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Was that some kid in dreads?
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I don't know I just remember when you guys were talking about that BL said Miz can't come up with stuff on the fly, and that's why he's not a great promo guy.
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Yeah it was that kid with the dreads, I found the link but I'm not sure if it's safe for the hype since the kid curses a bit. I don't think he handled it that badly, If you watch he seems much more concerned with staying professional than outwitting some ******* with fugly dreads. For example if he had tore into the kid about Beniot then he probably never would have been champion.
I can post this video of CM Punk dealing with a heckler that's all of twelve years old though.
It's pretty short.
The First Little Jimmy: I HATE CM PUNK!
CM Punk:..............I HOPE YOUR PARENTS DIE!
*audience cheers*
[YT]_DvDztAz8YA[/YT]
I can post this video of CM Punk dealing with a heckler that's all of twelve years old though.
It's pretty short.
The First Little Jimmy: I HATE CM PUNK!
CM Punk:..............I HOPE YOUR PARENTS DIE!
*audience cheers*
[YT]_DvDztAz8YA[/YT]
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Thats because WWE wasn't serious about putting him in a major angle with Cena and REALLY let him cut loose. Do you think CM Punk can cut whatever promo he wants when he wants?
Mondays promo was them letting him off the WWE leash and they signed off in him saying what he wanted to. If Punk had his way he could probably cut promos like that every week.
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"I'm a Paul Heyman Wrestling Thread"is awesome,But I just realized that every wrestling thread title is WWE related and never TNA/International or even Indy stuff!!!
I would like to see.....
-"Wrestling Thread Matters"
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-"Planet Wrestling Thread"
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-"The Foreign Legion Wrestling Thread"
-"Independent Wrestling Thread"
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-"Wrestling Shoot Thread"
-"Worked Wrestling Thread"
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Is Thread Manager a WWE mark/fan boy or what?
I would like to see.....
-"Wrestling Thread Matters"
-"This is My World Wrestling Thread"
-"Planet Wrestling Thread"
-"It's Showtime Wrestling Thread"
-"Kings of Wrestling Thread"
-"The Foreign Legion Wrestling Thread"
-"Independent Wrestling Thread"
-"5150 Wrestling Thread"
-"Ring of Wrestling Thread"
-"Best In the World Wrestling Thread"
-"World Wrestling Thread Federation"
-"It's Time,It's Wrestling Thread Time"
-"Global Wrestling Thread"
-"Wrestle Thread Kingdom"
-"Lucha Wrestling Thread"
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Is Thread Manager a WWE mark/fan boy or what?
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I can't believe orton said all the stuff he did lol
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CM Punk shatters the fourth wall on Monday Night Raw
By The Masked ManPOSTED JUNE 28, 2011
So what the hell happened Monday night?
Let's recap: Sometime around midnight, WWE.com released a statement announcing that CM Punk had been suspended indefinitely, and that with his contract three weeks from expiring his WWE career was presumably done. Punk's profile was removed from WWE.com the ultimate indignity in the web-based wrestling world.
This comes after Punk barged in on Monday Night Raw's main event between John Cena and R-Truth and cost Cena the victory. While Cena grappled with Punk in the middle of the ring, Truth tackled Cena through a folding table to score the win. But, of course, "unlicensed" interference in matches isn't exactly a punishable offence in wrestling unreality. What got him "suspended" was what came after.
