BvS Is anyone else not excited about Superman and Batman? I feel nothing but dread. - Part 1

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Best movie ever.

That's what this made me feel. The superman fan in me will never forget that feeling.

Trailer #3 is my favorite Superman movie.

Yeah, I'm another one whose expectations were raised sky high by the trailers. If I hadn't seen this trailer, I probably would have minded the kiss less. The ending of the trailer had Superman flirting with Lois and reacting immediately to a seeming call of distress and acting on it -- i.e. he got his priorities right.

The kissing scene in the movie painted him less so for me.
 
Hmmm, yeah I guess Arya. They just hammered those elements in the trailers so much and I found it so intriguing. But I was disappointed when it wasn't expanded on in the movie.
 
Blue had a tendency to ham it up. It worked for that version of Zod (most of the time, anyway), but I don't know how well he would have fit in with Snyder's vision of how the character was to be portrayed.
 
I dunno, I felt more was going on in Zod's head with Blue's version. He didn't seem nearly as wooden to me either.
 
Well, sure. Blue was certainly more charismatic and entertaining and definitely came off as more intelligent, but that might not have been the case if he were cast in MOS. that's all I'm saying.

That said: warts and all, I find Blue's version of Zod to be superior to Shannon's.
 
How can some random internet nerds derail a movie project? Is the WB using this thread as their source for inspiration? LOL

Everything posted on this thread shows up on Google and other search engines and can be seen by potentially millions on the Internet. No, I am not saying that the studio is using this thread as a source, but I am saying that people looking for a reason to hate Batman v Superman can find this thread. This is part of the reason why the producers are being secretive about the film. Yeah, they don't want to spoil it for fans, but they also don't want to feed opponents anything they could use as amunition against it. A lot of folks who said they dred this film are really just concerned about its success (at least that is what they say). If that is the case, then alleviating the concern with facts should be the solution. The facts are that "Man of Steel" was far from being bad as people are leading on. In spite of the score that RottenTomatoes gave the film (which they themselves were puzzled by), more than 82 million people (pretty much the size of a small nation) went to see the film and and another 9 million or more either bought the DVD or Blu Ray disc. That was a lot of people and the studio liked it enought to do a sequel (Batman v Superman). Ben Affleck is an Academy Award winning actor and Batman v Superman is cast with a lot of actors who have either won Oscars in the past or have been nominated for one. David Goyer is being credited for the story even though Cris Terrio is writing the screeplay. The last four CBM's, he has been credited with have made more than $3 billion. This film is not going to fail because it will feature multiple iconic heroes in the same picture. History will tell you that ensemble cast films work as well or even better than their solo counterparts and the last film that featured superhero icons in a team format that was similar made close to $2 billion (Marvel's Avengers). You can try to differentiate the two by saying one had a backstory, but the truth of the matter is that you do not need to have a back story on a character to have a great film. Batman 1989 is proof of that. These are the facts and I just don't see why anyone would have dread for this film unless they are just but hurt or are just against anything positive.
 
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I blame the script. Shannon didn't have much to work with and neither did...well, anyone else.

The script was one of the major faults in Man of Steel. For an introductory movie it didn't delve very deeply into the characters, which is a shame.
 
i find it funny people would dedicate themselves to discussing a movie about super heroes that they 'dread.' it's ultimately a mythic story for kids, if the mere thought of a batman and superman story is making you nervous and filling you with dread, cut ties now and go find something you enjoy. are your really going to spend two years of your life talking about how bad a movie is going to be? who am i kidding, this is the internet.
 
Everything posted on this thread shows up on Google and other search engines and can be seen by potentially millions on the Internet. No, I am not saying that the studio is using this thread as a source, but I am saying that people looking for a reason to hate Batman v Superman can find this thread. This is part of the reason why the producers are being secretive about the film. Yeah, they don't want to spoil it for fans, but they also don't want to feed opponents anything they could use as amunition aganst it.

Interesting post dnno1. Warner Bros know from past examples that when they release information early it can easily snowball into bad publicity for them which is why they try to put early embargoes in place these days and also to limit the flow of information. But either way, what will be critical for the success of Batman v Superman is the international markets, and great word of mouth which makes people want to see the movie repeatedly.
 
i find it funny people would dedicate themselves to discussing a movie about super heroes that they 'dread.' it's ultimately a mythic story for kids, if the mere thought of a batman and superman story is making you nervous and filling you with dread, cut ties now and go find something you enjoy. are your really going to spend two years of your life talking about how bad a movie is going to be? who am i kidding, this is the internet.

