The Dark Knight Intensity of Fight sequences in TDK!

[Nepenthes]

^ don't think so. Read the thread harder, you'll find better explanations

 

[dark_b]

So what are you trying to say? Nolan shot up close with quick edits because he wanted to deny the audience seeing an incredible fight scene?! That doesn't make any sense. Don't you think if he could have shot it otherwise he would have? It was to hide the limitations of the suit and not take you out of the fantasy of the film.

i would belive this if i wouldnt seen the stuntguy in the suit performing some badass s....
the suit was not the problem IMO.

nolan wanted that we are in the midde of a sreet fight.

 

[lujho]

Did anyone else see the French parkour guy in Die Hard 4 and think "Batman"? Yet another example of some very bat-man esque stuff that we should see in a Batman movie - other films doing it better than Nolan did, sadly.

There's one shot in particular where the guy jumps on to a fire escape from another building and then hops from handhold to handhold from there. Not only is the move incredibly cool but the way it's SHOT is cool too. A singe unbroken shot, dynamic, moving camera, etc.

There's another bit towards the end where the guy does some very cool moves, almost apelike/Tarzan like.

And the guy was played by Cyril Raffaelli, who was one of Batman's stuntmen in Begins. Gah, what a waste of potential, for Nolan to have that guy and not better utilize him.

In fact, God bless Youtube, here's a clip of all the stuff I just mentioned:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sySPta2y-9U

(PLEASE, someone, how do I embed youtube videos?).

It's a crime to not give Batman that kind of grace and fluidity. Not JUST fluidty in what he's doing but in how it's filmed. This disjointed **** is just too ****ing much. To ONLY depict Batman in that way (rather than occasionally/sparingly), simply sucks frankly, and is a poor depiction of the character.

And it's NOT the suit's fault. Not primarily anyway - the suit can do a lot more than we were allowed to see in Begins. It's Nolan's fault.

 

[Crook]

Blame the stupid suit.

 

[co2]

^ don't think so. Read the thread harder, you'll find better explanations

Carefully read back through 12 pages worth of post to prove a point about a movie about a comic book? Ya know..I'm really not that interested. I guess I'll take your word for it.

 

[Hole Shot]

I watched Hot Fuzz the other night and thought about this thread.

OH! And I saw Bourne Ultimatum last night and there's an example of where I LOATH the close in quick cut fights. At least when Nolan used that style the fight scene itself was very brief, but Greengrass just beat the fight scenes to death. It'd be a one-on-one fight lasting for minutes in that style and you prayed for it to end.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

So what are you trying to say? Nolan shot up close with quick edits because he wanted to deny the audience seeing an incredible fight scene?!

No. He did it because he can't shoot a fight scene.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

So what are you trying to say? Nolan shot up close with quick edits because he wanted to deny the audience seeing an incredible fight scene?! That doesn't make any sense. Don't you think if he could have shot it otherwise he would have? It was to hide the limitations of the suit and not take you out of the fantasy of the film.

Ah, so NOW the film is a fantasy?

Make up your mind.

About the "limitations of the suit", meh. I've seen movies where people fight with suits even more limiting, i.e, Kurosawa's ones.

Nolan is unable to shoot a fight scene, PERIOD.

 

[Luchastyle]

Ah, so NOW the film is a fantasy?

Make up your mind.

About the "limitations of the suit", meh. I've seen movies where people fight with suits even more limiting, i.e, Kurosawa's ones.

Nolan is unable to shoot a fight scene, PERIOD.

well maybe he didn't know how to shoot a fight scene because it was pretty much his first time. or perhaps he had an editor who didn't cut it well. i don't know. but i think he will alter his shooting style for the fights in TDK.

 

[co2]

Ah, so NOW the film is a fantasy?

Make up your mind.

About the "limitations of the suit", meh. I've seen movies where people fight with suits even more limiting, i.e, Kurosawa's ones.

Nolan is unable to shoot a fight scene, PERIOD.

