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Disney/Pixar's The Incredibles 2 - Part 1

Even before Black Panther, I'd say a Frozone movie would make bank. Whether off the Pixar name, The Incredibles brand, or just SLJ voicing a superhero

I'm down for it
 
Even before Black Panther, I'd say a Frozone movie would make bank. Whether off the Pixar name, The Incredibles brand, or just SLJ voicing a superhero

I'm down for it

I think I worded that wrong. I meant there's no reason now on an executive level to NOT do it. No one at Disney/Pixar can say anything about lack of support for an African-American super hero movie nowadays given we saw that the make up of the cast of BP didn't hurt it world wide at all.
 
I think I worded that wrong. I meant there's no reason now on an executive level to NOT do it. No one at Disney/Pixar can say anything about lack of support for an African-American super hero movie nowadays given we saw that the make up of the cast of BP didn't hurt it world wide at all.

I agree
 
njoyed Bao. My theater was legit disturbed when you-know-what happened.

Main feature. This was good. I liked it a lot. It's probably my third favorite movie of the year after First Reformed and Annihilation (though a very distant third).

The animation is gorgeous. And the framing, the lighting, the details--there is just a higher level that Bird and Pixar are working on here when compared to most other current animated features. Some of the trailers before the movie couldn't have made that any more apparent. This isn't just talented technicians going hard on their computers. This is artistry.

The setpieces are fantastic--this is really where the film got me, the construction and editing of the sequences and the ideas fueling them delivered basically some of the best action I have seen since Fury Road. Action that puts most current live action films to shame, nevermind the animated ones. The humor is good but actually maybe not quite as effective as I thought it was going to be? Still, nothing felt too forced and there were some great laugh moments, most of them involving Jack-Jack. Jack-Jack vs. Raccoon will likely remain the best cinematic one-on-one fight all year.

Story and character--this is where the film gets a bit more questionable for me. I don't understand why this film is over two hours long, there's definitely a good half hour they could have cut out and I'm getting kind of tired of modern tentpole films giving us scenes or bits that felt like they would have been on the cutting room floor or never made it out of pre-production stages ten years ago. The characters still bring with them a lot of the charm they had in the first one, but it's almost like the film is trying to replay that instead of pushing it forward, and the whole story swings on a role reversal of the story structure of the first, which feels like a sort of oddly un-ambitious thing from Bird and also a weird approach given that it has been 14 years since the first one. There is so much to like about nearly every scene in this film but there is also a lot that is unnecessary or feels like wheel-spinning. In the first hour of the movie I really felt like things were being set up for some rich thematic and character pay-offs and... that doesn't really happen? It's not like the back-half of the movie is bad by any stretch, but Chaw's review on Film Freak Central is spot-on in how it appreciates a lot of the individual ideas that are at work in this film but admits that the end result is very muddled, like Tomorrowland. A much more entertaining and structurally straightforward Tomorrowland, but still conceptually confused.

Much has been made of how this film's villain was weaker than Syndrome in the first one but I will say that I was loving Screenslaver when Screenslaver was, uh, Screenslaver.

I appreciated some of the ideas behind Odenkirk's and Keener's characters but--and it pains me to say this, because I love Odenkirk and Keener and love the idea of them in an Incredibles movie--their characters don't really work. I thought they were working at first and interesting and I kind of loved this casual lux way that Evelyn was designed and animated even if it didn't fully fit with Keener's voice... but then the movie ends and you realize that they took up a lot of screen time and they just didn't add a lot to the movie other than the roles that they had to play in the plot, and that those roles didn't always make the most sense. Odenkirk's character turns out actually sort of has the biggest arc in the movie (which in retrospect is a pretty harsh condemnation of the other character arcs) but it's sudden and I'm not sure it's earned or that it really lands, it just kind of happens while a bunch of other stuff is also happening. Keener's character... uh yeah, still trying to work her out in my head, kind of think it's just a confused character.

