Iron Fist Iron fist Costume thread

[Darepool]

Are we surprised? I didn't expect it in this, but I do expect it in some capacity for the Defenders....I'll probably be disappointed then.

 

[marcvader]

Welp, this confirms no costume
http://mcuexchange.com/no-costume-mask-iron-fist-yet-according-showrunner-scott-buck/

Not happy with his answers at all. I hope this is not the first Marvel Netflix I don't like. After Daredevil this was the next hero I was anticipating the most when the line up was announced.

 

[Web-Head]

Not happy with his answers at all. I hope this is not the first Marvel Netflix I don't like. After Daredevil this was the next hero I was anticipating the most when the line up was announced.

Yeah, I haven't been a big fan of what Buck's had to say about the series so far.

Wonder what this will mean in his handling of Inhumans as well.

 

[Darepool]

I think it'll all work out fine aside from the 'costume wait'. The trailers were downright disappointments for me but the recent featurette was magic and hit all the right notes.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Welp, this confirms no costume
http://mcuexchange.com/no-costume-mask-iron-fist-yet-according-showrunner-scott-buck/

I thought it was interesting in two areas: One, the idea that he needs to find himself before he can take on a superhero identity. Second, there's the idea of him placing his identity at risk being someone rich and famous. I think, in this case, the people he's going against already know who he is.

Of course, in the comic, the idea was that it's a ceremonial costume of the Iron Fist from K'un Lun, which I think addresses both these issues. I've maintained they just need to give him his robes they show in the trailer (although I wish the colors were reversed so the yellow-green was on the trim and the darker green on the robe itself) with a mask. I think they still could do that next season if they want to, but it means he likely isn't getting a costume in Defenders either.

 

[Dark Raven]

This is taking the idea of "earning his costume" to the extreme.

Maybe he needs to also earn the right to shave off his beard otherwise it will feel empty.

 

[Darepool]

You gotta earn yer spandex on these mean streets!

 

[TheVileOne]

Scott Buck really let me down today with the costume news.

 

[McSir]

Yeah, I've had the suspicion that we're going to be in for a pretty generic series for a while now, between Marvel stressing "realism", the underwhelming trailer, and now this news. I feel like they didn't have anyone with a vision and passion stepping up for the project like the show-runners for Jessica Jones and Luke Cage did so they gave the keys to someone dependable with decent credits who wouldn't combat what Marvel wanted to do. I dunno, I'm getting major Thor: TDW vibes here.

 

[Dark Raven]

If he doesn't have a vision, then that doesn't bode well for the Inhumans.

And Iron Fist with no costume makes this like any other martial arts series or film. There's nothing to set it apart since other people have displayed this same power. And as for him as a person, he's pretty much Oliver Queen and we've already seen this with Arrow.

 

[Panacea]

I think the costume is a pretty trivial detail in the grand scheme of things.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think the costume is a pretty trivial detail in the grand scheme of things.

Why?

 

[Ghostcrow13]

If he doesn't have a vision, then that doesn't bode well for the Inhumans.

And Iron Fist with no costume makes this like any other martial arts series or film. There's nothing to set it apart since other people have displayed this same power. And as for him as a person, he's pretty much Oliver Queen and we've already seen this with Arrow.

If your costume is setting your tv show apart you don't have a worthwhile tv show.

 

[McSir]

It's just not the costume, it's the general attitude they seem to have about this whole thing. His costume isn't that hard to pull off and the fact that they apparently aren't going to try makes me wonder how much of the fantastical stuff they're going to cut out. You can only trim down so much before it becomes unrecognizable.

I don't understand the desire to make it "grounded" and "gritty"; I've always thought those terms showed a lack of confidence and a certain disrespect for the source material, it's why I don't care for the Dark Knight trilogy.

To me, based on what we know about this, it feels like the same thing as Daredevil season two.

 

[Dark Raven]

If your costume is setting your tv show apart you don't have a worthwhile tv show.

I'm not talking about it standing out or being set apart as a quality show. I'm meaning that without the costume, it's just another martial arts action drama like any other, but with the names and personal circumstances changed, and nothing we haven't seen numerous times before .

It's generic enough now that if someone else were to go and make another show about a rich white billionaire who returns with martial arts skills after having been missing for a number of years, I doubt Marvel would be able to really say that they've copied the premise of Iron Fist, especially since it's now such a common trope apparently. And they already have done that with Arrow, so we've seen this before.

And people being able to channel their chi into an iron fist has also been done before. Sammo Hung did that very thing in the final episode of Martial Law, and he was just a regular Hong Kong cop, not someone who was eventually meant to become a superhero.

