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they're gonna fit all this into one 2 hour film? I mean theres the sandman story, they gotta finish up harry/green goblin story and then theres venom... man venom would need a whole movie of his own, unless they're gonna pull a matrix reloaded/revolutions type of thing on us, its gonna be real interesting to see how they fit all this in one movie... What do y'all think?
 
kguillou said:
they're gonna fit all this into one 2 hour film? I mean theres the sandman story, they gotta finish up harry/green goblin story and then theres venom... man venom would need a whole movie of his own, unless they're gonna pull a matrix reloaded/revolutions type of thing on us, its gonna be real interesting to see how they fit all this in one movie... What do y'all think?

Could be more than 2 hrs.
 
I have faith in Raimi...but yea this is a lot for one Spider-Man movie seeing as what we have had in the past 2 films. I think they can turn it out and still make an awesome movie. I think this film will easily be the best of the 3 and better than any other superhero movie out to date.
 
grant curtis on the spiderman 3 blog said he'll discuss this in an upcoming blog entry.
 
chaseter said:
I have faith in Raimi...but yea this is a lot for one Spider-Man movie seeing as what we have had in the past 2 films. I think they can turn it out and still make an awesome movie. I think this film will easily be the best of the 3 and better than any other superhero movie out to date.

Couldn't agree more.
 
I think the film is going to be ok with all these elements in them, and to me it seems to be using a different formula: In the previous two films the story arcs all seem to be independant but add in their own way to the overall feel of the film, but in this next one I get the impression that all the arcs are revolving around a specific thing -- in my view, the symbiote -- and seem to be more at one with the story. In the end I believe that all of the villains and new characters in this film are all just different examples of how the suit is affecting Pete . . . the story has always been about Pete, and I don't think that will change no matter how many bad guys Spidey has to go through. So I'm not gonna dwell on how they are going to fit three villains in this film, I'm just going to take it that there is one bad guy, the symbiote; the rest are just elements that are needed to show how the suit is corrupting Pete -- that kinda thing would get old fast on one or two people, so that is why I think it is a good thing having such a large A list of characters in just the one (and maybe last) Spider-man movie.:spidey:
 
I think the best and obvious thing to do would be to finish the Harry arc and do the whole sandman/ uncle ben killer thing for this film. At the end when peter gets rid of the symbiote, brock becomes venom and the screen flashes to black with "To be continued...". Then finish it strongly with one final film centering around venom, spidey's strongest foe. There's so many elements to venom that need to be covered and i think it would be extremely difficult to fit them all in with the rest of the villain stories.
 
The story is all coming together for the cliamx. It is a series of plot threads that will all tie together by film's end.

And they all center around two things: Vengence and forgiveness/acceptance.

Both Peter and Harry have to learn this lesson and Brock/Venom will be the end result of being consumed by it.

I think the story will work if you look at the pieces and think how they go together. If this is a 2 1/2 hour film it should connect quite well.
 
kguillou said:
I think the best and obvious thing to do would be to finish the Harry arc and do the whole sandman/ uncle ben killer thing for this film. At the end when peter gets rid of the symbiote, brock becomes venom and the screen flashes to black with "To be continued...". Then finish it strongly with one final film centering around venom, spidey's strongest foe. There's so many elements to venom that need to be covered and i think it would be extremely difficult to fit them all in with the rest of the villain stories.

Yeah, because everyone loves when a movie ends with to be continued........especially when we would have to wait atleast three years to get the follow up.

and Venom isn't the focus here, the symbiot is and he doesn't need his own movie. I'm not saying he can't come back, but it is...........oh god why am I even trying.
 
Don't know.. Sandman + Harry would've been enough for one movie, and then save Venom + Harry's death for Spider-man 4.

All I know is, that this should be the end of the current spider-man movie series. You can not top the changes that Peter has gone through, from Discovery, to Responsibily, to Vengeance and Power. There is really little for Peter Parker to go. He and M.J. need to already get married, Harry will be gone, Aunt May is due soon, and the glory that is Venom will sink away.

Spider-man 3 will end on a sad but powerful note. This kind of sadness of death and despair hopefully won't dampen the greatness that is Spider-man's character and series.

Although, I wouldn't mind a fast forward into Peter's future w/ newborn Mayday Parker somewhere down the line. That would be interesting to see kind of the way Superman did it. Agaisnt the cannon and whatever else, it would definetly be a change from the current (Save the girlfriend thing) and more of a save myself and my daughter from evil.
 
Simple, we watch the first two hours, then they get Hiro Nakamura to realign the timestream and give us another two hours of show time without anyone ever noticing the difference.
 
I still feel with more then likley 2 hours and 30 minutes of screen time that there will be pleanty of time to make all the storys work. I mean you could start the movie off with the harry peter deal and lead into Sandman and fight and Peter coming upon the symboite.

Which that can be done within an hour of movie time because thats pleanty of time to set that up in the next 30 minutes I could see the Sandman vs Black Spidey fight and Belltower scene coming into play not counting more incounters with Harry and the change in Peters personality well maybe 45 mintues.

Which still would leave us 45 minutes to get Brocks story in and the final battle which could give us pleanty of time to see brocks change and then you have to have Spiderman and Venom face off atleast once before the final battle because common Peter dosent know brock is Venom yet cause he swings off after thinking the Symboite is dead so you have to have a confrintation with them once letting Venom whip Spiderman and then reveal who he is and tell him he knows who Spiderman is and take MJ which leads into the final battle which will be a good 15 minutes.