With Cena lying half-broken in the ring, Punk walked to the top of the entrance ramp, sat down cross-legged, and proceeded to issue one of the most defiant fourth-wall-breaking monologues in wrestling history.1
He started off by calling himself the "best in the world" and called Cena and Hulk Hogan, and The Rock, whom he persistently called "Dwayne" ass-kissers. He complained that he isn't used on promotional materials the way Cena is.2 He said that the fans' complicity in the whole commercial enterprise is what drove him over the edge. This part was less meta-affectation and more straightforward bad -guy posturing: "You're the ones that buy those programs that my face isn't on the cover of, and then at five in the morning at the airport, you try to shove it in my face thinking you can get an autograph and sell it on eBay because you're too lazy to get a real job." He said the fact that "Dwayne" is already scheduled for next year's WrestleMania makes him sick, and that when he wins the title at the next pay-per-view event, he would take it with him to New Japan or Ring of Honor.3 He said that Vince McMahon has hurt himself and the company by surrounding himself with "glad-handing nonsensical *****ebag4 yes-men like John Lauranitis," the WWE head of talent relations who's notorious for choosing muscles over talent. And finally, the coup de grace: "I'd like to think that maybe this company would be better after Vince McMahon is dead, but the fact is it's gonna get taken over by his idiotic daughter and his doofus son-in-law [wrestler Triple H] and the rest of his stupid family."
When he was cut off, Punk was starting to tell a "personal story" about McMahon and the anti-bullying commercials that the WWE has been running lately. Instead, the mic went dead and the screen went black. This is a staple of the pro wrestling "worked shoot" promo when a wrestler seemingly goes off script and breaks down the fourth wall in addressing the audience (this is a "shoot"), but when in reality the whole thing is part of the script (thus it's "worked").
The "worked shoot" is a vital part of wrestling. Fans are in on the joke they always have been, more or less but in the modern era, it's necessary to wink a little more, to give the audience assurance that you're in on this together.
The adage in pro wrestling is that if you're seeing something on TV, it's because you're supposed to be seeing it. It's a testament to Punk that everyone who watched Monday night was confused as to whether or not they were seeing something "real." Punk wasn't winking at the audience he was waving at it, broadly and literally. He wasn't merely connecting with average viewers by breaking down the fourth wall he was voicing the concerns of the entire audience.
It's important to note that Punk prefaced his monologue by interfering in a match. Most of the time, worked shoots occur away from the in-ring action, since such pseudoviolence is implicitly what they're calling into question. But Punk situated his speech within pro wrestling reality. While insisting that he was breaking down the fourth wall, Punk was calculatedly buttressing it. His promo was less an annihilation of wrestling's underpinnings than a shout-out to a bygone era when reality and "reality" were blurred and wrestling was more exciting.
They had the self-referential details down pat. Punk came out in a "Stone Cold" Steve Austin T-shirt, foreshadowing the anti-establishment outburst that was to come. It was also no mistake that Punk interrupted a tables match a plain echo of ECW, functional originator of the shoot promo style.
For years, ECW was the lone voice in the wilderness, the company speaking truth to power about the failing of the wrestling industry. And, as the WWE co-opted their brash style, Steve Austin was the leader of its anything-goes movement. He stood opposite Vince McMahon5 in his everyman's crusade against his ******* boss and the pro wrestling status quo.
Punk and Cena are natural adversaries because they're two sides of the same coin. Cena is a cartoon, loved by kids and hated by adults; Punk is the counterculture, darling of the insiders who sneer at Cena's mainstream. Punk has added a brilliant wrinkle to Austin's anti-establishment character: he can attack the evil empire and still come off as a bad guy.
Punk has always styled himself as a truth-teller, a holier-than-thou prophet decrying human fallibility. But this posture has always been a put-on wrestling persona. By co-opting every legitimate criticism of the WWE, as he did Monday night, Punk refashioned himself from a simplistic messiah figure into an evil on-screen ombudsman.
What happened Monday night wasn't unplanned. It may have been nominally unscripted, but wrestling promos are often delivered off the cuff. If the crises that Punk addressed Monday night were things that wrestling fans were happy to hear, it's because of Punk's tone and style as much as the substance. We miss ECW and we miss Steve Austin. Thus, Punk is fashioning himself into something new: a messiah of the Attitude Era.
We know that pulling his profile from the website was just a gesture. We know that this was a "work," that it's all part of the script. But what's important is not what they can trick us into believing, it's what they can make us want to believe.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6712903/punkd
CM Punk shatters the fourth wall on Monday Night Raw
By The Masked ManPOSTED JUNE 28, 2011
So what the hell happened Monday night?
