Iron Fist Iron fist Costume thread

[javonstokess]

when exactly? I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but I'm curious when exactly you think a mask was NEEDED in all capital letters

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In the first episode when he was running from Meachum's men, he put on a mask to hide. That would have been an awesome moment for him to pull the mask out of his pocket. Another time was when he was at the docks with Colleen, by that time he was famous and trying to get his company back. Last time I can think, off the top of my head, was when they were in China (Japan?) looking at one of Ghao's buildings.

I'm certain there are at least 3-5 other times a mask would have helped, especially considering his abrupt fame for returning to the dead.

 

[marcvader]

Or how about the mere fact he is the champion of K'un Lun and that the mask is a ceremonial part of this position. He wears it when representing K'un Lun in the tests by the hand.

 

[javonstokess]

Or how about the mere fact he is the champion of K'un Lun and that the mask is a ceremonial part of this position. He wears it when representing K'un Lun in the tests by the hand.

Jeez, that was extremely easy

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

In the first episode when he was running from Meachum's men, he put on a mask to hide. That would have been an awesome moment for him to pull the mask out of his pocket. Another time was when he was at the docks with Colleen, by that time he was famous and trying to get his company back. Last time I can think, off the top of my head, was when they were in China (Japan?) looking at one of Ghao's buildings.



I'm certain there are at least 3-5 other times a mask would have helped, especially considering his abrupt fame for returning to the dead.

again, a bright yellow mask at a stealth mission is a very stupid idea, so let's scratch the docks off the list. it made sense he didn't wear one. I have no idea what he would have gained wearing the mask in China. The Hand already knew he was Rand so it wouldn't be for hiding his identity and it wouldn't be for stealth reasons. Again, it's bright, it's yellow, it draws attention.
The only two instances I recall, were a mask might have worked were the K'un L'un flashback were he already guarded the entrance and maybe - as a nod to the comics - at the Chinese parade in episode 1. It turns out we got the nod to the comics in episode 10, so the parade nod would have been redundant. but that's just my feeling about that subject. I don't think, other than the flashback in episode 11 really, the story needed (or NEEDED) the mask.
It would have been nice to see it, sure. It might've helped with the stunt choreography, but I don't really see a place or time in the show where it was really NEEDED

 

[javonstokess]

again, a bright yellow mask at a stealth mission is a very stupid idea, so let's scratch the docks off the list. it made sense he didn't wear one. I have no idea what he would have gained wearing the mask in China. The Hand already knew he was Rand so it wouldn't be for hiding his identity and it wouldn't be for stealth reasons. Again, it's bright, it's yellow, it draws attention.
The only two instances I recall, were a mask might have worked were the K'un L'un flashback were he already guarded the entrance and maybe - as a nod to the comics - at the Chinese parade in episode 1. It turns out we got the nod to the comics in episode 10, so the parade nod would have been redundant. but that's just my feeling about that subject. I don't think, other than the flashback in episode 11 really, the story needed (or NEEDED) the mask.
It would have been nice to see it, sure. It might've helped with the stunt choreography, but I don't really see a place or time in the show where it was really NEEDED

The mask they used in that old film clip was not "bright yellow".

Also, like I said, it wasn't about masking his identity from the Hand, it was masking his identity from the world. Wouldn't exactly look good for the newly returned billionaire to be running around kicking citizen's @$$es. There were at least 5-6 ways to do it to make sense for the character.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Or how about the mere fact he is the champion of K'un Lun and that the mask is a ceremonial part of this position. He wears it when representing K'un Lun in the tests by the hand.

yep, could have worked.

 

[spidey-dude]

I wasn't sure about how they could do the mask but the behind the scenes 1940 mask looks great - they just need to use it for Defenders and I will be happy

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm not holding my breath for Defenders. If the showrunners said something to indicate it could happen, that'd be nice.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

He rocks the robes and mask as a way to pay homage to K'un Lun. Even though he's not guarding the entrance he hasn't forgotten where he came from and so on and so forth.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I wasn't sure about how they could do the mask but the behind the scenes 1940 mask looks great - they just need to use it for Defenders and I will be happy

They basically did it on DD season 1.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I'm not holding my breath for Defenders. If the showrunners said something to indicate it could happen, that'd be nice.

It's such an important moment for Danny Rand and I can't imagine them not doing it in an Iron Fist season.

 

[spidey-dude]

They basically did it on DD season 1.

yeah but I didn't think it would look good in yellow

The iron fist mask looks good in that dirty yellow, and looks like it is wrapped around so has an extra texture

 

[Pokkle]

He will probably get the costume in season 2, I don't think he will gain it in Defenders.

 

[TheVileOne]

It's such an important moment for Danny Rand and I can't imagine them not doing it in an Iron Fist season.

If it's so important why didn't it happen this season? Not to mention, we had everyone saying, "just wait he's getting the costume! He's definitely getting it!" It never happened.

Since it already got thrown out the window, what assurance do we have it'd ever happen in season 2 or Defenders?

 

[Mike Murdock]

I put no weight on people who haven't seen the show saying "he's definitely getting the costume," so I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I know me (and probably others) said not to rush to judgment about whether it'll appear because they could be saving it, but that's different from saying they're definitely saving it for the end.

As for why it didn't happen, it's precisely because of its importance. They don't think he can slap on the costume because he wants to wear a costume. They have to build it up for some reason as a climactic moment. The show had another focus. Defenders will have to focus on everyone. I'm certainly not saying I agree with them. I'm trying to explain their logic. The fact is, Daredevil spent much of the season exploring the issue of a costume, both from a practical body armor sense and in the symbolic sense. He also wore a disguise throughout the show before he changed the look of his disguise. Iron Fist did none of that.

