Indiana Jones Reboot

[jmc]

Cuaron, Nolan, Del Toro, and Affleck off the top of my head.

Nolan is the obvious one. Cuaron is going to depend on what he does next I think. Del Toro I think is questionable given he's really hit and miss for some people. Affleck maybe, I could definitely see him becoming Scorsese-like for this generation depending on his next few directing jobs. I think O'Russell and Aronofsky are potentials too.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think you guys are ignoring the most popular ones, yet not as liked by fanboys as Michael Bay Hell, we've already seen some Bay copycats already

For visual style, certainly. Michael Bay is very good with the visual aspect of filmmaking. But, I don't see him being influential beyond that. All his films are poor from a story/characters stand point, save for few exceptions like The Rock.

 

[Lord]

His story is weak, that is very true, that doesn't stop Battleship and filmmakers like Jonathan Liebesman from being heavily influenced by him. Influention isn't allways just about the good aspect of previous filmmakers, plenty will try to make Bayesque types of extravagansa films. And even then, technically, the Director of District 9 and Nolan have admited to being Bay fans. And from what i hear, both Bay and Nolan are part of the studies in most filmmaking schools with ties to Hollywood.

I definitelly see him having a bigger impact than J.J.Abrams or Guillermo Del Toro, though i see the former becoming more of a cult type of director. By the way, does anyone have a take on Sam Raimi? Is that Director going to be remembered as more than the Evil Dead guy? Many already seem to be forgeting his contribution to Spider-Man and the superhero genre itself.

 

[jmc]

Thing with Bay is that he's not really the kind of director most up and coming filmmakers want to emulate. I honestly don't think Bay is ever going to be remembered fondly outside of audiences who just accept his films for what they are. Creatively his films are a mess, if anything he showcases the worst of film making outside of visuals.

 

[Lord]

Thing is, as i said before, many up and coming filmmakers are indeed emulating him.

 

[DA_Champion]

Narratively, they might be more influenced by TV, since TV is where the best writing is these days. It's extremely difficult to name movies of the past twenty years that compare favourably to The Wire, True Detective, and Mad Men in terms of character work. Apparently Breaking Bad and The Sopranos were good too.

Re: some of the names mentioned in the past page:

JJ Abrams: He may become like M. Night Shylaman if he screwed up Star Wars as badly as he did Star Trek into Darkness. M. Night was also going to be the next Spielberg.

Joss Whedon: That would be too bad, as he was a much greater artist in the period 1995-2010 than he is now. Nobody of sound mind familiar with his works argues that Avengers is on par with Buffy/Angel.

Michael Bay: He doesn''t just get visuals, he also understands sound.

Cuaron: Maybe.

Christopher Nolan: Extremely highly-rated among males younger than 30. Just check his IMDB ratings. I think every single one of his movies is in the top-250 of all time, and he has the top 3 comic book movies.

David O. Russell: Don't know, but I lost respect for him after watching Silver Linings Playbook.

 

[Lord]

I see Quentin Tarantino inspiring many new filmmakers too.

 

[DA_Champion]

I see Quentin Tarantino inspiring many new filmmakers too.

That's what I hear from people who have been in film school. Rejecting Tarantino is ... very unpopular.

 

[Lord]

Though the opinion can change in some places, the younger cinema snobs in places like 4chan seem to be tired of his style, the farther you go from Hollywood film schools the harsher opinions you see of American Directos, only ones i see getting general love are people like Kubrick and David Fincher.

 

[DA_Champion]

Though the opinion can change in some places, the younger cinema snobs in places like 4chan seem to be tired of his style, the farther you go from Hollywood film schools the harsher opinions you see of American Directos, only ones i see getting general love are people like Kubrick and David Fincher.

Just look up the Sight and Sound polls of the best movies. Of the top-10 movies of 2012 and 2013, only 3 of the 20 movies are American (Gravity, The Master, and Moonrise Kingdom).

In fairness, there are some great movies made overseas, and as the United States continues to decline economically international movies will continue making inroads not just in North America, but in other international markets as well, as in you'll see Japanese movies doing better in Europe and that sort of thing.

You mention David Fincher, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is considered a Hollywood joke among the Swedish people I know, because it was completely unnecessary as a perfectly adequate Swedish movie had just been made.

As for Stanley Kubrick ...

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[Lord]

Yeah, most of the films i watch are actually American Blockbusters though, my knowledge about what is happening more inside the "high class cinema" clubs is very superficial.