Thats my opinion I am sure everyone will see differently but from what I heard with Sam saying Venom will be on more then just the last fight plus needing to establish Venom meeting Spiderman once before the final fight and revealing he knows who spiderman is and stuff. I think we will get a nice bit of screen time from him and Sam will pull this off perfectly. All in all will still be a good movie and even if Venom dosent get alot of Screen time I figure they will leave him open to use for a fourth movie if they choose to have one.
 
Like everyone else saying, it is a lot for one movie, but I do think that it will be around 2 hours and 30 minutes.
 
I would love Spider-Man 3 to be about 2 hrs. and 30 min. With all of the interconnecting storylines and Raimi's style of pacing (he never rushes a scene), this movie can definitely work, given the right running time.
 
i don't think it's too much, and I also think it would be stupid to have it say to be continued. Without a spidey and venom confrontation the movie is pointless. Venom is the outcome of what peter has done he created him, essentially eddie brock doesn't even matter it just so happen he hates peter parker also. But maybe they will mess it up, and make a sm4 with Venom, but in my opinion Venom through out a whole spiderman film is well stupid. The only way that could work would be to make spiderman 4 into a sci fi/horror movie b/c venom is a monster, and he kills ALOT! Plus what are you gonna have venom do to get him out in the open have him rob banks like Doc Ock and Sandman. You have to have two villians with venom b/c you just won't have enough plausible situations to where spiderman and venom meet, and no one wins. I mean Venom wants to kill spiderman, and unless you want a 1 scene 2 hr brawl I just don't see a whole lot of content for a Venom(as a sole villian) movie.
 
No offense Gnetic, i respect your opinion but i think your way wrong. Venom is Spider-Man's greatest foe and is a very complex character. For this movie, they're going to have to build up the character of eddie brock first, he hasnt been introduced yet so they're going to have to build up his character here. Plus they're going to to have to build up his hatred for Spider-Man, why he hates him and so on. Finally there's his transformation into venom. Venom definitly needs his own movie. The 4th movie would center around venom/eddie brock, his powers, how he basically has all of spider-man's powers but better and more enhanced, and his path of revenge against everyone including spider-man. And not to mention, venom know peter's identity so he's going to go after those closest to peter...his friends and family. Theres your palusible situations for venom and spidey to meet. Peter will have to find a way to outsmart him and defeat him once and for all. Im sorry but unless they're planning on downplaying eddie brock and venom all together it would only be right to give spidey's greatest enemy his own movie. I just dont see how they're gona be able to build up three different villains and their motivations simeoutaneously in one film...
 
there's not much left to the Harry story though...they've been building it up for 2 movies, all that is left is for Harry to take action

Sandman is a different story, but with the links to Uncle Ben's death, it could be easier to introduce him...they could simply introduce him as Ben's killer and THEN introduce him as Sandman

the symbiote is a very complex story...however, they will be building up Peter's emotional change for the entire movie, the symbiote will only AMPLIFY those feelings of jealousy, anger, and conceitedness

it's Sam FREAKIN' Raimi...has he failed to follow through yet?
 
I pray to god that they dont mess up eddie brock, i dont care about the look of venom, as long as they can justify brock's hatre towards spidey/parker and give a REAL reason to turn into a villian than im okay with venom being in this movie.
 
christpunchers said:
I pray to god that they dont mess up eddie brock, i dont care about the look of venom, as long as they can justify brock's hatre towards spidey/parker and give a REAL reason to turn into a villian than im okay with venom being in this movie.
Why, the comic books never did it, hell, I'm still waiting for a good reason?
 
chaseter said:
I have faith in Raimi...but yea this is a lot for one Spider-Man movie seeing as what we have had in the past 2 films. I think they can turn it out and still make an awesome movie. I think this film will easily be the best of the 3 and better than any other superhero movie out to date.



uuggh... Thats what they said about X-men 3 =/
 
there is alot of story to tell so think this movie will be either 2 and a half hours log or 3 hours long.
 
Visionary said:
Why, the comic books never did it, hell, I'm still waiting for a good reason?

Yup, too true. I guess they want this movie to be the last in the "trilogy" since they cant be sure the next one will follow in the same direction (cast/director), so theyre trying to cram in everything, including the one-dimensional character from the 90s known as venom. Kids will love him for his lack of subtley and his "bad-ass" image. Honestly I felt raimi should have continued off spiderman2, focus ONLY on parker/spidey and not give into to sony's demands. You cant bring in the original villians like lizard scorpian etc after you do the symbiote story, it will feel out of place.
 
Visionary said:
Why, the comic books never did it, hell, I'm still waiting for a good reason?

lol :woot: despite Venom being one of my favorite villains, I totally agree with this.
 
they worked the black suit storyline in 3 episodes of TAS so they could work this easily
 
Actually, I find the fact that Venom and Eddie Brock as a whole are so underdeveloped in the comics as a boon to see this film. It will be interesting to see the torment that drives Movie Brock to turn into Tophenom, as well as the origin he gives the symbiote and how he fleshes out the Suit's role in the ongoing story.
 

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