Independence Day 2? - Part 1

[Jay Beezy]

Why? Cause the original Independence Day film is like that to me. That film and Jurassic World might both have different Rottentomatoes scores, but i don't find their quality different. Was a fresh rating too much to ask? Seriously?

Not saying Rottentomatoes is always right, but with these blockbusters, i think their scores usualy give a decent perspective on what to expect. Being at 42% this early in the game is usualy a bad sign.

San Andreas started off in the 30s before going up to teetering around 50.

And so far the more reputable publications and sites have enjoyed it for what it is.

 

[Kyle]

RT has never bothered me. The critics I look to all praised it. 'The Day After Tomorrow', which is my favorite nature disaster film has the same rating and that puts it still above JPIII (which as said before was the most I was expecting). Critic snubs have always hated Emmerich, so their word meant nothing to me from the start - the ones who I was hoping for great reviews from already came and praised.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

Honestly, the reviews make this sound like it delivers exactly what anyone going to see it would be hoping for.

Yup.My only question is, does stuff blow up real good? Apparently the answer is yes. I'm in.

 

[Lord]

San Andreas started off in the 30s before going up to teetering around 50.

And so far the more reputable publications and sites have enjoyed it for what it is.

Well, you are right about that. Empire and Variety have both given the film strong scores, which usualy is a good sign.

 

[terry78]

What's the difference between Baysplosions and Emmoliations?

 

[Kane52630]

Ones shiny and the other one isnt.

 

[Jay Beezy]

Well, you are right about that. Empire and Variety have both given the film strong scores, which usualy is a good sign.

Hollywood Reporter and IGN have, too.

 

[Mysteryman]

Ones shiny and the other one isnt.

Emmerich would be the shiny one, with all of the green lasers.

 

[Lord]

What's the difference between Baysplosions and Emmoliations?

Bay has a much faster editing, and his destruction is usualy all over the place. Weather that better or worse, it depends on the film. I hated this style in 13 Hours. Emmerich's explosions are usualy shot in a traditional way.

Hollywood Reporter and IGN have, too.

IGN usualy gives questionable scores though. Didn't they give a 10 to Man of Steel and a 6 to Argo?

 

[Kyle]

What's the difference between Baysplosions and Emmoliations?

One has explosions, the other has character and heart behind it. The only Michael Bay movie that has come close for a very, very long time is the first Transformers, although The Island was entertaining.

In the original Independence Day you have the scene with the President and his dying wife, the marriage scene, as well as the scene of a father giving his life to protect his children and the world. The film as a whole is family driven, divided by the disaster and having to find their way back to one another.

In The Day After Tomorrow the whole film is divided families having to find their way back to one another, with the nature disaster playing as an antagonist and obstacle to it.

Just two examples of said type of scenes in 'The Day After Tomorrow':

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Bay it just seems is more "get from A to B to C with explosions here, there, and there!" except for the first Transformers, which I give more credit to Spielberg's involvement with it than Bay since most of the scenes in it are Amblin in nature and tone.

Basically to Bay explosions typically are the film - to Emmerich they're a part of the film while surrounded by sentimentality and heart. Some Bay films are okay, they're entertaining - but I've always loved Emmerich films a lot more because he actually makes me care all the time about what happens to these characters.

 

[Lord]

While to me it feels like i'm playing devil's advocate, Bay usualy inserts plenty of "emotional moments" too. Transformers 2 has all that whole thing of his parents not wanting him to be in danger, 3 has the main romance as a driving force of the story and then 4 has that whole talk about "family". Weather those moments are well handled, it's completely up to you (to me they don't), but they're still there.

 

[Kyle]

Bay has them in the scripts, but they never feel like they're alive or that he cares about those scenes - just there on the page so shoot them (if they weren't on the page, it feels like he couldn't care less). More like the writers care, while Bay is yawning his way through them to get to the next explosion so they mostly don't carry a lot of weight. Just compare how Bay shoots and presents the emotional scenes and how JJ shoots and presents the emotional scenes in the Star Trek - it's the same writers, just one is able to showcase the characters in those scenes whereas the other makes it come off as a pit stop. In Emmerich's films you can see that he cares about these characters and what happens to them, you could almost say they're like soap operas with explosions surrounding it (like Fast Furious are soap operas with car action surrounding it).

