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Independence Day 2? - Part 2

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The characters were flat that's the main thing for me.

I was rewatching the first one today and there are so many good, funny or interesting characters in that one.

Really IDR comes off as a Liam Hemsworth vehicle. He's the only one young or old that gets a lot to do. I didn't think he was bad in this at all, but you can't have one character be interesting in a whole movie.
There were characters with funny lines but everything was on Hemsworth. And then they did the Maverick from Top Gun archetype which really just has gotten to annoy me at this point.

Oh the characters were definitely flat especially the new generation. I just didnt feel anything for them especially when things got bad. Hemsworth Just didnt work and the whole rogue top gun attitude was laughable as well as the guy playing wills kid, talk about stiff.
 
Overall disappointing -

I'd say a 4/10.

The make-up, visual effects, and that's about it, I enjoyed.

The characters were bland, they tried making the same epic moments like "Welcome to earth"*Will Smith punches alien. Happen but neither the acting or the shots they chose even really seemed that epic.

The whole new angle they took was much weaker than I thought it should be, it wasn't a horrible story, but it was a horrible script. There was no point I felt the aliens were as scary and looming as in the first one. The subtle way they came into the first one, this one just came off as 'guns blazing', and no real slow build up too it, also giving the aliens so much back story I feel hurt this more than helped it.
 
I feel like Liam Hemsworth has potential though. He's likeable in the right role. I liked him in Expendables 2, well I liked him enough that I felt bad
when Jean Claude Van Damme killed him.

He seems like a likeable actor but I dont think his roles do him justice. He played the mopey boyfriend for 4 Hunger Games movies (though to be fair, everyone was mopey in those movies), played the boyfriend in some other romance movies, and some failed thrillers like Empire State and Paranoia.
 
When are studios going to get the message that we have no interest in Liam Hemsworth?


When Australia stops importing young actors.


This decade alone they tried


Sam Worthington

Jai Courtney

Liam Hemsworth

Chris Hemsworth


They have as much charm and charisma as a piece of wood. Chris Hemsworth can barely cut in on his own when he's not doing Avengers/Thor movies.
 
I feel like Liam Hemsworth has potential though. He's likeable in the right role. I liked him in Expendables 2, well I liked him enough that I felt bad
when Jean Claude Van Damme killed him.

He seems like a likeable actor but I dont think his roles do him justice. He played the mopey boyfriend for 4 Hunger Games movies (though to be fair, everyone was mopey in those movies), played the boyfriend in some other romance movies, and some failed thrillers like Empire State and Paranoia.

I thought he did really well in this obscure movie called Cut Bank, which no one saw. I'd agree that he has potential but I feel like he's one of those guys that don't really bring anything new to the table. There are young actors out there who just have... something that sets them apart. Take Ezra Miller or Adam Driver, for example. Either of those guys just has something different that makes them interesting. But Hemsworth is just so... ordinary or something. He doesn't ruin a movie but he doesn't elevate it either.
 
Adam Driver has always been a dude who marches to a different beat. Not just form his looks but his overall demeanor. There's only one dude who sounds and acts like Adam Driver, while there are many Jai Courtneys out in the world.
 
The thing about Emmerich movies is that no matter how silly his story and characters are, he's always taken his time with them and got you to care.

Such was not the case here. Emmerich rushed through everything and gave us no reason to care.
 
Adam Driver has always been a dude who marches to a different beat. Not just form his looks but his overall demeanor. There's only one dude who sounds and acts like Adam Driver, while there are many Jai Courtneys out in the world.

Yeah, very true. Although I feel like Courtney might still have a shot to stand out if Suicide Squad is good. He looks great in that from everything I've seen. I think they finally found a character that suits his overall unlikability, lol.
 
That's because Jai Courtney just seems to do better when he's playing villains/a-holes in-general. The Divergent films, Jack Reacher (heck his role in that made me think that they should have cast him as a Terminator in the last movie, not Kyle Reese. He'd have made a damn good Terminator), and with SS by his own admission, David Ayer told him to "embrace his inner a-hole" essentially.
 
I didn't think Courtney was bad in TG. It's just that he wasn't Kyle Reese. That was my problem. He wasn't Kyle.

If he was just generic future soldier lead guy he wouldve been fine to me.

ANd as I said, I don't mind Liam Hemsworth either. I've only seen him in the Hunger Games movies where he's fine (HE isn't given much to do), EXpendables 2 for a bit, an episode of Workaholics, and then IDR.

