BvS Is anyone else not excited about Superman and Batman? I feel nothing but dread. - Part 1

[Mysteryman]

I'm sorry, but that is bull ****. Nolan was more than faithful to the source material, more than he needed to be if I'm honest.

He is probably talking about the decision Bruce made at the end of the film.

 

[Loki882]

Bruce has retired before (Beyond being the obvious one).

 

[Tempest]

Now that is a scary thought - WB doesn't think Snyder and company botched things. It explains a lot though.

I didn't know you had so much experience in marketing films, running a studio, writing scripts, or casting people. Tell me, what part of the movie industry are you involved with again?

So you didn't like MOS. Get your red briefs unknotted, and wait another 15 years for the next Superman film, ok?

Ahh, another day in paradise!

Hey, you.

Oh please, comparing IM to twilight is the dumbest thing that I've ever heard. IM 1 was a great film, period. Why people feel the need to constantly take shots at Marvel in order to prop up DC and vice versa, I will never understand. TA was a great film, not Marvel Studios movie was objectively bad (I have issues with IM 2/3, but they weren't terrible). Also, I find the extreme pessimism over this to be astounding. It really does seem that no matter what the filmmakers do, people will find SOMEHING to complain about. We know very little about this movie, all of these criticisms are seriously jumping the gun.

Hey, now. I was going to compare Iron Man to Blades of Glory at first. You should be grateful for the Twilight comparison.

 

[regwec]

Bruce has retired before (Beyond being the obvious one).

That's a slightly false parallel. Bruce was geriatric in Beyond, but was still effectively involved in his mission, anyway. He just couldn't be Batman.

I imagine EssayM was talking about comicbook Batman, anyway.

 

[jmc]

He is probably talking about the decision Bruce made at the end of the film.

I honestly don't see how that matters all that much.

 

[BlueLantern]

The most amusing thing of this is that some people defending the movie are just dripping with vitriol. Most people who disliked the film are being quite honest about it and not trying to personally offend people, but it's a one way street in that sense. Pretty silly. Differences of opinions aren't personal. Especially concerning a film.

 

[regwec]

As a generalisation, I find that statement very wide of the mark.

 

[Marvin]

Hey Blue, are you talking about on these boards or in general?

 

[BlueLantern]

Just these boards. People off the boards have already forgotten this movie came out.

 

[Marvin]

Just these boards. People off the boards have already forgotten this movie came out.

I see, though I'm sure as with the discussion when the film had just come out, the vitriol goes both ways, one just needs to look. It's the internet.

Considering this films sequel was covered on cnn a few weeks ago, I find that ironic that people have forgotten about it., it does happen though.

 

[BH/HHH]

Why would they announce another Superman film after Flash and JL? We're getting a Superman sequel in 2015....

Also they haven't even announced Flash or JL in 2016 & 2017. Its all just rumours. Also with them deciding to do the Flash as a TV series I'd say the movie is on the back burner for now.

 

[Tobias]

Also they haven't even announced Flash or JL in 2016 & 2017. Its all just rumours. Also with them deciding to do the Flash as a TV series I'd say the movie is on the back burner for now.

It may be they hold off from formally greenlighting JL until they see how WF does.

I think their top priorities are Batman first then JL. It wouldn't surprise me if Batman 1 is formally announced and precedes JL. They really don't have to wait on WF to go ahead with the new Batman franchise - Batman sells - as in tickets.

Speaking of TV, given there may not be a Superman stand-alone again or for a long time, how about a Superman TV series?

 

[BH/HHH]

It may be they hold off from formally greenlighting JL until they see how WF does.

I think their top priorities are Batman first then JL. It wouldn't surprise me if Batman 1 is formally announced and precedes JL. They really don't have to wait on WF to go ahead with the new Batman franchise - Batman sells - as in tickets.

Speaking of TV, given there may not be a Superman stand-alone again or for a long time, how about a Superman TV series?

I'd love another Superman series but while he's on the big screen I just can't see it happening unfortunately.

 

[Tobias]

I'd love another Superman series but while he's on the big screen I just can't see it happening unfortunately.

Well if they just use him in team-up films from now on that may not be the same as if there was an ongoing stand-alone Superman film franchise.

 

[Loki882]

They are doing A SM/BM movie, that may not even be a team up. We have no idea what their future plans are, nor do we have any evidence that they won't make any more Superman solo movies.

 

[Tobias]

They are doing A SM/BM movie, that may not even be a team up. We have no idea what their future plans are, nor do we have any evidence that they won't make any more Superman solo movies.

The problem is, indeed, we don't know if there will be more stand-alones or not. The news/rumors can be interpreted different ways regarding the franchise's future.

Snyder's comment did not help.

Many fans are worried about the franchise - just go to the premier Superman site (SH) and read the comments.

The impression is out there with some that MOS was a disappointment to WB financially and that Batman is being brought in to salvage the next film.

Impressions take on a life of their own. I just read this at a movie site.

"Production on the Batman-assisted sequel to Man Of Steel is expected to begin next year and Warner Bros are targeting a summer 2015 release date"

http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/br...f-steel/316548

WB needs to get on top of this from a publicity standpoint - nip it in the bud.

How?

Have Snyder announce that, after WF and JL, another stand alone Superman film is planned.

Even if that is not the case, remember they announced an SR sequel which was probably never in the works anyway, it gets WB on top of the PR situation re: MOS.

