BvS Is anyone else not excited about Superman and Batman? I feel nothing but dread. - Part 1

[doobie]

I'm new to this film - has it been confirmed that Luthor is in this and not saved for the 2nd solo MOS film? Because I strongly believe MOS Luthor should get his own solo epic battle with Superman like Joker and Batman had in TDK. Not being crammed into a team up film. That would take away a lot of the "opera" and drama IMO. I would much prefer if this film uses a DCU villain and not steals the solo MOS series Clark/Lex showdown.

Also, I hope it's more team up than "Vs". I'm sick of seeing them fight in the comic and I'd rather they just come to a tense alliance early on.

Like in that John Byrne 80s comic where Batman caused Superman to keep away from him by telling him he had a bomb attached to an innocent wired to a sensor on his body, that would go off if Superman touched him, and Superman lie-detected Batman with his powers and saw he was telling the truth. Of course he did not know the innocent was Batman himself. Something clever like that would be cool. But not some ridiculous big fight where Batman uses seismic charges to knock him over etc.

 

[regwec]

The difference is, I think, that The Joker can appear out of the air like a genie and sow evil and chaos everywhere. He doesn't need an explanation, he just is.

Luthor is much more a human being that we can recognise in our own society. He is the arrogant, self-righteous, self-made man. In his own mind, he IS Metropolis, until Superman shows up and threatens all that. For that dynamic to be realised, Lex has to be properly and incrementally introduced. Before the kryptonite comes out, we need to know who he is and his relevance. I think SuperBats is a good opportunity for the audience to meet Lex.

 

[Tequilla]

I think i'm starting to feel a little dread. First Man of Steel , then knowing Goyer will be involved, and finally this whole Affleck business.

Things certainly dont look good.

 

[Marvin]

I think i'm starting to feel a little dread. First Green Lantern , then knowing Greg Berlanti will be involved, and finally this whole Reyonlds business.

Things certainly dont look good.

fixed

 

[manofsteel4life]

fixed

Lol

 

[DA_Champion]

I'm hoping for no additional villains cluttering the plot. Just have a character-driven, superman vs batman film.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I think i'm starting to feel a little dread. First Man of Steel , then knowing Goyer will be involved, and finally this whole Affleck business.

Things certainly dont look good.

If Affleck has ANY part in the writing process, we'll all be eating our words

 

[StarvingArtist]

Depressing how little excitement I feel for any of this stuff after seeing Man of Fail. Man oh man, was I a huge Superman fan. I still am I guess, but as far as films go, I'm done getting my hopes up.

 

[JangoNate]

It's important to note that if we accept the source saying this was the plan since MOS production ended, the other important detail from it is that this was Snyder's plan and not the studio's. this is Snyder's vision, love it or hate it.

Personally, I don't know how you can't have other super heroes pop up after the Man of Steel (what a sweet film). In the comics it happens all the time, ESPECIALLY with Batman and Superman. It might just be a cameo, but it's super frequent and when you pronounce a shared universe, it's a bit jarring for it not to. Look at the IM3 film and the complaints from fans that SHIELD or another hero didn't show up to help considering what was going on.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

It's important to note that if we accept the source saying this was the plan since MOS production ended, the other important detail from it is that this was Snyder's plan and not the studio's. this is Snyder's vision, love it or hate it.

Personally, I don't know how you can't have other super heroes pop up after the Man of Steel (what a sweet film). In the comics it happens all the time, ESPECIALLY with Batman and Superman. It might just be a cameo, but it's super frequent and when you pronounce a shared universe, it's a bit jarring for it not to. Look at the IM3 film and the complaints from fans that SHIELD or another hero didn't show up to help considering what was going on.

Yup, you can't have events as massive as they were in MOS, and then not have another superhero react and still consider yourself a shared universe. Once you declare it is a shared universe, then it should be expected that someone will step up after what occurred in MOS.

 

[Redwolf]

The more info I here about the direction this movie is taken the more dread I feel.

I want a Superman/Batman team up movie I really do. I just don't see how WB's version is going to work to be honest. An older, wiser, Batman???

In Man of Steel there was no indication that any other hero/vigilante was out there. Sure we see a Wayne Enterprises logo on a satellite, but nothing about someone calling themselves "Batman."

MOS was basically a movie where suddenly this super powered being had to reveal himself to the world. I assumed in the MOS sequel Batman was going to have a cameo. MOS 2 was going to take place some time after the 1st one. Bruce is on his hero quest and at the end of MOS 2 Superman hears rumors of a masked vigilante in Gotham. There he meets this "Batman" cue Worlds Finest.

Now we're getting an older, wiser, Batman?!?! Someone who has been around for a few years. Yet no indication of this in MOS. I thought I read somewhere that in the MOS universe Superman was to be the FIRST. Well that's shot to ****.

I'd prefer if both heroes started off around the same time, were the same age. That way they could have many adventures together. With "old" Batman I don't see how that is going to move into a Justice League trilogy.