Anyways, SOOOO much to love in this movie, and if nothing else its set-pieces are pure delight (I expected nothing less from Bird and co.), but yeah, it maybe doesn't quite cohere and resonate emotionally/thematically quite as well as the first one. And I think it could have been shortened and simplified a bit, but the down-side there being you lose some of that stuff to love. but this is becoming a common mantra for me these days when watching these 2-hr plus movies that don't need that length: KILL YOUR DARLINGS.
 
I really enjoyed this movie. I get what people are saying about missed opportunities and a lack of thematic resonance, but it was still a really great action film and family film. Would love it if they could do a threequel soon.





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Though, them having kids that we've never seen, that never have hung out with the Incredibles kids? That's kinda crazy. Helen would have asked how the kids were.
 
It’d be more interesting if he did have kids, they were already older and in college.

The Parr family already has shown us what having 3 young kids while super-heroing looks like.
 
Going to pass Finding Dory today for the #1 domestic total for an animated film today. Also going to cross 500m this weekend. First animated film to do that.

https://deadline.com/2018/07/ant-man-and-the-wasp-opening-box-office-overperform-marvel-1202422128/

It deserves it and more.



I think if Frozone got a spinoff or if we got a juicy subplot for him in I3 that Honey should be either a normal person or a super but they should not have kids yet. Frozone in I1 just came off as though he would be less than enthused to have kids. Seemed a bit of a player.
 
I2 made 29M this weekend for 504M domestic total. AMatW didn't break out so double feature probably didn't help too much.

575M is probably dead, unless summer weekdays really work.
 
Going to see this again, this week, along with Ant-Man and Wasp. Strangely excited for that. :funny:
 
Got my tickets booked for Saturday afternoon, released here in UK this Friday. So excited.
 
Saw it today in a 1.30pm showing with a mixed age audience, really good atmosphere.

Overall, an equal to the first but hit the notes in a different way.

Plus points

The animation was just exquisite

The family dynamic was once again 'on point'

Increased action sequences and 'supers' sequences

Heart & Soul still well in tact from the original

The 'Watchmen' feel was even more in place in some scenes, harking back to the older days and felt very genuine

Minus Points

Villain was weak and could be worked out from a few miles away

End climax was hurried and all a bit muddled in it's execution

To much 'reliance' on Jack Jack and his new powers

The 'stay at home' and men needing 'help' with parenting as a 'gag' isn't as relevant perhaps in modern society as the jokes would imply, men are competent at parenting.

In Conclusion

The first for me is/was a genre great, in my top 5 CBM's of all time, so my interest & clamour for this was HUGE, it really is the only Pixar film I wanted a sequel too, and 14 years later, it didn't disappoint. The first is Watchmen crossed with the F4, this sequel I would say is X-Men crossed with F4 via Watchmen again (only more so).
The family is expanded upon, and we spend more time with them, in their day to day life and the supers world has expanded too. The issue with legalisation of supers is covered in more depth having been introduced as a concept in the original and it's an expanded sequel with more action.

I loved the new characters and they fitted in well but because the villain was weaker than Syndrome, I think if they do a third, more thought needs to go into that area.

Overall a 9/10
 
The 'stay at home' and men needing 'help' with parenting as a 'gag' isn't as relevant perhaps in modern society as the jokes would imply, men are competent at parenting.

I think you kind of missed the point on this one. It’s not a thing for all men to feel, it’s a thing that Bob himself can’t specifically handle. He’s a fish out of water in his own home trying to do everything. He was great as a hero but not as a father and he had to learn that over the course of the film and have some more character growth.
 
I think you kind of missed the point on this one. It’s not a thing for all men to feel, it’s a thing that Bob himself can’t specifically handle. He’s a fish out of water in his own home trying to do everything. He was great as a hero but not as a father and he had to learn that over the course of the film and have some more character growth.
Yep. This is specifically a Bob thing. I really like Bob's arc. He is someone who loves being a superhero, craves all that comes with it. And after getting a really enjoyable taste of that again, he is being held back from doing it. And the reason is his own fault. Something that is hard for him to handle, while trying to be a good husband and not be jealous of his wife's success at it.