 

[Destructus86]

I'm sorry, but that is bull ****. Nolan was more than faithful to the source material, more than he needed to be if I'm honest.

Yeah, not even close.

 

[georgec]

They are doing A SM/BM movie, that may not even be a team up. We have no idea what their future plans are, nor do we have any evidence that they won't make any more Superman solo movies.

If I had to guess MoS2 will lead into JL, then after that another Superman solo movie could be possible.

But how does one do a JL movie without properly introducing all the members in prior solo films?

 

[godisawesome]

Wellllllll....

Have Lex Luthor inform Batman that there's some parts of the world that are still unexplored while he keeps two Amazons on the payroll, have Deathstroke say that he read a report on some female only island that returned a thought dead naval aviator, and have Batman announce he's going to seriously look into that at the end of the film to foreshadow Wonder Woman. You could also suggest that Brainiac or whoever the villain is may have attacked Earth once before and sunk an entire city beneath the waves after giving it advanced technology...

Have an increased Sci-Fi feel to the world in the wake of MOS, and have a character mention that if there was one alien species out there asides from us and our visitors, they probably heard the Kryptonian machines kick back into gear and know we're out here. And for all we know, they're might be some kind of UN force out there looking to recruit from us now.

And flat out state that more people are following Superman and Batman's example of heroism after a rash of escalating criminal cases using the hi tech weaponry reverse engineered from MOS.

 

[Juha Bach]

The problem is, indeed, we don't know if there will be more stand-alones or not. The news/rumors can be interpreted different ways regarding the franchise's future.

Snyder's comment did not help.

Many fans are worried about the franchise - just go to the premier Superman site (SH) and read the comments.

The impression is out there with some that MOS was a disappointment to WB financially and that Batman is being brought in to salvage the next film.

Impressions take on a life of their own. I just read this at a movie site.

"Production on the Batman-assisted sequel to Man Of Steel is expected to begin next year and Warner Bros are targeting a summer 2015 release date"

http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/br...f-steel/316548

WB needs to get on top of this from a publicity standpoint - nip it in the bud.

How?

Have Snyder announce that, after WF and JL, another stand alone Superman film is planned.

Even if that is not the case, remember they announced an SR sequel which was probably never in the works anyway, it gets WB on top of the PR situation re: MOS.

Tobias, Do you honestly think WB gives two ****s about the comic book fans ? Do you honestly think that they are having headaches because the minority in a superman forum are disappointed they are not getting a stand alone superman film? Do you think that because of that they will squander a great chance to make a billion dollars? As all of us here know the GA is what matters. Even you the most pessimistic person in this forums can not deny that this project is great financial decision. They will make money coz thats what they are here to do.

 

[kguillou]

Let me ask you guys something, although this may or may not be the right thread to ask this but, looking back on all the rumors upon rumors upon "he said/she said" that happened this year regarding Justice League.....do you think any of it was true or had ANY substance? I sometimes wonder if Warner has even thought about Justice League sometimes and these rumors literally just fabricated out of nothing and then just snowballed from there. I say this because I feel like Latino review started this whole craze and then there was never an official aknowledgment from anyone, Christian Bale has said he'd never even been approached about it, when the rumor came about that Ben Affleck was approached to direct affleck himself had no idea what anyone was talking about, Nolan sounds like he's never even considered it or heard anything....I dunno, I sometimes wonder if this is all in our heads sometimes.

 

[Tobias]

Let me ask you guys something, although this may or may not be the right thread to ask this but, looking back on all the rumors upon rumors upon "he said/she said" that happened this year regarding Justice League.....do you think any of it was true or had ANY substance? I sometimes wonder if Warner has even thought about Justice League sometimes and these rumors literally just fabricated out of nothing and then just snowballed from there.

I think there was some truth to it. I got a sense they would do 2 stand-alone MOS films followed by the Batman re-launch and then JL.

They issued a new JL toy-line earlier this year and it was supposedly early prep for the JL.

Its hard to know what to believe as to what is going on. In June I read a story we'd see multiple MOS sequels and soon. But that was wrong.

The one thing that is a constant is WB wanting to do JL all the way back to shortly after SR. I guess we will see it sooner than later.

I am sure he will be asked about the MOS, Batman and JL franchises at his next appearance at a comic book event. He's busy writing WF with Goyer now so I don't know when his next public appearance is. I hope Steve Younis eventually gets an interview with him cause he is asking some of these same questions.

My total guess: WF, Batman1, JL, Flash solo, JL2, Batman2.

 

[EssayM]

He is probably talking about the decision Bruce made at the end of the film.

I was more talking about the overall tone and style (although I didn't much like the ending to TDKR either, but that's another story). To me, Batman stories have always had a colorful, exaggerated quality to them. I'm thinking of stuff like TAS, the Arkham games, even stuff like TLH and the Hush storyline had a little bit of that in there, particularly in the artwork. The Nolan films, by contrast, were more down-to-earth and muted; even the Joker and Two-Face weren't as wild and crazy as they normally are. Again, that was fine for what Nolan wanted to do, but even he admitted he wasn't trying to tell a conventional Batman stories.

 

[Marvin]

I have similar gripes with the nolanverse but even I will admit that his take on joker was at least as good if not better than much of the source material.

This is probably what morrison thinks as well given his sentiments on Begins vs TDK in brief.
Love that Joker.

 

[EssayM]

Nolan's Joker was incredible, though I do prefer the well-groomed suit-wearing kind of Joker.
Still, Heath worked excellent for the world they created.