Make up my mind?! When did I say otherwise?
You need to read the thread harder.
All comic boook movies have a fantasy element. You do realise you are on a board dedicated to comic book movies don't you?

 

[thegameq]

Again, with films like Spiderman, Superman, and even the Matrix...we can suspend disbelief. Those movies are full on fantasy where the protagonist has a fantastic orogin that sets him apart from the average man. Batman is not that kind of hero. He's just a man.
This is especially true with Nolan's realist style. you can't have it both ways. You can't appreciate all the added realism that Nolan brings to the batman franchise, and expect Batman to easily beat 20 guys while wearing a 50 lbs rubber suit. The only way to make it realistic is to bring the camera in close. You may not like it, but it was still a creative decision; it wasn't just Nolan being neglectful. He's not that kind of filmmaker.

In other words, he used that editing style to hide the unrealistic choreography.

 

[Octoberist]

I would like to see Nolan step out and do more wideshots of the fights, along with better editing, so it doesn't seem so choppy.

Like what I've said before, I didn't mind the fights in 'Begins' until the 'train fight with Ra's'. It wasn't well shot with that particular style due the lack of space and the setting.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

Lack of space? Setting? Aw, c'mon. HK movies have fights on cubicles that are WAY better than that.

 

[saint sinner x]

I don't count batman beating up joker in a Interagation room as fighting, simply because joker was getting his ass owned by bats, he was taking abuse and batman wasn't fighting. I know there going to use keysi as the fighting style I don't care about that, but has Nolan mentioned anything about the editing this time around? or structure of the fighting? Damn we truly absolutely do not know anything about this film, I hope they don't get too cocky and mess it up. Does Nolan even knows that most of the audience and fans didn't like the fighting?????

 

[Numez]

i like the shot of batman jumping on that car.

 

[Morg]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=261052

 

[Samurai Pasta]

I don't think that any of the live action Batman movies have great fight scenes.

 

[MiniBond]

I don't think that any of the live action Batman movies have great fight scenes.

Mmmh the fight between Bats and the Joker goons in Batman89 were pretty good (the one in the streets or in the cathedral)!

But true that the Batfilms never got a distinction for their fighting sequences. On the other hand it's not exactly why I go to see a Batmovie !

 

[Infinity9999x]

If Nolan can come close to the awesomeness that was the fight scene in Bourne Ultimatum, then I'll be a very happy man.

 

[MiniBond]

If Nolan can come close to the awesomeness that was the fight scene in Bourne Ultimatum, then I'll be a very happy man.

He tried this kind of stuff in BB but it wasn't properly done ! Maybe he should let the fight scenes to a second unit/action designer like DAN Bradley !

 

[Naite22]

I have no idea why it's become so ****ing trendy to make fight-scenes in movies these days at such close range! The camera is always in close-up so you can't focus on **** and the only thing it provides is a headache! They also did it in TransFormers as it's ****ing annoying!

I truely hope that they pan out the camera for the fight-scenes in TDK! They searched the globe for a unique fighting-style to be used in BB, and when they finally found it, what did they do!? They went in for a total close-up so you can't see what's going on; then tell me, what's the freaken POINT!?

If they pan out the camera for the fights in TDK, than the intensity WILL follow! I hope we get some glimpses of this in the next trailer!

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Batman shouldnt be so much about the action as for example, spiderman, imo.
I thought the bb fight scenes were great.

 

[roony]

I think the fights scenes should be shot the same as Casino Royale, particularly the stairwell fight. That was brutal yet easy to follow.

 

[Gianakin_]

100% agreed.

 

[sasquatchs]

Definitely carry on with the scaring thugs s**tless from above then dropping down from the darkness to pick them off one at a time. Although the way they filmed it in Begins felt a little like a cheat for me, they were in a small room yet the thugs were as confused as the audience. Not sure where they're going with that brightly lit penthouse fight for TDK, I guess Batman doesn't have time to play games with the lights when Joker is terrorizing guests. Hopefully the club scene has some nice theatricality though.

Keep the speed just show Batman in full frame and more than one move per shot = perfection