Let's recap: Sometime around midnight, WWE.com released a statement announcing that CM Punk had been suspended indefinitely, and that with his contract three weeks from expiring his WWE career was presumably done. Punk's profile was removed from WWE.com the ultimate indignity in the web-based wrestling world.
This comes after Punk barged in on Monday Night Raw's main event between John Cena and R-Truth and cost Cena the victory. While Cena grappled with Punk in the middle of the ring, Truth tackled Cena through a folding table to score the win. But, of course, "unlicensed" interference in matches isn't exactly a punishable offence in wrestling unreality. What got him "suspended" was what came after.
With Cena lying half-broken in the ring, Punk walked to the top of the entrance ramp, sat down cross-legged, and proceeded to issue one of the most defiant fourth-wall-breaking monologues in wrestling history.1
He started off by calling himself the "best in the world" and called Cena and Hulk Hogan, and The Rock, whom he persistently called "Dwayne" ass-kissers. He complained that he isn't used on promotional materials the way Cena is.2 He said that the fans' complicity in the whole commercial enterprise is what drove him over the edge. This part was less meta-affectation and more straightforward bad -guy posturing: "You're the ones that buy those programs that my face isn't on the cover of, and then at five in the morning at the airport, you try to shove it in my face thinking you can get an autograph and sell it on eBay because you're too lazy to get a real job." He said the fact that "Dwayne" is already scheduled for next year's WrestleMania makes him sick, and that when he wins the title at the next pay-per-view event, he would take it with him to New Japan or Ring of Honor.3 He said that Vince McMahon has hurt himself and the company by surrounding himself with "glad-handing nonsensical *****ebag4 yes-men like John Lauranitis," the WWE head of talent relations who's notorious for choosing muscles over talent. And finally, the coup de grace: "I'd like to think that maybe this company would be better after Vince McMahon is dead, but the fact is it's gonna get taken over by his idiotic daughter and his doofus son-in-law [wrestler Triple H] and the rest of his stupid family."
When he was cut off, Punk was starting to tell a "personal story" about McMahon and the anti-bullying commercials that the WWE has been running lately. Instead, the mic went dead and the screen went black. This is a staple of the pro wrestling "worked shoot" promo when a wrestler seemingly goes off script and breaks down the fourth wall in addressing the audience (this is a "shoot"), but when in reality the whole thing is part of the script (thus it's "worked").
The "worked shoot" is a vital part of wrestling. Fans are in on the joke they always have been, more or less but in the modern era, it's necessary to wink a little more, to give the audience assurance that you're in on this together.
The adage in pro wrestling is that if you're seeing something on TV, it's because you're supposed to be seeing it. It's a testament to Punk that everyone who watched Monday night was confused as to whether or not they were seeing something "real." Punk wasn't winking at the audience he was waving at it, broadly and literally. He wasn't merely connecting with average viewers by breaking down the fourth wall he was voicing the concerns of the entire audience.
It's important to note that Punk prefaced his monologue by interfering in a match. Most of the time, worked shoots occur away from the in-ring action, since such pseudoviolence is implicitly what they're calling into question. But Punk situated his speech within pro wrestling reality. While insisting that he was breaking down the fourth wall, Punk was calculatedly buttressing it. His promo was less an annihilation of wrestling's underpinnings than a shout-out to a bygone era when reality and "reality" were blurred and wrestling was more exciting.
They had the self-referential details down pat. Punk came out in a "Stone Cold" Steve Austin T-shirt, foreshadowing the anti-establishment outburst that was to come. It was also no mistake that Punk interrupted a tables match a plain echo of ECW, functional originator of the shoot promo style.
For years, ECW was the lone voice in the wilderness, the company speaking truth to power about the failing of the wrestling industry. And, as the WWE co-opted their brash style, Steve Austin was the leader of its anything-goes movement. He stood opposite Vince McMahon5 in his everyman's crusade against his ******* boss and the pro wrestling status quo.
Punk and Cena are natural adversaries because they're two sides of the same coin. Cena is a cartoon, loved by kids and hated by adults; Punk is the counterculture, darling of the insiders who sneer at Cena's mainstream. Punk has added a brilliant wrinkle to Austin's anti-establishment character: he can attack the evil empire and still come off as a bad guy.
