The Dark Knight Intensity of Fight sequences in TDK!

[Crooklyn]

Well, kid...

The scenes, while being shot close in proximity, still gives you a vision of what is going on. Meanwhile, during the action scenes we are talking about, Batman has a clear and distinct visual style of fighting.

You can see things being hit, people being ruffled, and then a whole bunch of speedy editing all in between.

But CLEAR, no less...DISTINCT fighting style? Are you magically seeing some other film here? Cause apparently you're in the great minority. At this point, you're --

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I doubt that Nolan is going to put those elements in his universe. I think the Joker is going to end up more in the "sireal killer" type of villian.

I figure there's a way to do it without going over-the-top. I mean the Joker IS about trickery, and we know that element of the Joker is going to be there, at least in the traditional manner from his earliest appearances -- which would be much the same as The Joker's Five-Way Revenge or even the TAS "Laughing Fish" episode - Joker setting up a crime, basically committing it beforehand with no noticeable effect until a preordained time, then announcing that it will happen at said time and waiting for all the pieces to click. If he's that much the trickster, it's possible Nolan's Joker could be creative enough to make a weapon out of whatever is handy, or to carry a couple of items that can be applied as weapons in unexpected ways. Doesn't mean he's carrying a gun with a BANG flag or a rubber chicken stuffed with ball-bearings... not that I think the idea of a rubber chicken sap isn't awesome (it totally is) but that I do doubt Nolan's Joker is gonna do that. Still, you'd be amazed what you can do with a bag of marbles and jacks.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

You can see things being hit, people being ruffled, and then a whole bunch of speedy editing all in between.

Make no mistake, Crook, it's there.

You're right that you don't get to see specifically how Batman takes down each guy. It all happens so fast and so many of the shots are closeups of elbows and fists and forearms connecting with various body parts. So you're right, it's not set up so that we can easily follow the series of moves he uses to take any one person down.

On the other hand, there's plenty of information there to give you a sense of the style and rhythm of the fights. You do see the kinds of attacks he uses, even if you don't follow the exact combinations. You do see the way he moves, even if you don't see exactly what he does.

I couldn't tell you how he took down any one character, but I can tell you what his movements look like. And I would totally notice if it wasn't retained for the next film.

 

[Crooklyn]

If they use a totally different element of fighting...then fine, I'll give you that. But how many fighting styles use the defend-attack-defend method like Keysi? TONS.

So in that respect, the only thing they need to keep consistent is the concept of Batman utilizing the quickest and most effecient means of taking down an enemy. As I said previously, Bourne Identity's fighting style, which uses Kali, is very similar to this. And imo, it looks more brutal and simultaneously looking stylish. Perfect combo right there.

 

[Dangerous]

Basically keep Kensi as Batman's fighting style as that worked great and actually looked like a hybid martial art. It looked exciting too.

For the angles used, keep the close up stuff.
But maybe a few far out shots would not hurt.

 

[SuperAl]

the fight scenes from the first film were way to close up and chaotic. It was extremely hard to see what was going on, besides that Batman or Bruce was kicking ass. There were certain scenes that fit with that kind of filming like the first time we see batman but there were some like the first fight in the prison which couldve all been shot from a far angle. Also the final fight on the train wasnt that great becuz of the close up shots also. It kinda took away from the action scenes, because the audience could hardly tell what was happening. Im guessing some of the problem was that he didnt have great movement in the suit so they decided to use a lot of close up shots.

hopefully in the next film with the more fabricky suit, they'll be able to shoot some fight scenes at a decent distances, where you can actually see what was going on. I loved the first film, but they definitely need to improve the action scenes

 

[Nepenthes]

I just had a thought....



the fight scenes in BB were too choppy and close-up. They should fix that in TDK

 

[Dark Knight]

Wide and clear is entirely against what Nolan was going for though. I loved that Batman comes out of nowhere and dispatches everyone before anything can develop. I don't want Batman in full view very often. Just needs to slow down the cuts a little.

Slowing down the cuts would be a huge improvement alone.

 

[Dark Knight]

No. Just... no.

Crackers, anyone?