 

[JangoNate]

The more info I here about the direction this movie is taken the more dread I feel.

I want a Superman/Batman team up movie I really do. I just don't see how WB's version is going to work to be honest. An older, wiser, Batman???

In Man of Steel there was no indication that any other hero/vigilante was out there. Sure we see a Wayne Enterprises logo on a satellite, but nothing about someone calling themselves "Batman."

MOS was basically a movie where suddenly this super powered being had to reveal himself to the world. I assumed in the MOS sequel Batman was going to have a cameo. MOS 2 was going to take place some time after the 1st one. Bruce is on his hero quest and at the end of MOS 2 Superman hears rumors of a masked vigilante in Gotham. There he meets this "Batman" cue Worlds Finest.

Now we're getting an older, wiser, Batman?!?! Someone who has been around for a few years. Yet no indication of this in MOS. I thought I read somewhere that in the MOS universe Superman was to be the FIRST. Well that's shot to ****.

I'd prefer if both heroes started off around the same time, were the same age. That way they could have many adventures together. With "old" Batman I don't see how that is going to move into a Justice League trilogy.

Well, he wouldn't have to have been around too long to have more experience than Clark. The guys really only had the one Zod gig so far. The experience for Bruce could just be the journey he takes to become Batman and maybe a year or two on the job. In Gotham, Batman is still just a myth and that's why it's not brought up in MOS. Batman's character isn't about drawing attention whereas what happened with Superman means all eyes on him. So the story will be less a out Supes seeking out Batman and more the other way around. Then, through Supes meeting the Bat, we meet the Bat.

In other words, not old Batman so much as a been around and learned a thing or two more than Superman.

 

[Herolee10]

The potential problem is though that if Batman is just starting out his own career, then why would he care/focus on targeting Superman when he can't even take care of his own city yet?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

The potential problem is though that if Batman is just starting out his own career, then why would he care/focus on targeting Superman when he can't even take care of his own city yet?

That's not a problem. That's what the plot is for. And Lee... WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLOT IS YET!

 

[InJustice]

The more info I here about the direction this movie is taken the more dread I feel.

I want a Superman/Batman team up movie I really do. I just don't see how WB's version is going to work to be honest. An older, wiser, Batman???

In Man of Steel there was no indication that any other hero/vigilante was out there. Sure we see a Wayne Enterprises logo on a satellite, but nothing about someone calling themselves "Batman."

MOS was basically a movie where suddenly this super powered being had to reveal himself to the world. I assumed in the MOS sequel Batman was going to have a cameo. MOS 2 was going to take place some time after the 1st one. Bruce is on his hero quest and at the end of MOS 2 Superman hears rumors of a masked vigilante in Gotham. There he meets this "Batman" cue Worlds Finest.

Now we're getting an older, wiser, Batman?!?! Someone who has been around for a few years. Yet no indication of this in MOS. I thought I read somewhere that in the MOS universe Superman was to be the FIRST. Well that's shot to ****.

I'd prefer if both heroes started off around the same time, were the same age. That way they could have many adventures together. With "old" Batman I don't see how that is going to move into a Justice League trilogy.

Don't just focus on Batman "appearing out of thin air," and then ignore the fact that MOS never mentioned Gotham at all...

 

[Jordacar]

I'm annoyed that WB seems to keep pulling from Dark Knight Returns as inspiration for this thing. If we're seeing Batman and Superman meeting for the first time, the LAST Batman story is really not the one to draw from.

Their safest bet would be to take "World's Finest" from the animated series and pump that up to a 2 1/2 hour epic, with a few tweaks to make it follow better from MoS. Sure, that would mean another Joker on film, but we could also get Harley! So everybody wins!

 

[Smashlilman]

The more info I here about the direction this movie is taken the more dread I feel.

I want a Superman/Batman team up movie I really do. I just don't see how WB's version is going to work to be honest. An older, wiser, Batman???

In Man of Steel there was no indication that any other hero/vigilante was out there. Sure we see a Wayne Enterprises logo on a satellite, but nothing about someone calling themselves "Batman."

MOS was basically a movie where suddenly this super powered being had to reveal himself to the world. I assumed in the MOS sequel Batman was going to have a cameo. MOS 2 was going to take place some time after the 1st one. Bruce is on his hero quest and at the end of MOS 2 Superman hears rumors of a masked vigilante in Gotham. There he meets this "Batman" cue Worlds Finest.

Now we're getting an older, wiser, Batman?!?! Someone who has been around for a few years. Yet no indication of this in MOS. I thought I read somewhere that in the MOS universe Superman was to be the FIRST. Well that's shot to ****.

I'd prefer if both heroes started off around the same time, were the same age. That way they could have many adventures together. With "old" Batman I don't see how that is going to move into a Justice League trilogy.