 

[Mike Murdock]

If he doesn't have a vision, then that doesn't bode well for the Inhumans.

Except one is ABC, the other is Netflix. Netflix may be the ones reluctant to go too far into the costume side of things.

And Iron Fist with no costume makes this like any other martial arts series or film. There's nothing to set it apart since other people have displayed this same power. And as for him as a person, he's pretty much Oliver Queen and we've already seen this with Arrow.

Well, it's set apart because it's in the MCU and will lead to the Defenders team up. Aside from that, Iron Fist was basically a martial arts series when it started. Part of the reason for creating him is Marvel was diversifying in case the superhero bubble popped (seriously, if read as a superhero story, the original Marvel Premiere story is kind of awkward but, when read with martial arts tropes in mind, it fits much more smoothly). I have no problem with them going back to their roots even if I wanted to see the costume too (although I maintain they basically have a perfectly fine costume in the trailer if they just added the mask).

 

[marcvader]

I'd be happy with the yellow monk gi. I don't want to see a guy with the physique of a 14 year old running around with pajama pants as our hero.

 

[ArcherFan]

Except one is ABC, the other is Netflix. Netflix may be the ones reluctant to go too far into the costume side of things.



Well, it's set apart because it's in the MCU and will lead to the Defenders team up. Aside from that, Iron Fist was basically a martial arts series when it started. Part of the reason for creating him is Marvel was diversifying in case the superhero bubble popped (seriously, if read as a superhero story, the original Marvel Premiere story is kind of awkward but, when read with martial arts tropes in mind, it fits much more smoothly). I have no problem with them going back to their roots even if I wanted to see the costume too (although I maintain they basically have a perfectly fine costume in the trailer if they just added the mask).

I'm actually in full agreement - especially since, as you mentioned, his costume was supposed to be the 'ceremonial' outfit of the Iron Fist. Cause ceremonies are all about them disco collars. :P

Joking aside - there's also the fact that in the modern MU, Danny doesn't have much of a secret identity. And in the original stories, he was more of a man on a mission to avenge the death of his father than a man who cared about money and protecting his secret. He didn't really see a need for the secret to be kept.

Hell, he hung out with Luke in costume and out. It's not really hard to figure out that the shorter white-boy hanging out with Luke Cage was the same. Mask or no.

And I'm suddenly picturing William H Macy as the Shoveler in Mystery Men, asking Captain Amazing if he's Lance Hunt...

While I would love a costume, eventually, just for the flavor...I'm not going to let it's appearance, or lack there of, bias my feelings on the show before I've even seen it.

 

[MadVillainy]

I dont get the aversion to some version of the costume

Not happy with his answers at all. I hope this is not the first Marvel Netflix I don't like. After Daredevil this was the next hero I was anticipating the most when the line up was announced.

I havent watch the trailers so I cant call it when it comes to what I personally think of the show, but I fully expect it to be the first disliked show critically, especially with people complaining about the "white savior" stuff.

 

[Darepool]

That would seriously suck if the first dud of the Netflix shows happened just before the Defenders. Talk about a momentum killer. I don't think it'll happen, but the fact that they struggled finding the right 'vision' for this show is a tiny concern still..

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't think it would've been too difficult to find the right vision. It's just that Scott Buck couldn't find it. I don't know if his lack of a vision could be a concern for the Inhumans.

 

[Darepool]

I don't think it would've been too difficult to find the right vision. It's just that Scott Buck couldn't find it. I don't know if his lack of a vision could be a concern for the Inhumans.

I assume the problem was finding the balance between the mystical elements of IF and the pre-established dark, gritty/realistic tone of the Netflix 'verse. There does seem to be a capacity to overthink these things at times, even for Marvel. Just go with it and people will follow suit. It's called thinking yourself into a box.

 

[guyisnotcool]

I don't think it would've been too difficult to find the right vision. It's just that Scott Buck couldn't find it. I don't know if his lack of a vision could be a concern for the Inhumans.

Imagine the Inhumans not having costumes either.

 

[metaphysician]

Most of the Inhumans don't really have costumes, in a meaningful iconic sense. They tend to be defined much more by the physical aspects of their powers. Only real exception is Black Bolt.

Which doesn't mean they shouldn't have suitably Kirby clothing, but clothing is not costume.

 

[psylockolussus]

This is why I am not a big fan of these Netflix shows. Iron Fist was my most anticipated out of the four... But it looks like they are also limiting this when it comes to costume department.

Scott Buck better not do this to Inhumans!