The Dark Knight Intensity of Fight sequences in TDK!

[GoogleMe94]

Nolan's got an excellent sense about how to handle action. I thought the action in BEGINS was perfect. He has talked about it at length on the DVD. It was fast, brutal, and gritty. Remember, "this is not a dance."

well, nobody liked it. these films are meant to enjoy and see whats going on. whats the point of haveing fight scenes if you cant make out anything.

 

[Visionary]

I think the fighting style and the intensity was just fine. Just pull the damn camera back so we can see what the hell is going on.

If the fighting was just fine, he wouldn't need to pull the camera back. Then again, who is Bats gonna be fighting in TDK? A highly skilled martial artist/combat fighter fighting The Joker, I don't know.

 

[Joe-ker]

If the fighting was just fine, he wouldn't need to pull the camera back. Then again, who is Bats gonna be fighting in TDK? A highly skilled martial artist/combat fighter fighting The Joker, I don't know.

The Joker NEVER fights fair!

 

[GoogleMe94]

It's funny to say they looked fake when the shots were edited at a very fast pace. Just doesn't make sense, it works only the other way around. Were it's so slow and setup you can see were the punch is pulled and guy pretends to get hit.

i found them fake and cheey because it just didnt show anything. i remmber a part where batman in BB raised his arm to look like he was gonna slam someone, but then the next shot he was like bent all thw way over. like, what? what just happend? i also remember that whole thing where batman pulled out his grapple gun and the next shot is it somehow knocked on the rail and then they fly over the balcony. i was like, WHAT. JUST. HAPPENED? just weird.

As for the flying.............I guess we could have it like the comics were when he does "fly" he uses a full on hang glider.

i didnt mean not to fly with the glider, or glider cape. i always liked batman haveing a glider cape ever since Returns. i meant those parts where batman would grab a thug and somehow "fly" away with him. like that one thug who had the machine gun, that part cracks me up. or when he said "nice coat" and just floated up and away. it didnt make sense, even to the viewer. for a while i was like, how did he just glide away like that? there was no grapple rope or anything. it looked like he wasnt even flying, but like floating. just looked dumb.

 

[Crook]

i didnt mean not to fly with the glider, or glider cape. i always liked batman haveing a glider cape ever since Returns. i meant those parts where batman would grab a thug and somehow "fly" away with him. like that one thug who had the machine gun, that part cracks me up. or when he said "nice coat" and just floated up and away. it didnt make sense, even to the viewer. for a while i was like, how did he just glide away like that? there was no grapple rope or anything. it looked like he wasnt even flying, but like floating. just looked dumb.

Hm. I actually went back to my HD version of the film, and slow-mo'd the "I'm Batman" scene to screencap and prove there was a grappling line...but you're right. It's never seen.

I had always assumed it was there, but looking back at it, it does look like Batman just flew up.

 

[Joe-ker]

Hm. I actually went back to my HD version of the film, and slow-mo'd the "I'm Batman" scene to screencap and prove there was a grappling line...but you're right. It's never seen.

I had always assumed it was there, but looking back at it, it does look like Batman just flew up.

I was actually always under the assumption that there was a line as well. Perhaps that is the intended gimmick, even if it isn't visible. Meaning that the idea is, no one can tell when he's using his gear... that's what makes him so mysterious. Kind of a "how does he do that?" feel.

 

[Crook]

Oh, I definitely get the intention. But perhaps it should be executed better as to not be so easily flawed. For example, the scene takes place outside, near the docks. Even if the line were hidden, there'd be nowhere to attach it too. Not to mention that he's in open space, there isn't exactly anywhere he can go and disappear in plain sight.

I wonder what would happen if that scene continued after the homeless man looked up to see where Bats went.

"Hey, you're kinda....just hanging there. Need help?"

 

[redlion2]

If the fighting was just fine, he wouldn't need to pull the camera back. Then again, who is Bats gonna be fighting in TDK? A highly skilled martial artist/combat fighter fighting The Joker, I don't know.

I said fighting STYLE. The way Batman was fighting was good, it was the camera work that wasn't ideal, it was too close.

 

[Joe-ker]

Oh, I definitely get the intention. But perhaps it should be executed better as to not be so easily flawed. For example, the scene takes place outside, near the docks. Even if the line were hidden, there'd be nowhere to attach it too. Not to mention that he's in open space, there isn't exactly anywhere he can go and disappear in plain sight.

I wonder what would happen if that scene continued after the homeless man looked up to see where Bats went.

"Hey, you're kinda....just hanging there. Need help?"

Now THAT would be HILARIOUS!
Bale could kinda wave his hands at that point and try a whole "You don't see me thing"

I never considered it being so far out in the open, with nowhere to hang from. That's the problem with Batman and Spiderman type heroes... put them out in the middle of Kansas, with no skyscrapers... and they lose alot of their mystique...