He's nothing crazy but I wouldntt put him as bottom tier or anything
 
I don't hate him either. It's just that making him a "generic White guy pretty boy action hero" and THE lead of this movie, was a mistake imo. Tom Cruise could pull this off in Top Gun, but that was because it was the 80's and, Tom just has more charisma and personality to him. Plus, Maverick still had more dimension/nuance to him than many of the imitators, including here.

The first movie was cool because it went outside of the box with it's leading men. Will Smith as the charismatic action hero at a time when Black action hero leads were still pretty rare overall, especially in sci-fi. And Jeff Goldblum, who while he isn't a bad-looking dude by any means, wasn't traditionally "leading man" handsome in the film. And he was doing his whole "brilliant, but nervous and twitchy intellectual" schtick, which was also unusual for a leading man in an action movie. This movie feels like a regression in that regard honestly. And add to that the poor treatment of Vivica A. Fox (who was actually pretty cool and tough in movie one) and the wasted Selma Blair, Angelbaby getting next to nothing to do, etc and the regression feels even more pronounced.

And if that weren't enough, shoving Will Smith's adoptive son and Bill Pullman's daughter, who would have made FAR more sense as the new leads of this film imo, in favor of Not-Maverick, just makes no sense to me.
 
When Australia stops importing young actors.


This decade alone they tried


Sam Worthington

Jai Courtney

Liam Hemsworth

Chris Hemsworth


They have as much charm and charisma as a piece of wood. Chris Hemsworth can barely cut in on his own when he's not doing Avengers/Thor movies.

Chris does seem to have comedic chops which is a plus. He was easily the funniest part of the vacation reboot
 
I think jai courtney just needs the right role. Worthington somehow has carved out a nice resume movies wise.

Getting back on track liam wasnt believable in this movie.
 
I don't hate him either. It's just that making him a "generic White guy pretty boy action hero" and THE lead of this movie, was a mistake imo. Tom Cruise could pull this off in Top Gun, but that was because it was the 80's and, Tom just has more charisma and personality to him. Plus, Maverick still had more dimension/nuance to him than many of the imitators, including here.

The first movie was cool because it went outside of the box with it's leading men. Will Smith as the charismatic action hero at a time when Black action hero leads were still pretty rare overall, especially in sci-fi. And Jeff Goldblum, who while he isn't a bad-looking dude by any means, wasn't traditionally "leading man" handsome in the film. And he was doing his whole "brilliant, but nervous and twitchy intellectual" schtick, which was also unusual for a leading man in an action movie. This movie feels like a regression in that regard honestly. And add to that the poor treatment of Vivica A. Fox (who was actually pretty cool and tough in movie one) and the wasted Selma Blair, Angelbaby getting next to nothing to do, etc and the regression feels even more pronounced.

And if that weren't enough, shoving Will Smith's adoptive son and Bill Pullman's daughter, who would have made FAR more sense as the new leads of this film imo, in favor of Not-Maverick, just makes no sense to me.
Agreed. Especially with the bolded

But you know what's funny. Rewatching the first movie for the first time in 2 years, made me realize Will Smith is kinda like 3rd lead in the movie imo. The last main character to be introduced, other than the dogfight he sits out most of the action until the climax.
Still a fun performance though.
 
Yeah but even Bill Pullman isn't exactly your traditional leading man either. One, he's a bit older (or at least made to look so) than your average action hero. And they play up him as a "tired weathered guy" who isn't especially popular (there's a news broadcast early on in the movie that mentions his administration not having particularly high approval numbers). And it's really only in the climax that he has his big moment of awesome, which was kind of the point.
 
Oh Im not disputing who looked like/was a traditional leading man or not. I was just saying Will Smith was like the 3rd lead.
 
I like Sam Worthington a lot in supporting roles. And he was good in Man on a Ledge, and Avatar too I suppose.
 
I finally saw this unholy mess. If any of you want my full review, please youtube these following words: Nicholas Cage Losing His Sh**
 
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Hahaha I will definitely look that up. This movie can't get bashed enough.
 
Saw the movie. Not as good as the first but the final alien battle alone was worth it.
 
It will be interesting to see if they move ahead with a sequel. Initially I figured it was dead, but Resurgence passed $300 million WW last weekend and looks likely to end up in the same ballpark as Edge of Tomorrow and Pacific Rim. So maybe Fox pushes on...not a slam dunk either way.
 
Saw this tonight, overall found it very disappointing, God knows I have disagreed with critics a lot this year, but I didn't on this one. The story was good, but the execution was really off, and I think others have said this, but the new characters/ younger generation I just didn't care for what so ever. It was no where near as good as the first movie, it had nine of the great action or tension, or great characters, very, very average. Some sequels should just never be made, 5/10.
 

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