 

[DA_Champion]

Yeah, most of the films i watch are actually American Blockbusters though, my knowledge about what is happening more inside the "high class cinema" clubs is very superficial.

Same here, I feel kind of bad about it.

A couple recommendations: City of Life and Death (Japan), C.R.A.Z.Y (Quebec).

 

[Lord]

Thanks for the recomendations, i'm actually trying to broaden my horizons on Hollywood movies themselves before moving on to other countries. I guess major budgeted films are just a lot of fun.

Another name that could become influential is Brad Bird.

 

[Schlosser85]

Michael Bay represents some of the worst of American filmmaking. Even his special effects are like big splashy globs of CGI vomited all over the place, and his fight scenes are incoherent. He's not a good action director despite it being his niche.

 

[jmc]

Thing is, as i said before, many up and coming filmmakers are indeed emulating him.

I'd hardly say it's many. And besides we're talking 20-30 years from now. If Bay has any influence it's only going to be over the short term and that's going to be mostly studio driven. The closest thing we have to a director that emulates Bay whilst also trying to make a good film is Zack Snyder.

 

[jmc]

Maybe this discussion needs it own thread.

 

[Lord]

Michael Bay represents some of the worst of American filmmaking. Even his special effects are like big splashy globs of CGI vomited all over the place, and his fight scenes are incoherent. He's not a good action director despite it being his niche.

I liked his action in The Rock, Bad Boys II and Transformers 3, they were quite coherent.

I'd hardly say it's many. And besides we're talking 20-30 years from now. If Bay has any influence it's only going to be over the short term and that's going to be mostly studio driven. The closest thing we have to a director that emulates Bay whilst also trying to make a good film is Zack Snyder.

Well, Nolan and the Director of District 9 already seem influenced by him, i don't think his influence will be short-term. He has clearly left a mark on the industry, even Ed Wood ended up influencing some filmmakers, even if only on how to make a film.

Zack Snider is pretty much like Michael Bay when it comes to extravagansa, difference is that he's not as insulting with his style and iin least Bay admits that what he's doing isn't smart films. I don't think he tried to mimicj Michael Bay in The Man of Steel, seemed to me like he was tryng to be like Christopher Nolan, but he's not good enough for those types of movies, so it ended up feeling Bayesque.

Maybe this discussion needs it own thread.

Probably, yeah. Speaking about Ed Wood, one person may end up being another inspiration too due to his style:

Tim Burton

 

[terry78]

Many avant garde directors can't direct action for ****. It is what it is. They need second units and what not.

 

[Lord]

Would anyone like to see an Indy film where the villain is Hittler himself? Or would that be going too far?

An idea that i think has a lot of potencial for an Indiana Jones film is the Spear of Destiny, there are actually many rumors that during WWII, Hittler was searching for it, and i has been pursued in some stories set in that time.

 

[Goshdarn Batman]

Would anyone like to see an Indy film where the villain is Hittler himself? Or would that be going too far?

An idea that i think has a lot of potencial for an Indiana Jones film is the Spear of Destiny, there are actually many rumors that during WWII, Hittler was searching for it, and i has been pursued in some stories set in that time.

There's a comic book called Indiana Jones and the Spear of Destiny.

 

[Lord]

I know, but i do think that if they went with more movies, that could be a good story to pursue, Indiana Jones's expanded universe is also going to suffer the same think Star Wars's did, but considering it's much smaller, it will just probably be more restricted for the movies with a tie-in here and there.

 

[Lord]

But if it feels like retreading old ground, then there are plenty other ideas to pursue, just found out about the 1938-39 German expedition of Tibet, it was apparently their most ambitious expedition, seems like a good excuse to call Indy there and explore the mythology of Tibet.

 

[Goshdarn Batman]

Indiana Jones and The Dinosaurs from Outer Space!

 

[Octoberist]

Would anyone like to see an Indy film where the villain is Hittler himself? Or would that be going too far?

An idea that i think has a lot of potencial for an Indiana Jones film is the Spear of Destiny, there are actually many rumors that during WWII, Hittler was searching for it, and i has been pursued in some stories set in that time.

I kinda like the fact that, in most cases, Hitler has NO idea what the heck is going on. He might of signed it off the missions (Can you check out that Ark thingy? And why not that Holy Grail too. Bye) but that would be the extent of it.

I think that scene in 'Last Crusade' really nails it home. He doesn't know who the heck Indiana Jones is. Also it just shows how big the Nazis are, and how many branches were present.