BvS Is anyone else not excited about Superman and Batman? I feel nothing but dread. - Part 1

[BatmanVSuperman]

I was disappointed in the suit reveal scene. Even the one in Smallville seemed more fantastical.

 

[hafizbat]

I doubt Zod could ever be considered a top 2 or 3 villain of all time regardless of how good the actor is. I don't think he has that kind of potential, the way the Joker does. Shannon did fine for what it was, imo.

Luthor, however, does have the potential.

 

[MrsKent26]

Honestly for me, Shannon didn't quite live up to his acting ability in MOS. Once I saw some of the opening with elements of Zod and the whole metal animated kelor stuff... I was like "well this could be good, but it may not be what I was expecting" Blame Snyder if you want, but everyone else surpassed what I expected. Surprising cause I really enjoy Shannon in most movies. Not saying I hated him, but I was expecting him to be a top 2-3 villain of all time when he got announced. The expectations we build

Shannon didn't live up to my expectations either, but I'm sure part of it was the dialogue which let everyone down at one point or another. I wanted the Shannon I'd seen in Take Shelter and Board Walk Empire and he wasn't quite there. I was hoping for a Joker in TDK-level villain as well, so my expectations were up there.

Cav-el exceeded my expectations because there were these rumors about him being just "serviceable" before the movie came out and I think part of me was worried about them being true. Compared to Shannon, Adams, and Crow, he was inexperienced and I thought he might be over-shadowed. Luckily I was wrong. If he hadn't been as good as he was, I would rate the movie a lot lower. Some actors are so right for their parts in movies that they make other flaws fade a little (Jackman and Evans are other examples of this).

 

[antonydelfini]

2 things Im dreading in this movie:

1. the intro for other JL members might feel shoehorned in leading into an unfocused movie

2. Superman and Batman's relationship might resemble thesir relationship in TDKR comics. But I have hope since Snyder's Supes in MOS was no pushover and not a government stooge.

. Other than that, Im super excited.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

I'm saying my expectation in Shannon was that he would elevate Zod to a top 3 performance all time based upon his acting ability. I had seen him in many things, and really didn't expect him to be the prototypical villain type that he kind of displayed. Harkening back to Smallville out of example, I guess seeing what was done on their version with Zod made me think "Imagine how much better this will be on film"

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

Shannon didn't live up to my expectations either, but I'm sure part of it was the dialogue which let everyone down at one point or another. I wanted the Shannon I'd seen in Take Shelter and Board Walk Empire and he wasn't quite there. I was hoping for a Joker in TDK-level villain as well, so my expectations were up there.

Cav-el exceeded my expectations because there were these rumors about him being just "serviceable" before the movie came out and I think part of me was worried about them being true. Compared to Shannon, Adams, and Crow, he was inexperienced and I thought he might be over-shadowed. Luckily I was wrong. If he hadn't been as good as he was, I would rate the movie a lot lower. Some actors are so right for their parts in movies that they make other flaws fade a little (Jackman and Evans are other examples of this).

Same for me

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I thought Shannon was very entertaining. One part campy/ott ("Release the world engine!"), and one part intense and compelling.

 

[Boy Scout]

^ Me too a little bit and I like MOS. I can't imagine your rage, lol.

No. You really can't. If it was ever unleashed, our planet would be consumed by impassioned, relentless negativity that would spread out and infect each and every person in a manner reminiscent to the outbreak of the Black Plague. There would be rioting in the streets; an explosive increase in criminal activity; and Miley Cyrus would go down in history as the greatest musician of all time.

If you can even begin to comprehend any of that...may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[Hurm...]

I blame the script. Shannon didn't have much to work with and neither did...well, anyone else.

MOS has the same issue as another movie released about one year prior to it - Prometheus. MOS, like Prometheus, sets up expectations and questions during the beginning of the film with lines like, "You will be a god to them" and "You will change the world" but we don't really see those things within the film. It sacrifices those contemplative elements for massive action set pieces and just leaves viewers waiting for the next film to actually see Superman's effects on the world. To be honest, since Snyder attempted to place Superman in the real world, I expected his approach to Superman to be very similar to Dr. Manhattan's Mars sequence in Watchmen where we get to see the effects of a superpowered god on the world.

However, a counter argument could be that MOS was just a set-up and those things will be shown in BvS. I guess it's just a matter of taste, but I prefer a film to be cohesive and stand-alone on it's own without needing to be strongly tied to a sequel.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

He was campy/hokey more often than I ever expected from him. It was just like the typical superhero villain without the substance I really thought would be given.

 

[MrsKent26]

No. You really can't. If it was ever unleashed, our planet would be consumed by impassioned, relentless negativity that would spread out and infect each and every person in a manner reminiscent to the outbreak of the Black Plague. There would be rioting in the streets; an explosive increase in criminal activity; and Miley Cyrus would go down in history as the greatest musician of all time.

If you can even begin to comprehend any of that...May God have mercy on your soul.

Please don't kill us all!