Punk has always styled himself as a truth-teller, a holier-than-thou prophet decrying human fallibility. But this posture has always been a put-on wrestling persona. By co-opting every legitimate criticism of the WWE, as he did Monday night, Punk refashioned himself from a simplistic messiah figure into an evil on-screen ombudsman.
What happened Monday night wasn't unplanned. It may have been nominally unscripted, but wrestling promos are often delivered off the cuff. If the crises that Punk addressed Monday night were things that wrestling fans were happy to hear, it's because of Punk's tone and style as much as the substance. We miss ECW and we miss Steve Austin. Thus, Punk is fashioning himself into something new: a messiah of the Attitude Era.
We know that pulling his profile from the website was just a gesture. We know that this was a "work," that it's all part of the script. But what's important is not what they can trick us into believing, it's what they can make us want to believe.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6712903/punkd
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Know what match this is? I could use seeing Punk vs AmDrag (I'm thinking it's PWG).
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It's funny how some of the posters are so quick to believe Orton about Rock trying to get him in trouble, despite the fact The Rock has been one of the most selfless performers in the business and never been some kind of political guy going behind wrestler's back. Yet Orton has had problems in the past with his attitude and complaining and causing trouble with others. But people believe his side of the story just because he says so?
How much of this has to do with The Rock slamming Punk?
How much of this has to do with The Rock slamming Punk?
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Yeah, I wouldn't be so quick to believe Orton.
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What posters are you talking about?
I assumed Rock was in "work" mode and stayed in character. In that case his tweet about Punk made perfect sense since Punk singled him out on Raw.
I never "believed" Orton was right to say what he did about Rock tattling (if its even true) on him but I can believe Rock may not have liked things Orton may have said about him.
That and I did agree somewhat with Orton when he was talking about Rock coming back and never said he was leaving again. Of course I never had a problem with Rock leaving in the first place. Its his life.
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It sounds like I missed a really good promo with Punk...
Watch it!
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It's strange how Rock's tweet that showed a lack of comprehension, has had such a knock-on effect.
That Masked Man article really over analyses the Punk promo as well.
That Masked Man article really over analyses the Punk promo as well.
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Guess it just wasn't real clear what you meant before. Gotcha now.
Honestly I just cannot see Rock caring enough to go an complain to McMahon, especially considering he's not around the business much. He brushes things off really easy. I mean just look to his reactions in interviews to Cena calling him out years ago. He just laughed and was like "whatever" The Rock has always been a stand up easy going guy.
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Guess it just wasn't real clear what you meant before. Gotcha now.
Honestly I just cannot see Rock caring enough to go an complain to McMahon, especially considering he's not around the business much. He brushes things off really easy. I mean just look to his reactions in interviews to Cena calling him out years ago. He just laughed and was like "whatever" The Rock has always been a stand up easy going guy.
Agreed!
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well cena comes across more friendly than orton in interviews lol
he did just call his co worker a **** in few words
he did just call his co worker a **** in few words
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I think Cena and Orton are two guys that are using the tried and true formula of being yourself turned up to 11 in the ring. In real life Cean is a very friendly and easy going guy and Orton is a bit of an *******.
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Whoever's fault it is, the fact of the matter is that going into Wrestlemania, CM Punk wasn't a big enough draw for WWE to change their entire main event plans so they could shoehorn him into the main event.
Miz was their champion. Miz was the guy they were currently pushing. Miz was the guy they had plans for. Not Punk. And whether it's Punk's fault, McMahon's fault, or my dead dog's fault, it doesn't matter, because CM Punk was not the kind of draw to change plans for.
*NOW*? Absolutely. CM Punk is scorching hot right now, and with that promo I believe he solidified himself as a mainstay in the main event. Hopefully everything that went down Monday is because they've signed him, and this is all part of a larger storyline that will permanently shoot him into the main event. But that wasn't the case a few months ago.
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