BvS Is anyone else not excited about Superman and Batman? I feel nothing but dread. - Part 1

[georgec]

Batman will most likely seemingly be the antagonist to the audience. His motives might not be clear, and Superman will appear to be the "good guy" for much of the film...until its revealed that Batman can be trusted.

Exactly. Then they both work to stop a greater threat in Lex.

 

[Herolee10]

I do think Timm has various short comings, but he seems to really get batman(in most ways). The worlds finest feature he made was pretty on point imo.

I feel like if you look at the DCAU in general, it'll be apparent on what I just mentioned about their portrayals alongside each other in general.

 

[jmc]

Honestly, it wouldn't make sense given how many Lexcorp signs we had in the film and how his character has been constantly brought up by Snyder and Goyer whenever they talked about the sequel. In fact, Lex and Bruce are the only DC characters that they've really talked about in name whenever mentioning the larger DC Universe that exists within MOS's world.

Plus, they'll need someone in charge that'll be responsible for manipulating the events that forces Superman and Batman to end up being at odds with each other.

My problem with that is Luthors role is going to be diminished if Batman is around. I could be wrong, but I'm not convinced Lex is a big a certainty as he probably should be.

 

[Herolee10]

Exactly. Then they both work to stop a greater threat in Lex.

I'd say, feed Deathstroke to Batman, who's under the employment of Lex, while allowing Superman to deal with Lex at the very end.

 

[jmc]

Exactly. Then they both work to stop a greater threat in Lex.

Granted you can find the time for the character.

 

[Herolee10]

My problem with that is Luthors role is going to be diminished if Batman is around. I could be wrong, but I'm not convinced Lex is a big a certainty as he probably should be.

IF the film isn't about these two so much going at it for most of its duration, if Lex is utilized well, it could just be like how Nolan utilized the characters of Batman, Harvey, and the Joker in "The Dark Knight", with Batman in this case being Superman, Harvey being Batman.lol, and the Joker being Lex in terms of their roles in the film.

 

[Herolee10]

Granted you can find the time for the character.

If they make this film longer than 2 hours and 22 minutes..and more like a 2 hour and 35-45 minute film, it's possible. Look how well the Lord of the Rings films handle their large ensemble of characters.

 

[jmc]

Yeah, but Zack Snyder is neither Chris Nolan nor Peter Jackson.

 

[AnneFan]

Honestly, it wouldn't make sense given how many Lexcorp signs we had in the film and how his character has been constantly brought up by Snyder and Goyer whenever they talked about the sequel.

Indeed. I'd be surprised if Lex wasn't in the movie in some fashion. Surely he will be. He presents ripe material, especially in relation to Bruce Wayne.

 

[Herolee10]

Yeah, but Zack Snyder is neither Chris Nolan nor Peter Jackson.

True, but I'm just saying that there's a better chance of exploring the characters more with a longer running time.

Indeed. I'd be surprised if Lex wasn't in the movie in some fashion. Surely he will be. He presents ripe material, especially in relation to Bruce Wayne.

Indeed; aside from Superman, Lex is the one that needs a modern day makeover when it comes to his portrayals on film.

 

[regwec]

I hope Deathstroke is no where near this. Characters who offer little but a sharp suit and combat ability are fine as plot devices in comicbooks, but they are empty at their core. If this is to be Lex + Batman villain, then make the latter The Penguin. He has as many parallels and contrasts with Lex Luthor as Batman does with Superman.

 

[jmc]

True, but I'm just saying that there's a better chance of exploring the characters more with a longer running time.

I don't deny that, I just doubt the people behind the camera can do the job.

 

[Marvin]

Yeah, but Zack Snyder is neither Chris Nolan nor Peter Jackson.

that would explain watchmen and DOTD and the owl movie

 

[Herolee10]

I hope Deathstroke is no where near this. Characters who offer little but a sharp suit and combat ability are fine as plot devices in comicbooks, but they are empty at their core. If this is to be Lex + Batman villain, then make the latter The Penguin. He has as many parallels and contrasts with Lex Luthor as Batman does with Superman.

From what I've read, Deathstroke does have some layers as a villain/character and he's more than capable of going toe to toe with Batman, more so than Superman, and he's one character that hasn't been shown on a live action film yet and I'd argue that he has a bigger fanbase than Penguin at the moment.