I thought the kILL Bill fight sequences were really well done. Except for the over the top parts.....but otherwise very intense and you felt like you were there. I like the amount of blood shown also....except for the over the top scenes of course.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I thought the kILL Bill fight sequences were really well done. Except for the over the top parts.....but otherwise very intense and you felt like you were there. I like the amount of blood shown also....except for the over the top scenes of course.

ALL of Kill Bill's fights were over-the-top... that was the point of Kill Bill.

 

[Dark Knight]

ALL of Kill Bill's fights were over-the-top... that was the point of Kill Bill.

Not all....come on....

 

[speedracer216]

the violence/action should be basically the same, just pull the camera far enough back so we can see it.

in the first film he was going for the fear aspect so he kept the camera close so that we, like the villains, would feel like we had no idea what was going on it all happened so quickly. that won't be the same this time around i don't think.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Not all....come on....

I can't remember a single one that wasn't basically a cartoon (and meant to be).

 

[Darkest Knight]

I'm not grasping or reaching for anything that isn't there. As Keyser explained, you don't have to see exactly in its entirety what moves Batman makes to take down each indivudalized opponent, in order to notice a distinct form of fighting from Batman. I don't know if you think I am arguing that Batman's moves are clear, or whether it was clear he had a distinct form of fighting. And I am arguing the latter.

I said the scenes were shot ridiculously close, with fast editing. However, you can notice a distinct fighting style from Batman. There is a theme to all his movements. Elbow, forehead, forearm, etc. Many attacks were based off these types of movements. You didn't have to see a zoomed out shot of the fight, or slow motion for each move, to know that he had a series of patterned movements in his fighting style.

 

[dark_b]

has anyone any videos of keysi? i only found the batman keysi fighting.

 

[The Sage]

has anyone any videos of keysi? i only found the batman keysi fighting.

Youtube has vids of the Keysi trainers from BB doing it. Haven't seen any others.

 

[Bale]

I just had a thought....



the fight scenes in BB were too choppy and close-up. They should fix that in TDK

They will fix that, that was the point I missed.
Batman did some superhard kicks, usin ellbow etc..but the audience missed it. They didnt see it, the camera,the editing...the audience in my cinema asked: Whats going on there ?

I think they should fix it and there is some shooting needed, like the S.W.A.T unit hunting Batman and shooting ...

 

[Bale]

I just had a thought....



the fight scenes in BB were too choppy and close-up. They should fix that in TDK

They will fix that, that was the point I missed.
Batman did some superhard kicks, usin ellbow etc..but the audience missed it. They didnt see it, the camera,the editing...the audience in my cinema asked: Whats going on there ?

I think they should fix it and there is some shooting needed, like the S.W.A.T unit hunting Batman and shooting ...

 

[Nepenthes]

hunter rider
razor edged playing cards,acid/smoke flower,electric shock buzzers on his gloves

Kritish
I doubt that Nolan is going to put those elements in his universe. I think the Joker is going to end up more in the "sireal killer" type of villian.

You mean like beating people with a box Cheerios, suffocating them Fruitloops, stabbing them with little toys? ha!


I'm so not funny

 

[Katsuro]

I'm so not funny

Just as long as you realize that.

 

[THE MR. TERRIFIC]

Nolan needs to take action direction from Martin Campbell (Casino Royale). WIDE, CLEAR shots please.....no quick, close shots like in Batman Begins. the fight scenes were one of my only gripes about the movie...

I agree totally!!!

 

[xanberkeley]

I too like the fight scenes in Casino Royale and even that of MI-3 especially the elevator scenes with Agent Hunt.

Nonetheless Nolan's action direction is kinetic and exciting which is rare among superhero incarnations. Burton was at a loss with the action while Schumacher was perfunctory. Nolan knows the adrenaline level with interesting camera angles,strong editing and effective special effects light on the CGI ,heavy on the models and working gadgets all contributing.
I want some improvement though.

 

[D.P.]

In a realistic way of course

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkBkZpK-fYQ

I thought this was damn amazing...

From YouTube:

Makoto Nagano is a 34 yr old fisherman. Recently he succeeded to complete the last phase of the Japanese game show: Ninja Warrior. Of more then 500 contestants only 1 other man completed it before he did!

Def. worth a look

Ninja feats > Roof jumping

 

[french joker]

not me

 

[IamtheBatman]

Bats has enough training he doesn't need anymore.