Nope there was a direct Batman Easter egg. When Zod destroys the building with his heat vision, Superman starts floating and you can see a poster on the wall that says "Keep calm and call Batman".

 

[Pondslider]

The more info I here about the direction this movie is taken the more dread I feel.

I want a Superman/Batman team up movie I really do. I just don't see how WB's version is going to work to be honest. An older, wiser, Batman???

In Man of Steel there was no indication that any other hero/vigilante was out there. Sure we see a Wayne Enterprises logo on a satellite, but nothing about someone calling themselves "Batman."

MOS was basically a movie where suddenly this super powered being had to reveal himself to the world. I assumed in the MOS sequel Batman was going to have a cameo. MOS 2 was going to take place some time after the 1st one. Bruce is on his hero quest and at the end of MOS 2 Superman hears rumors of a masked vigilante in Gotham. There he meets this "Batman" cue Worlds Finest.

Now we're getting an older, wiser, Batman?!?! Someone who has been around for a few years. Yet no indication of this in MOS. I thought I read somewhere that in the MOS universe Superman was to be the FIRST. Well that's shot to ****.

I'd prefer if both heroes started off around the same time, were the same age. That way they could have many adventures together. With "old" Batman I don't see how that is going to move into a Justice League trilogy.

Maybe in this universe the Batman is mostly an urban legend. A horror story told by criminals and someone police are aware of but don't talk about because they don't know who or what he is. He's been working for years going after the criminal element of Gotham, but he's not walking around in broad daylight or leading police chases. No bat signal. Maybe the events of the movie draw him out more. This would be a good contrast to the much publicized Superman too.

 

[Hurm...]

It's important to note that if we accept the source saying this was the plan since MOS production ended, the other important detail from it is that this was Snyder's plan and not the studio's. this is Snyder's vision, love it or hate it.

I find that incredibly hard to believe. Not because it's a bad idea or anything, but because of the massive influence production companies, like WB, have on a director. And I highly doubt Snyder has free reign on where he wants the franchise to go. He hasn't earned that right, considering all the box office bombs he's given WB.

 

[Marvin]

Maybe in this universe the Batman is mostly an urban legend. A horror story told by criminals and someone police are aware of but don't talk about because they don't know who or what he is. He's been working for years going after the criminal element of Gotham, but he's not walking around in broad daylight or leading police chases. No bat signal. Maybe the events of the movie draw him out more. This would be a good contrast to the much publicized Superman too.

The cinematic public has undergone alot of conditioning over the years. The urban myth batman is not as obvious a concept to some as it is to others.

I remember for years batman wouldn't take a photo or make a public appearance with the JL because he wouldn't dare reveal himself(or something to that end). Of course, there are different takes on the material.
I for one hope that this next batman get's more and more things right. And so far it's looking that way.

 

[Marvin]

I find that incredibly hard to believe. Not because it's a bad idea or anything, but because of the massive influence production companies, like WB, have on a director. And I highly doubt Snyder has free reign on where he wants the franchise to go. He hasn't earned that right, considering all the box office bombs he's given WB.

Not that many, and considering the MPAA ratings to most of his films...they did pretty well for themselves.

The only film to not make back it's budget would probably be sucker punch?

Just saying, flops might be more appropriate than bombs.

 

[Hurm...]

Okay flops then. I can't see WB allowing him to lead them to the Promised Land.

 

[DA_Champion]

Zach Snyder has directed six films:

Man of Steel, 225M, 649M
Sucker Punch, 82M, 90M
Legends of the Guardians, 80M, 140M
Watchmen, 130M, 185M
300, 65M, 456M
Dawn of the Dead, 28M, 102M

Total Cost: 600 million
Total Worldwide Gross: 1,624 million

Yeah, Snyder delivers too many box office bombs.

 

[Smallville13]

Has anyone noticed that this MOS2 board has become a Batman board? I wonder if that's going to seep into the public's idea of this movie too. Or if it already has. I'm starting to think Batman is going to overwhelm this movie. Like maybe not even in screentime. But in the same way that TDK is Heath Ledger/Joker's movie despite someone clocking him at having <20mins screentime. It seems already that people are seeing this as Ben Affleck/Batman's movie.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Has anyone noticed that this MOS2 board has become a Batman board? I wonder if that's going to seep into the public's idea of this movie too. Or if it already has. I'm starting to think Batman is going to overwhelm this movie. Like maybe not even in screentime. But in the same way that TDK is Heath Ledger/Joker's movie despite someone clocking him at having <20mins screentime. It seems already that people are seeing this as Ben Affleck/Batman's movie.

The character of Batman will not be the one doing all the cool summer tentpole stuff seen in the ads for this cool summer tentpole movie. If only the film DID have a character that could do a bunch of crazy cool, VFX driven action that gets people into theatres. But WHO could fit that bill? It would also help if said character had also just had his own successful reboot film. I can't think of anyone that fits that bill. What's Billy Batson up too?