 

[jmc]

that would explain watchmen and DOTD and the owl movie

This comment is lost on me.

 

[Marvin]

I hope Deathstroke is no where near this. Characters who offer little but a sharp suit and combat ability are fine as plot devices in comicbooks, but they are empty at their core. If this is to be Lex + Batman villain, then make the latter The Penguin. He has as many parallels and contrasts with Lex Luthor as Batman does with Superman.

I'd personally much rather deathstorke the hired genius mercenary in this than penguin.
Ignoring the physical element and the tangible threat it presents to bats, there is the matter of how little ground work is needed for deathstroke. A bonus in an ensemble movie such as this.

Pengu seems like he's best kept when he's embedded in gotham, in HIS town and HIS connections all around. But anything is possible.

 

[Marvin]

This comment is lost on me.

It's a very literal comment.

 

[jmc]

Ah, gottcha

 

[regwec]

Slade Wilson doesn't have a lot of layers. That may be being addressed in the New 52, which I can't be bothered with, but there is little there below the orange and blue for the most part.

Why is such an obscure character suddenly "kewl" now? Because he's in a videogame? That's a poor reason for his inclusion in a film. I also find the appeal of so many characters going "toe to toe" with others to be unimaginative and dull. I used to make up narratives like that with my action figures, when I was about six.

 

[The Shape]

Slade Wilson doesn't have a lot of layers. That may be being addressed in the New 52, which I can't be bothered with, but there is little there below the orange and blue for the most part.

Why is such an obscure character suddenly "kewl" now? Because he's in a videogame? That's a poor reason for his inclusion in a film. I also find the appeal of so many characters going "toe to toe" with others to be unimaginative and dull. I used to make up narratives like that with my action figures, when I was about six.

Lol, I did that too with my figures. Deathstroke would have been little more than a henchman for my Batman to defeat.

 

[Herolee10]

Slade Wilson doesn't have a lot of layers. That may be being addressed in the New 52, which I can't be bothered with, but there is little there below the orange and blue for the most part.

Why is such an obscure character suddenly "kewl" now? Because he's in a videogame? That's a poor reason for his inclusion in a film. I also find the appeal of so many characters going "toe to toe" with others to be unimaginative and dull. I used to make up narratives like that with my action figures, when I was about six.

I don't know about that. I mean, I wasn't a fan of his until as of late when I saw him featured in the green arrow television series. He's been written pretty well there imho and is one of the highlights of the show.

Plus, he doesn't come with a lot of baggage that other villains would come with and it's easier to write as to why he'd be involved with Lex.

Plus, isn't he a former military person, general? They could use that past in giving him more of a reason to hate someone like Superman and support Lex's efforts in fighting off wildcards like Superman and Batman.

 

[Moridin]

It isn't a lack of confidence in Superman. It is a lack of confidence in the filmmakers and the studio handling Superman. I know the movie is going to make tons of money at the box office. The gimmick of putting these two icons together will guarantee that. But having a good story where neither hero gets short-changed? I'm extremely skeptical.

Yes, agreed.

I should be exited for a Superman/Batman movie but as long as Goyer is the [sole] writer I don't have confidence in this actually being a good film.

 

[Herolee10]

I'd feel better if we actually had a credible writer who was a fan of Superman attached to the film in some way.

 

[Marvin]

Slade Wilson doesn't have a lot of layers. That may be being addressed in the New 52, which I can't be bothered with, but there is little there below the orange and blue for the most part.

Why is such an obscure character suddenly "kewl" now? Because he's in a videogame? That's a poor reason for his inclusion in a film. I also find the appeal of so many characters going "toe to toe" with others to be unimaginative and dull. I used to make up narratives like that with my action figures, when I was about six.

Given the writing in TDKR, particularly Bane. I pretty sure Slade as you see him would be fine.

That being said, as someone pointed out, slade has been given a new dimension other media, such as Arrow.
Also slade is probably in the game as a result of him being kewl, I mean has the game even been released yet?

I personally wanna see slade in the jl movie instead. It would force them to sidestep the thanos rip off and go for a more injustice/legionofDoom/crime syndicate angle.
(the stronger play imo)

 

[regwec]

didn't realise Slade was in a TV show- I haven't seen it.