Great Post. I couldn't agree more.
 
i find it funny people would dedicate themselves to discussing a movie about super heroes that they 'dread.' it's ultimately a mythic story for kids, if the mere thought of a batman and superman story is making you nervous and filling you with dread, cut ties now and go find something you enjoy. are your really going to spend two years of your life talking about how bad a movie is going to be? who am i kidding, this is the internet.

The new "Forget it... it's Chinatown." Accurate post.
 
I'm really surprised people are willing to criticize Shannon's Zod. This time last year, he was miles better than Stamp ever was, with some saying that he would be just as quoteable in the future.
 
i find it funny people would dedicate themselves to discussing a movie about super heroes that they 'dread.' it's ultimately a mythic story for kids, if the mere thought of a batman and superman story is making you nervous and filling you with dread, cut ties now and go find something you enjoy. are your really going to spend two years of your life talking about how bad a movie is going to be? who am i kidding, this is the internet.

I don't think anyone is "dedicated" to anything...we are all ostensibly big fans of these characters, and enjoy discussing them in our downtime...I doubt anyone is actually nervous or worried...it's just a movie. No one wins anything if it's a masterpiece and no one loses anything if it's a steaming pile of garbage. I think everyone gets that, despite how passionate posters get sometimes. I don't know why you would assume otherwise.

What I find funny are the people who specifically come into this thread to sound self righteous and admonish other posters.
 
I'm really surprised people are willing to criticize Shannon's Zod. This time last year, he was miles better than Stamp ever was, with some saying that he would be just as quoteable in the future.

I definitely remember that.
 
Thing is, if you put Shannon in Stamp's place, Zod would've never become an iconic Superman villain.

The praise Shannon got last year taught me something...some people will automatically deem a supervillain great just because he has a "Woe is me" backstory.
 
I'm really surprised people are willing to criticize Shannon's Zod. This time last year, he was miles better than Stamp ever was, with some saying that he would be just as quoteable in the future.

Any time I find a use for the line I end up saying "I will find him" about four times, each growing in intensity. If that counts for anything.:oldrazz:
 
^ Pretty much the only thing that he says that is close to iconic, lol....
 
I'm really surprised people are willing to criticize Shannon's Zod. This time last year, he was miles better than Stamp ever was, with some saying that he would be just as quoteable in the future.

I remember that, too. I'd never seen him in anything, but I had fairly high expectations of him based off of the praise he'd received from other posters for his work in other films and television shows.

^ Pretty much the only thing that he says that is close to iconic, lol....

And it wasn't as awesome as it was needlessly repetitive. I remember thinking "Um...okay...we get it..." around the third time he said it.
 
I was a bit underwhelmed by his performance but have grown to like it over time. Definitely not up there with best villains though, IMO.
 
I just watched Man of Steel again this week for the first time in a about 4-5 months. I liked Zod better this time around. The first time I watched the movie I thought he kind of sucked to be honest. But after watching a couple more times and then again this time, he was actually pretty solid for the most part. There were a couple lines that were poorly delivered and he definitely wasn't great but overall he was solid. Though I agree with most that he was kind of outshined by Faora. She was very good, though I think part of that was because she just had better dialogue than Zod did.

I still love the "You Are Not Alone" scene, it's one of my favorite parts of the movie. Even though Aliens taking over a TV feed to announce their arrival has been done before, I still find this one to be the best I've ever seen. The World Engine didn't bother me because I thought it was done very well, the CGI and the sounds, yeah it's not exactly an original idea but I thought it was done well.