It will be alright. Superman is here for you:

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

^Of course the script had flaws. However Cavill, Adams, Costner, Fishburne, Meloni, moments from Antje, and Diane Lane were all very solid performance for me. Shannon was much more one dimensional and lacking substance/that intangible quality that makes a character seem part of the action rather than just an actor doing their job.

 

[Boy Scout]

Please don't kill us all!

It will be alright. Superman is here for you:

...that looks nothing like me. My breasts are much larger.





...I mean...I'm a dude.

 

[MrsKent26]

I found the acting in MOS ranged from good to great overall. That wasn't my main issue. The script/dialogue was.

...that looks nothing like me. My breasts are much larger.





...I mean...I'm a dude.

Don't be so picky!

 

[Rock Sexton]

I'm fairly certain that if I had never seen any of the trailers, and just watched MoS, I'd have a much higher opinion of it. Those trailers showed me a Superman movie that was simply breathtaking...and the actual movie was nowhere near it. Based on the trailers, I really thought they had something truly special. I guess that's why I'm a bit hard on MoS...perfect example of "expectation is the mother of disappointment".

Same for me. When the trailers first came out I instantly hit up my Facebook proclaiming the next billion dollar CBM. Ooops. LOL ..... as the movie dragged on I just became more and more disenchanted.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

It really sucks that Callum Blue's tv version of Zod blew away Shannon's.



Callum played him as a guy that seemed like he was calculating his moves. There was substance there in a lot of his scenes. I wanted that from Shannon.

 

[Boy Scout]

On topic: I didn't think anyone turned in a memorable performance (except for Cavill). I thought Adams, Shannon, and Cavill were the best of the bunch, but Adams was barely a character (she wins the award for the blandest Lois Lane I've ever seen) and Shannon had his moments, but was nothing special overall.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

Ignore Welling's flat acting here, but tell me that Callum doesn't make a better Zod in this other video.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

On topic: I didn't think anyone turned in a memorable performance (except for Cavill). thought Adams, Shannon, and Cavill were the best of the bunch, but Adams was barely a character (she wins the award for the blandest Lois Lane I've ever seen) and Shannon had his moments, but was nothing special overall.

Shannon managed to move beyond mediocre in your opinion?

 

[hafizbat]

However, a counter argument could be that MOS was just a set-up and those things will be shown in BvS. I guess it's just a matter of taste, but I prefer a film to be cohesive and stand-alone on it's own without needing to be strongly tied to a sequel.

Same here. A good example of that would be Batman Begins, or Raimi's Spider-Man 1.

 

[DA_Champion]

The weakest part of MoS for me was:

1) Jor-El
2) The Dialogue

Jor-El is dead, and Goyer has been replaced by Terrio, so I'm optimistic.

 

[Boy Scout]

I found the acting in MOS ranged from good to great overall. That wasn't my main issue. The script/dialogue was.

I was actually okay with most of the dialogue. I'm pretty sure I'm one of the five people who don't mind: "I just think he's kinda hot."

Don't be so picky!

You can do better!

It really sucks that Callum Blue's tv version of Zod blew away Shannon's.



Callum played him as a guy that seemed like he was calculating his moves. There was substance there in a lot of his scenes. I wanted that from Shannon.

Callum Blue is probably my favorite Zod.

Blue > Rosenbaum > Stamp > Shannon

 

[Boy Scout]

Shannon managed to move beyond mediocre in your opinion?

At times, yes. Overall, no.

 

[-Arya-]

I blame the script. Shannon didn't have much to work with and neither did...well, anyone else.

MOS has the same issue as another movie released about one year prior to it - Prometheus. MOS, like Prometheus, sets up expectations and questions during the beginning of the film with lines like, "You will be a god to them" and "You will change the world" but we don't really see those things within the film. It sacrifices those contemplative elements for massive action set pieces and just leaves viewers waiting for the next film to actually see Superman's effects on the world. To be honest, since Snyder attempted to place Superman in the real world, I expected his approach to Superman to be very similar to Dr. Manhattan's Mars sequence in Watchmen where we get to see the effects of a superpowered god on the world.

However, a counter argument could be that MOS was just a set-up and those things will be shown in BvS. I guess it's just a matter of taste, but I prefer a film to be cohesive and stand-alone on it's own without needing to be strongly tied to a sequel.

This may sound like a cop out, but I didn't interpret nor did I expect those moments about changing the world to occur within one movie. I saw it as a prediction of what Superman will become as he matures years and years down the line. As unnecessary and bombastic as the world engine sequence was to some people (I personally like it), that was the first step for Superman's transformation. As you said, a matter of taste.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I thought Shannon was very entertaining. One part campy/ott ("Release the world engine!"), and one part intense and compelling.

One: Expectations that anything is going to out of the gate be "in the top X of all time" was setting yourself up for disappointment... Just saying.

As for Zod? Saying **** like "Release the World Engine!" is half the reason to get a degree in Applied Super Villain Studies. You wake up, splash some water on your face, brush, rinse, then look in the mirror and say to yourself,"Oh that's right... Today I am releasing the mother****ing WORLD ENGINE!"