I edited out what I had said, unfortunatley, it was too late, and he had seen it. I made a post in this thread, and sent him a PM, apologizing to him for what I had said.

I don't buy that he didn't see it because he had me on ignore, because it hasn't stopped him from seeing anything else that I've written about him. And it hasn't stopped him from continuing to make his snide remarks about me whenever he gets a chance. So I decided that I wasn't going to try to make nice anymore.

You think I'm acting childish? That's fine. That's your opinion, and my posts speak for themselves.

I think it's rather childish of posters like thewheepeople to spend so much time and energy on -proving- how horrible a movie was, a FREAKING MOVIE, and how horrible of an offense it was against all of us, and how it was this great insult, and how Rothman must be stopped. I think that is childish.

I am just as passionate about X-Men as anyone here. I have been a fan my entire life. I wasn't 100% thrilled with the movie either. It's not a freaking big deal, really. I understand the importance of these characters to us, I really do, and I understand the disappointment we ALL faced with this movie, I experienced it too. But it's a freaking movie. It's not some horrible offense by Fox, or Rothman. It wasn't some horrible insult against us. It was a movie.

So you can think I'm childish. That's fine. Like I said, my posts speak for themselves. Take from them what you will.

But I think the attitudes around here from about 80% of the X3 haters (and I think 80% is too nice, it's probably closer to about 95%) is rather childish.

Trying to use where a bridge dropped, or that nobody was hurt when said bridge dropped, or plastic vs. metal needles, as reasons for hating a movie, a science fiction comic book movie at that, is rather -childish- to me. It doesn't come off as anything more than a spoiled little brat throwing a tantrum, stamping his feet, because he didn't get exactly what he wanted.

Breaking down, word for word, a Q&A done over a year ago by the script writers in an attempt to attack their character, as well as use it as evidence as some kind of horrible insult against us, is rather childish to me.

Finding every little online blog that says X3 was the worst movie of the year in an attempt to justify said hatred of the film is rather childish to me.

If you hate the movie, for reasons that are truly as legitamate and genuine as you say, then why are those reasons not strong enough to put up for civil debate? Why must you try to bring "evidence" to justify and prove your hatred? If your opinions are so strong, then you should be able to have a conversation with someone who disagrees with you, and be able to stick to your guns, and have enough conviction in what you believe to back up your point.

God knows I've done it many times with X3 haters before. AVEITWITHJAMON, WeatherMan, Boba_Fett, as well as many others, are all X3 "haters" who have provided the foundations of their beliefs in a civil, and strong fashion. While I may not agree with them, I respect their views. Many X3 haters have even given me something to think about, and provided a viewpoint that I never considered before. While again I may not agree with them, it helps me to understand why they have these complaints with the movie, why they felt it was a poor X-Men adaptation, or just straight up a poor movie.

The methods of thewheepeople, LastSunrise, ntcrawler, and most others, do not provide that insight. It's just a bunch of temper tantrum throwing because they didn't get their way, using a bunch of what other people said to try to justify their own dislike of the film, picking apart every last micro-second of the film and explaining every little flaw imaginable in an attempt to further justify their hatred, with no real substance behind it, and no real allowance for civil debate. It's all "It's my way or no way" with these people, and if that's not childish, then I don't know what is.

But if you want to continue to call me childish, then that's fine. If you want to ignore the fact that I tried to make nice with thewheepeople and apologized to him, but he chose to ignore it and continue to make snide remarks towards me, then hey, that's fine. I'M the childish one. That's alright.

 

[gambitfire]

*looks up*

a) you have too much free time on your hands.

b) chill

c) have you read what thread you're in?

d) judging from your last post hour and assuming you live in the US,.. do you ever sleep?

 

[gambitfire]

On a seperate note, you said you still have Gambit in comics?

No. Thanks to Marvel now you don't.

 

[gambitfire]

e) calm down, ignore everyone bothering you and have a cookie.

edit- perhaps i should of edited instead of making 3 posts.........

 

[Neptune]

He's supposed be in an adjectiveless X-men arc that starts in issue 200. Carey should fix him.

 

[danoyse]

Sorry, don't mean to interrupt...I'm just here for some of gambitfire's cookies.

Thanks gambit! t:

OK, everyone go back to your fighting now.

 

[AssMan]

I think it's rather childish of posters like thewheepeople to spend so much time and energy on -proving- how horrible a movie was, a FREAKING MOVIE, and how horrible of an offense it was against all of us, and how it was this great insult, and how Rothman must be stopped. I think that is childish.

The same can be said about you the way you spend so much time & energy to defend this movie to hell. It works both ways not one. You are doing what the haters are doing but you support the opposite. You are being just as childish as the haters when it comes to defending this movie. I think it might be time for EVERYONE to move the hell on. Your the one adding fuel to the fire here. You keep talking about the haters & what they do I think you need to stop for a moment & look at what you are doing & how you are doing it. Because right now you are doing things exactly the way the haters did & that is one of the things that makes you no better then them. In fact one could say that right now you are worse then the haters.