I'm not really sure why Amy Adams is so beloved (in general or in this movie), I thought her dialogue was actually the worst in the movie and she doesn't feel like Lois Lane to me. I thought they contrived ways to keep her more involved than she needed to be to build up her relationship with Clark/Superman. For example, when Superman turned himself over to Zod, Faora says that Zod wants Lois too. Why? There was no point to it other than to make her be involved in the story for the whole movie, by getting her on the ship and allowing Jor-El to give her "the plan to stop them", which made her become basically part of the military strategy to defeat Zod. The Jor-El/Lois Lane scene, commonly referred to as "Jor-El GPS", I thought was probably the worst scene in the movie. Her being on the plane to help release the ship-bomb to destroy Zod's ship wasn't needed and her somehow figuring out exactly where Superman/Zod landed so she could be there right on time to see Superman snap Zod's neck and embrace him afterwards was extremely forced to me. Just came off as shoehorning her into the action scenes to develop her character and keep her front and center even though it didn't make much sense for her to be there, to me anyway. Personally I thought they overused her for that reason and I didn't think she was very good in the movie. Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Amy at all, I actually like her but I still don't think she fits the role or is as great of an actress as she's hyped up to be (she's well above average though, no doubt).

I had no problem with how much destruction happened in the movie or the idea of Superman killing Zod. They both were better parts of the movie to me. It's an Alien invasion, anyone that thinks things were going to go down without major destruction were fooling themselves, Superman there to protect us or not. If Aliens that are even half as advanced as that ever attack, we'll last about a week tops. That's part of why I don't like many alien invasion movies, I understand that Hollywood loves happy endings but if it ever happened in real life, there wouldn't be a happy ending. It's a wrap for humans. There is no miracle happy ending against beings with far more advanced weapons, ships and technology invading with a huge army. You can forget about Bill Pullman speeches at the end, it's not happening, lol.

Henry Cavill was perfect as Superman. Diane Lane was great despite her fairly smaller role. Christopher Meloni was great. Overall the storyline was pretty good, nothing amazing but definitely far from a weakness. Some of the dialogue could have been better here and there (The "I just think he's kinda hot" line should have never made it into the movie, so awful).

Overall it's one my Top 5 Superhero movies. Don't understand all the hate, despite having a few criticisms of my own I thought it was excellent overall.
 
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Everything posted on this thread shows up on Google and other search engines and can be seen by potentially millions on the Internet. No, I am not saying that the studio is using this thread as a source, but I am saying that people looking for a reason to hate Batman v Superman can find this thread. This is part of the reason why the producers are being secretive about the film. Yeah, they don't want to spoil it for fans, but they also don't want to feed opponents anything they could use as amunition against it. A lot of folks who said they dred this film are really just concerned about its success (at least that is what they say). If that is the case, then alleviating the concern with facts should be the solution. The facts are that "Man of Steel" was far from being bad as people are leading on. In spite of the score that RottenTomatoes gave the film (which they themselves were puzzled by), more than 82 million people (pretty much the size of a small nation) went to see the film and and another 9 million or more either bought the DVD or Blu Ray disc. That was a lot of people and the studio liked it enought to do a sequel (Batman v Superman). Ben Affleck is an Academy Award winning actor and Batman v Superman is cast with a lot of actors who have either won Oscars in the past or have been nominated for one. David Goyer is being credited for the story even though Cris Terrio is writing the screeplay. The last four CBM's, he has been credited with have made more than $3 billion. This film is not going to fail because it will feature multiple iconic heroes in the same picture. History will tell you that ensemble cast films work as well or even better than their solo counterparts and the last film that featured superhero icons in a team format that was similar made close to $2 billion (Marvel's Avengers). You can try to differentiate the two by saying one had a backstory, but the truth of the matter is that you do not need to have a back story on a character to have a great film. Batman 1989 is proof of that. These are the facts and I just don't see why anyone would have dread for this film unless they are just but hurt or are just against anything positive.

Not comparable at all, Avengers had hype dating from 2008 and several films to build up to it, you somewhat acknowledge this which negates the point of you even stating Avengers. MOS isn't the "worst movie ever" but its a terrible movie none the less especially when you think about the potential of the movie and how it was squandered. Also MOS ending was poor and didn't leave much in terms of anticipating a sequel.
 
^ Pretty much the only thing that he says that is close to iconic, lol....

Would you put that more on Shannon's delivery, or the dialogue given to him? I'd imagine most would blame the dialogue, but you said if Shannon replaced Stamp, those lines wouldn't be as iconic.

Another way of putting it, if Stamp was Zod in MoS, do you think he would've made the lines more quotable?
 
I love shannon, but his zod seemed "off".
faora, for me, was much more interesting. I would love for her to show up again at some point.
 
Faora is pursuing a relationship with Col. Hardy in the phantom zone.
 
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