What assurance do we have that it will happen in season two? Absolutely none. In fact, the only thing we have to go by is Finn Jones not thinking it'll be there in season two (that being said, I don't think he has any more weight than people who said he'll get the costume since the scripts haven't been written). I'll be disappointed if it doesn't happen in season two, but we don't have any assurances. However, there's greater reason to think it'll happen in a season two that can look at this season and think about the feedback it generated than a Defenders show that has already wrapped production. Season two sets itself up well to add the costume both with Danny thinking more about K'un Lun and what it means to be an Iron Fist and because of his interactions with Daredevil wearing a costume.

I've said before that I thought they could easily have fit the costume into episode six and episode 13 without changing much of anything in the story. However, the Easter Egg WWII footage would have lost much of its impact (I realize you probably think it was a waste anyway, I thought it looked cool and fit the story they told very well).

 

[Brian Braddock]

The [lack of] costume issue is so big now that it cannot have escaped those involved with the production. I'm clinging to the hope that an acknowledgement of the issue along with Scott Buck moving from the show could mean that they revise their plans. Although I suppose I shouldn't be holding my breath.

 

[metaphysician]

While I think "no costume, no Iron Fist" is laughably wrong, I also think the show didn't do itself any favors, on three counts.

1. A costume would have helped them on a practical level, vis a vis swapping in stuntmen. Passing on it didn't just have aesthetic effects, it also probably made the quality of kung fu worse.

2. They not only skipped the costume, they didn't even really lean into it stylistically. Some of the times he dressed up for kung fu could have at least hinted at the styles and colors from the comic, but instead its really really bland.

3. To add insult to injury, they *did* include the costume. . . sort of. Just not for Danny at all.

Basically, it didn't feel to me like they were skipping the costume for solid creative reasons. Its not even clear they skipped the costume for *stupid* creative reasons. It just feels. . . random and lazy and indifferent. Like much else about the show.

 

[TheVileOne]

I put no weight on people who haven't seen the show saying "he's definitely getting the costume," so I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I know me (and probably others) said not to rush to judgment about whether it'll appear because they could be saving it, but that's different from saying they're definitely saving it for the end.

As for why it didn't happen, it's precisely because of its importance. They don't think he can slap on the costume because he wants to wear a costume. They have to build it up for some reason as a climactic moment. The show had another focus. Defenders will have to focus on everyone. I'm certainly not saying I agree with them. I'm trying to explain their logic. The fact is, Daredevil spent much of the season exploring the issue of a costume, both from a practical body armor sense and in the symbolic sense. He also wore a disguise throughout the show before he changed the look of his disguise. Iron Fist did none of that.

What assurance do we have that it will happen in season two? Absolutely none. In fact, the only thing we have to go by is Finn Jones not thinking it'll be there in season two (that being said, I don't think he has any more weight than people who said he'll get the costume since the scripts haven't been written). I'll be disappointed if it doesn't happen in season two, but we don't have any assurances. However, there's greater reason to think it'll happen in a season two that can look at this season and think about the feedback it generated than a Defenders show that has already wrapped production. Season two sets itself up well to add the costume both with Danny thinking more about K'un Lun and what it means to be an Iron Fist and because of his interactions with Daredevil wearing a costume.

I've said before that I thought they could easily have fit the costume into episode six and episode 13 without changing much of anything in the story. However, the Easter Egg WWII footage would have lost much of its impact (I realize you probably think it was a waste anyway, I thought it looked cool and fit the story they told very well).

How do you know they truly or think that and are planning for him to wear it at all?

 

[Mike Murdock]

I don't. What in my post makes you think otherwise? I said that there will be more pressure for him to wear it and their excuse of it not fitting will work less now that he's more established. I also think the hints at it have laid the groundwork necessary.

I can say with 100% confidence that there is a greater chance of Danny Rand wearing the costume in season two than season one.

 

[ohiostate124]

I believe there was an interview with Charlie Cox about the Defenders saying that he and a Danny would be the only costumed heroes.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Basically, it didn't feel to me like they were skipping the costume for solid creative reasons. Its not even clear they skipped the costume for *stupid* creative reasons. It just feels. . . random and lazy and indifferent. Like much else about the show.

Nailed it. It felt like their mindset was "This costume is gonna be tough to do. Screw it. It's not like we have the time, budget, or inspiration to pull it off anyway."

 

[TheVileOne]

I believe there was an interview with Charlie Cox about the Defenders saying that he and a Danny would be the only costumed heroes.

There is no such interview. A lot of fans have pointed this out but it's inaccurate. He talked about it at a fan panel. But was more of a speculative offhand remark. If you actually watch his statement at the panel, it wasn't a firm confirmation. It was also well before filming even started.

 

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[spidey-dude]

Nailed it. It felt like their mindset was "This costume is gonna be tough to do. Screw it. It's not like we have the time, budget, or inspiration to pull it off anyway."

it's not even that as they actually came up with the only tough bit, the mask!

That would have been a better reason

 

[javonstokess]

I maintain that they didn't even need the full uniform during the show.

Just the iconic mask alone would have been more than enough. It's practical considering how much but kicking this pretty famous billionaire was doing without any real consequence.

I mean, just that alone points to how rushed the writing and production of this show was. No disrespect to the showrunners, but it's clear that this show didn't really have a vision prior to production beginning. It was more "let's get this show out cause we need it for Defenders".