Arrow In your opinion who is the female Lead if there was one?

[Herolee10]

By having Felicity placed in so many "romantic ships", they've pretty much devalued her role as a crucial member of Team Arrow (which she was portrayed as during Season 1 and 2) and made her more into a object that heroes pine for where her love life and who she's paired up is more essential than her arc as an individual.

 

[Boy Scout]

Felicity is the female lead. After her, it's Thea, and then finally Laurel.

 

[Kster95]

Felicity is the female lead. After her, it's Thea, and then finally Laurel.

But how do come to that conclusion? She has the most screen time as supporting character. Any focus her character has is romance plot.

 

[Boy Scout]

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But how do come to that conclusion?

By watching the show. (I'm not trying to be a smartass.)

She has the most screen time as supporting character.

She certainly gets more attention and screen time than Laurel, who you consider to be the female lead.

Any focus her character has is romance plot.

...so? That doesn't mean that she's isn't the female lead.

 

[Kster95]

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By watching the show. (I'm not trying to be a smartass.)



She certainly gets more attention and screen time than Laurel, who you consider to be the female lead.



...so? That doesn't mean that she's isn't the female lead.

But its not screen time to the Felicity character. Its screen time to whatever couple. In almost all her scenes they are not Felicity scenes they are scenes for other characters where she plays support.

Her character doesnt have her own story lines while both Laurel and Thea do.

 

[Lencho01]

Felicity.

 

[Kster95]

Felicity.

Reason?

 

[Lencho01]

Reason?

Because she gets the most screen time.

 

[Kster95]

Because she gets the most screen time.

So quantity over quality.

 

[Lencho01]

So quantity over quality.

No, not really. "Quality" isn't really a factor.

 

[Boy Scout]

But its not screen time to the Felicity character.

That doesn't make sense. If Felicity is getting more screen time than almost everyone else - regardless of the reason - then it's time being dedicated to her character.

In almost all her scenes they are not Felicity scenes they are scenes for other characters where she plays support.

1) I would suggest you watch this season again.

2) Being the female lead and being a supporting character aren't mutually exclusive. She can act as a supporting character while still being the most important woman on the show. Laurel did it all the time in season one.

Her character doesnt have her own story lines while both Laurel and Thea do.

Her romance with Ray is a storyline. Her feelings for Oliver are a storyline. Dealing with her issues with her mother was a storyline. Her origin story was a storyline.

I think you are (understandably) equating being the female lead with having an ongoing, season long storyline that is relatively independent of everyone else and/or having more to do than all the other women. Normally, you'd be correct, but in this instance, I would argue that you're both downplaying what Felicity has already done/will do and basically just ignoring how important she's been portrayed to be on the series. I hate to say this, but it's blatantly obvious to most people that she's the female lead, and it's been a little hard for me to figure out why it's so hard for you to see why.

 

[Kster95]

No, not really. "Quality" isn't really a factor.

Yes it is. When are any of Felicity scenes about her character and not someone else's character or who she might sleep with?

 

[Lencho01]

Yes it is. When are any of Felicity scenes about her character and not someone else's character or who she might sleep with?

Doesn't matter what she's doing, she's still the lead. I found Roy's story to have better "quality" than Oliver's, but I'm not going to say he's the lead.

 

[Kster95]

That doesn't make sense. If Felicity is getting more screen time than almost everyone else - regardless of the reason - then it's time being dedicated to her character.



1) I would suggest you watch this season again.

2) Being the female lead and being a supporting character aren't mutually exclusive. She can act as a supporting character while still being the most important woman on the show. Laurel did it all the time in season one.



Her romance with Ray is a storyline. Her feelings for Oliver are a storyline. Dealing with her issues with her mother was a storyline. Her origin story was a storyline.

I think you are (understandably) equating being the female lead with having an ongoing, season long storyline that is relatively independent of everyone else and/or having more to do than all the other women. Normally, you'd be correct, but in this instance, I would argue that you're both downplaying what Felicity has already done/will do and basically just ignoring how important she's been portrayed to be on the series. I hate to say this, but it's blatantly obvious to most people that she's the female lead, and it's been a little hard for me to figure out why it's so hard for you to see why.

Her origin was 1 episode. Her mother stuff was in the same episode. But she has no other development outside of a relationship. She cant stand on her own two feet as an individual character, that is what I mean. How can you be a female lead if your character cannot stand as a individual character?

Laurel in season 3 has dealt with Sara's death, training with Ted, becoming the Black Canary, trying to avenge Sara, bonding/training with Nyssa. Plus everything she has going on with her dad.

I think you need to re watch the beginning of season 3. Its had a lot of breaks.

 

[Boy Scout]

Her origin was 1 episode.

Doesn't matter. It's still a storyline.

Laurel in season 3 has dealt with Sara's death...

Laurel has dealt with a lot. Everybody has. That doesn't make them the main character (as opposed to Oliver) or the female lead. You'll find that supporting characters in general are typically given a lot to do on television.

I think you need to re watch the beginning of season 3...