 

[Galactus10]

The Day After Tomorrow is one long bore of a movie.

I don't expect ID4:R to be a great or even good movie but I hope it's not as monotonous and dull as DaT.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Emmerich's movies do not have real heart.

 

[Jay Beezy]

Yeah, the difference between Emmerich and Bay is that the former gets you to care in the midst of the large scale mayhem. Fast and Furious falls into the former category as well.

 

[Kyle]

Yeah, the difference between Emmerich and Bay is that the former gets you to care in the midst of the large scale mayhem. Fast and Furious falls into the former category as well.

Exactly.

Emmerich's movies do not have real heart.

I can say they're over sentimental. I can see they're over sentimental, but I enjoy that about those scenes. Plus, you can see it's coming from a real place because, like Spielberg's usual theme, the majority of his films are about divided people and families coming together and reuniting - having that as the backbone of what he typically writes, strong chances are there's a history behind it making him focus on it (this was even the backbone of The Patriot and Anonymous (to a more Oedipal level of twisted families degree)).

Ironically, 'Revenge of the Fallen' could have been good and maybe even the best Transformer film because of it's personal connection to Bay. But, he cut out a lot to most of the story for more Bay explosions. Ironic and scary thing about that, a large part of the story was an orphan son finding out he comes from a greater dynasty. There's a lot more to it than that. But, I find it weirdly telling that when there's a character that goes through a journey similar to Bay's own - he butchers and cuts it out completely to make the fights elongated. (for those who don't know the similarity here, Bay is an orphan/adoptee who later found out that his father was someone famous in the film industry - it's basically a mirror of his own story and would have been Bay's most personal film to date - which shows what he cares about more).

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I think Emmerich and Bay are about the same. Emmerich uses less cringe-worthy 'humor,' but that's about it. I do like The Rock much better than anything Emmerich ever did though.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think Emmerich and Bay are about the same. Emmerich uses less cringe-worthy 'humor,' but that's about it. I do like The Rock much better than anything Emmerich ever did though.

Agreed, I would say the first Transformers movie was better also. But at the same time I think Day After Tomorrow is very under-rated and ID4 was a childhood favourite of mine.

 

[OcStat]

Day After Tomorrow was pretty good, if I'm flipping channel and it is on I usually put leave it there and have a good time watching it again. I did enjoy 2012 as well, it is so over the top but still has smaller scenes that resonant. And Woody Harrelson. I did like the bit about Ejiofor reading Cusack's book.

I am looking forward to watching this in the next few days.

 

[Jay Beezy]

Day After Tomorrow was pretty good, if I'm flipping channel and it is on I usually put leave it there and have a good time watching it again. I did enjoy 2012 as well, it is so over the top but still has smaller scenes that resonant. And Woody Harrelson. I did like the bit about Ejiofor reading Cusack's book.

I am looking forward to watching this in the next few days.

Ejiofor made the Emmerich material look legit.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'd take The Rock and Pain and Gain easily over anything Emmerich has done, even if I love the Patriot.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'd take The Rock and Pain and Gain easily over anything Emmerich has done.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I'd take The Rock and Pain and Gain easily over anything Emmerich has done, even if I love the Patriot.

Even Universal Soldier? Nothing is cooler than Van Damme vs Lundgren. Nothing!!!!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Even Universal Soldier? Nothing is cooler than Van Damme vs Lundgren. Nothing!!!!

I can think of plenty of things cooler then that, though as a kid I thought they were Sayians because of their eyewear, so that added to their coolness factor.

 

[Marvolo]

I like the Rock and can enjoy most of Bay's other films, but I ****ing hate Pain and Gain. Such a stupid ****ing movie with some of the most obnoxious character Bay has ever put on film.