And while he is trying to come to terms with that, he is also failing at being a stay at home parent. For someone who is use to being seen as incredible at everything, it is a situation he has a hard time coping with, especially as he is confronted with a super powered baby and Violet being in a really bad place. I love that after one day he thinks he is perfect at it. And of course, that is only one day. New problems arise the next. It juxtaposes how he feels about his own superhero'ing very nicely imo. Another thing that wasn't as perfect as he thought.
 
Yeah, that's a "Bob" thing. It's true to his character from the first one, because I'll be honest, watching these movies, I always think about how I could never be married to a guy like Bob, lol. I love him as a character, but yeah. He would drive me nuts as a husband.
 
I actually really liked what they did with Bob for the simple fact that, sure, he's in over his head for bit and does get emotionally overwhelmed but he never rejects anything that comes his way. He wants to be good at this and goes whole hog in despite wanting to be out there like his wife fighting crime. And I REALLY liked that they steered clear of the "over protective dad" trope when it came to Violet, though I guess when you think about it Bob is in the luck position as a father to not have to worry about someone getting fresh with his daughter as any dude that tries to push Violet will probably end up telekinetically being smacked into a wall. Still, they didn't do the usual "I don't want my daughter dating" thing. If anything Bob was supportive of her wanting a boyfriend. It was a nice change of pace.

I agree though flick... Bob would probably be one of those "Easy man to love, hard man to live with types" were he a real person.
 
The diner scene killed both times I went to see it in theater. When Violet realizes what is going on. :hehe:
 
I see what you are all saying regards Bob and yep agree on his 'arc', but as I say, I just found it typically 'Disney' in it's gender portrayal and I get we are not watching a Mike Leigh film here, but it's so 'men do this' and how 'revolutionary' it is for women to being out to work, when it's been happening for decades, just annoyed me slightly.

They could have made the same points differently, but the Violet & Bob scene were he admits to her how 'out of his depth' he is was sweet.
 
I see what you are all saying regards Bob and yep agree on his 'arc', but as I say, I just found it typically 'Disney' in it's gender portrayal and I get we are not watching a Mike Leigh film here, but it's so 'men do this' and how 'revolutionary' it is for women to being out to work, when it's been happening for decades, just annoyed me slightly.

They could have made the same points differently, but the Violet & Bob scene were he admits to her how 'out of his depth' he is was sweet.
When do they portray it like that? Helen being chosen is only a "surprise" because Bob sees himself as the #1 hero. Superman basically. Not because Helen is a woman. Helen, a woman and Lucius, who is black, are not treated any differently from Bob, even as it is the 60s.

Also how is that typical Disney in terms of gender portrayal? What you described?
 
$856,918,492... Alright you know it'll make money. So get the hell on that sequel before we have to recast a central character like Bob or Helen.
 
The diner scene killed both times I went to see it in theater. When Violet realizes what is going on. :hehe:

Best scene ever.

I will say, having seen my roommate essentially be the stay at home dad, or the parent that handles the kids the most, I sympathize with his proposal. Even good fathers can get overwhelmed.
 
I hope we see a third film in the series, really needs a trilogy, if Cars can, films of this quality can surely, plus number 2 is tearing it up at the box office. Like the first leading into the second, the second leaves the door open for a third but I would hope if we do get one, there's a time jump this time, maybe 4-5 years into the future to allow the supers to be in the wide open world created.
 
I hope we see a third film in the series, really needs a trilogy, if Cars can, films of this quality can surely, plus number 2 is tearing it up at the box office. Like the first leading into the second, the second leaves the door open for a third but I would hope if we do get one, there's a time jump this time, maybe 4-5 years into the future to allow the supers to be in the wide open world created.

I was all for a time jump with this film but I have a feeling that this is what the concept is going into a third film. We won't ever see Jack-Jack talk or Vi and Dash in high school or Helen and Bob getting on in years I think. I would be all for it but I think that's off the table.
 

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