 

[GoogleMe94]

maybe he was hooked to a crane or something....i have no clue. but i think he also would have looked cooler if he he spread his cape out as he flew back up instead of looking so limp. ya know, like in B89 when he rose from the steam.

 

[sasquatchs]

It's one of those cheap moments that's best forgotten, just doesn't fit the tone

 

[Joe-ker]

maybe he was hooked to a crane or something....i have no clue. but i think he also would have looked cooler if he he spread his cape out as he flew back up instead of looking so limp. ya know, like in B89 when he rose from the steam.

Cool... definitely... but that would be purely for effect. To develop the force it takes to lift a human body, you'd have to have a serious thermal and some serious surface area. Even gliders that rise on thermals require forward motion in order to accomplish that. It's a function of angle of attack and relative airspeed. Batman, as near as I can tell, relies mostly on the blunt body drag of his cape to slow his descents or to manuever, so we're talking about a whole different type of locamotion.

Sorry... I geeked out for a sec

 

[Mr. Socko]

Oh, I definitely get the intention. But perhaps it should be executed better as to not be so easily flawed. For example, the scene takes place outside, near the docks. Even if the line were hidden, there'd be nowhere to attach it too. Not to mention that he's in open space, there isn't exactly anywhere he can go and disappear in plain sight.

I wonder what would happen if that scene continued after the homeless man looked up to see where Bats went.

"Hey, you're kinda....just hanging there. Need help?"

Exactly. Batman "flying" always kinda bothered me. When he grabs Falcone, and went straight up, just where did he go? I can only assume the grapple gun was wrapped around a crane very high up, so like you said, did he just stop there with Falcone in his hands.

If the homeless man kept looking up he'd have seen Batman hanging to a crane with Falcone.

 

[Luchastyle]

yeah, but obviously spider-man has that same problem with webslinging. it's best not to think about it.

 

[Joe-ker]

yeah, but obviously spider-man has that same problem with webslinging. it's best not to think about it.

They call it "willing suspension of reality" correct?

 

[xXx]

I want the fight scenes for active. People shouldn't be talking as much as they do during the fights...

 

[Mr. Socko]

As for the actual fight scenes, I actually thought they were pretty cool in Batman Begins. Yes, they were hard to see but they were done that way for a reason. Some like it, some don't. I thought it showed Batman to be very quick and quite powerful. The fights were from the perspective of the goons. In TDK, I want some to remain the same but as well as a few that are pulled back.

 

[GoogleMe94]

the whole fight with ras at the end was shot so poorly, its so hard to watch. i get headaches just thinking about that fight. i couldnt make out anyones moves. one minutes batman is n the ground, next minute bats is standing up ready to slap something, then a second later dives onto something. it was hard to tell what was going on.

 

[Gianakin_]

As for the actual fight scenes, I actually thought they were pretty cool in Batman Begins. Yes, they were hard to see but they were done that way for a reason. Some like it, some don't. I thought it showed Batman to be very quick and quite powerful. The fights were from the perspective of the goons. In TDK, I want some to remain the same but as well as a few that are pulled back.

Agreed, but I think they overdid it in the beginning (prison) and in the Ra's fight.

 

[GoogleMe94]

actually, i thought the begining fight in the jail was the only decent fight scene in the whole film. i could kinda make out what was going on. if only the rest of the fight scenes were like this one. maybe it had something to do with it being shown in daylight while the others were in the dark pretty much.

 

[Gianakin_]

My most tolerable fight was the Batman vs the 4 Ra's goons fight ("I can't beat 2 of your pawns?")

 

[sasquatchs]

Who is Batman going to fight in this film anyway? They've bigged up his fight skills so much that 4 out-of-town ninjas at once is the only challenge. I guess that's what Michael Jai White was hired for, but a one on one with this Batman should be over in seconds.

That leaked Joker still puzzles me, how did one of his goons get the upper hand on Batman?

 

[Gianakin_]

By fighting dirty? Who knows? And nobody say "Flass knows"!

 

[Joe-ker]

Who is Batman going to fight in this film anyway? They've bigged up his fight skills so much that 4 out-of-town ninjas at once is the only challenge. I guess that's what Michael Jai White was hired for, but a one on one with this Batman should be over in seconds.

That leaked Joker still puzzles me, how did one of his goons get the upper hand on Batman?

As I've said before, Joker doesn't fight fair!

 

[Naite22]

If they would just pan out the camera, the intensity will surely follow! And for some reason I believe that's exactly what they've done for the sequel! I remember so incredibly many reviews commenting on the fact that the camera was too much in close-up during the fighting, and that was a flaw... If Nolan read all these reviews than he and the team MUST have taken that into consideration for TDK; if they're smart!

But other than that, I truely can't find another criticism about BB, even if I tried hard! HAHA! The movie is pure gold! The writing, the directing, the editing, the cast (minus Katie Holmes because she's too much of a little girl) is all in top-shape! It doesn't get better!