No, I don't. It's incredibly obvious who the female lead is, and it isn't Laurel. It baffles me that we're even having this conversation.

 

[Kster95]

Doesn't matter. It's still a storyline.



Laurel has dealt with a lot. Everybody has. That doesn't make them the main character (as opposed to Oliver) or the female lead. You'll find that supporting characters in general are typically given a lot to do on television.



No, I don't. It's incredibly obvious who the female lead is, and it isn't Laurel. It baffles me that we're even having this conversation.

But she has no other development outside of a relationship. She cant stand on her own two feet as an individual character, that is what I mean. How can you be a female lead if your character cannot stand as a individual character?

Just because Laurel is not Oliver's main girl doesnt mean she is not the female lead. Felicity is Oliver's support. Laurel is the female lead of the show. Thea coming before Felicity. Felicity is intertwined in Oliver's story as support, she is not manning her own story line like Laurel is.

Laurel is way more developed than Felicity and throughout all 3 seasons has had way more focus and story lines.

 

[Primal Slayer]

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By watching the show. (I'm not trying to be a smartass.)



She certainly gets more attention and screen time than Laurel, who you consider to be the female lead.



...so? That doesn't mean that she's isn't the female lead.

<< public enemy >>

Oliver: 21mins, 2secs
Laurel: 10mins, 42secs
Diggle: 7mins, 39secs
Thea: 2mins, 58secs
Felicity: 13mins, 14secs
Roy: 10mins, 39secs
Malcolm: 0mins, 6secs
Quentin: 12mins, 28secs

<< season totals (so far) >>

Oliver: 6hours, 27mins, 48secs
Laurel: 2hours, 31mins, 46secs
Diggle: 2hours, 34mins, 23secs
Thea: 1hours, 38mins, 34secs
Felicity: 3hours, 13mins, 12secs
Roy: 2hours, 25mins, 12secs
Malcolm: 56mins, 37secs
Quentin: 51mins, 5secs

May want to rethink that

 

[Human Torch]

It seems pretty obvious Felicity is the lead. She's in the show practically every week,and is given a substantive plot every week.(whether the plot is to your liking, it still exists.)

Laurel is missing from entire episodes at times. And when she's in some episodes,it's hardly always substantive. (This week for example, where she shows up to serve papers before disappearing like a ghost.)

 

[Nathan]

Huh, you're right. She had one quick scene with her father, then *poof* gone. She wasn't even there during Roy's farewell. And even Ray was there.

 

[Kster95]

It seems pretty obvious Felicity is the lead. She's in the show practically every week,and is given a substantive plot every week.(whether the plot is to your liking, it still exists.)

Laurel is missing from entire episodes at times. And when she's in some episodes,it's hardly always substantive. (This week for example, where she shows up to serve papers before disappearing like a ghost.)

Your are using that one episode as an example as it is recent in your mind. Flashback to the episode where Oliver comes back to Starling city under Waller's command, Felicity was in that episode for 1 second, Laurel was shown a bunch.

 

[Primal Slayer]

But it is like that for majority of the episodes, plus they even give her entire plots and enemies on Flash. She has a whole hr on everyone.

 

[Kster95]

But it is like that for majority of the episodes, plus they even give her entire plots and enemies on Flash. She has a whole hr on everyone.

What does Felicity do? She sits at her computer, hacking for the team that goes out. The camera pans to her all the time as she works on tracking and such.

Even with all that extra time. She still has the least focus out of all the females and the least amount of story lines. She is a big support to Oliver. Most of that time goes to her consulting other characters and being involved in their storylines but not one for herself. I dont see how she can be seen as the lead when she doesnt have a lead story line to her individual character.

 

[Boy Scout]

<< public enemy >>

Oliver: 21mins, 2secs
Laurel: 10mins, 42secs
Diggle: 7mins, 39secs
Thea: 2mins, 58secs
Felicity: 13mins, 14secs
Roy: 10mins, 39secs
Malcolm: 0mins, 6secs
Quentin: 12mins, 28secs

<< season totals (so far) >>

Oliver: 6hours, 27mins, 48secs
Laurel: 2hours, 31mins, 46secs
Diggle: 2hours, 34mins, 23secs
Thea: 1hours, 38mins, 34secs
Felicity: 3hours, 13mins, 12secs
Roy: 2hours, 25mins, 12secs
Malcolm: 56mins, 37secs
Quentin: 51mins, 5secs

May want to rethink that

I stand corrected.

 

[yonny616]

Laurel. It's always been Laurel. She's been the one with the most development and has had some of the best arcs in the show.

 

[batdude]

It seems pretty obvious Felicity is the lead. She's in the show practically every week,and is given a substantive plot every week.(whether the plot is to your liking, it still exists.)

Laurel is missing from entire episodes at times. And when she's in some episodes,it's hardly always substantive. (This week for example, where she shows up to serve papers before disappearing like a ghost.)

Felicity is the female lead. Laurel was until about the middle of season 2. I like Felicity, but the whole thing with Laurel is weird. The whole thing just seems like it happened because a stupid behind the scenes fued.