BvS Is anyone else not excited about Superman and Batman? I feel nothing but dread. - Part 2

[The Endless]

In my school we watched The Masseuse starring Jenna Jameson. It was very educational.

 

[zryson]

If anything, I find myself going back to the Donner films because MOS was disappointing for me. I wish I could say there was a great modern Superman film, but I just don't think there has been.

When I want to recapture the feelings and emotions of why I became a Superman fan, I often watch the Donner films. STM in particular is just an amazing film; full of great moments between the cast.

 

[dnno1]

The fact that Blade Trinity was nominated indicates either it was a really poor year for sci-fi and horror and/or the Saturn Awards are about as credible as the MTV movie awards.

In 2005 "Blade Trinity" was nominated for Best Horror film and was up against films like "Dawn of the Dead", "The Grudge", "Open Water", "Saw", "Shaun Of the Dead", and "Van Helsing" ("Shawn of the Dead" actually won). Look, If Goyer was such a bad writer, then he shouldn't be in the business anymore. The fact remains that he still is. Maybe we should realize that he is pretty good and that we should stop making false statements about his reputation.

 

[The Batman]

When I want to recapture the feelings and emotions of why I became a Superman fan, I often watch the Donner films. STM in particular is just an amazing film; full of great moments between the cast.

I think STM is starting to become underrated in certain circles, IMO. Its one of the few Superhero films that isn't just a Comic Book Movie. I can appreciate how it holds your attention without needing to have a punch em up scene, or a climax that feels like a video game. Too many blockbusters are like that nowadays.

 

[The Shape]

I think STM is starting to become underrated in certain circles, IMO. Its one of the few Superhero films that isn't just a Comic Book Movie. I can appreciate how it holds your attention without needing to have a punch em up scene, or a climax that feels like a video game. Too many blockbusters are like that nowadays.

Absolutely, and I feel the same way about Batman 89.

 

[zryson]

I think STM is starting to become underrated in certain circles, IMO. Its one of the few Superhero films that isn't just a Comic Book Movie. I can appreciate how it holds your attention without needing to have a punch em up scene, or a climax that feels like a video game. Too many blockbusters are like that nowadays.

Superman the Movie works on many levels, I find. There's the classic casting with the different actors, as well as the pairing of Reeve and Kidder. There's the unforgettable soundtrack (provided by one of the truly legendary composers in film history) etc. Its one of those movies, that resonates strongly to this day. The recent Superman movies try hard to ape the Donner films but fall flat.

 

[Naked Shia]

In my school we watched The Masseuse starring Jenna Jameson. It was very educational.

In mine we watched Cannibal holocaust. Because my teacher thought it was more realistic than citizen Kane.

 

[Sharkboy]

I think STM is starting to become underrated in certain circles, IMO. Its one of the few Superhero films that isn't just a Comic Book Movie. I can appreciate how it holds your attention without needing to have a punch em up scene, or a climax that feels like a video game. Too many blockbusters are like that nowadays.

Yep. A lot of people like to harp on at how cheesy it is, which makes me realise on a pure storytelling level, it's hard to argue against it being the definitive superman cinematic tale when all you have it nitpicks against the dated 70's elements.

I love that convo between Chris Nolan and Dick Donner, in which Chris just basically praises STM for 20 minutes and explains how he launched his bat-series off the framework of STM.

 

[matt47]

I am so excited for this movie.

 

[Naked Shia]

Me too!

 

[matt47]

Hurray!

 

[psylockolussus]

I'm excited just to see the new Batman and Wonder Woman!

 

[matt47]

And Alfred played my Jermy F-ing Irons! and a Lex Luthor that wont be trying to rule real estate! and Cyrborg! and Aquaman!

 

[DA_Champion]

I need to see evidence of this. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I've never heard of anyone using Superman '78 in a film class. Moreover, you seem to be implying that it's the norm in film schools all over the country.

FYI, all movies have pedagogic value and can be taught in film class, I've heard of Cruel Intentions and Aquamarine being shown in class.

 

[DA_Champion]

Winning a Saturn Award is like being accepted to Cornell University -- it's a poor consolation prize and poor substitute for the real thing.

;-)

 

[roach]

I need to see evidence of this. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I've never heard of anyone using Superman '78 in a film class. Moreover, you seem to be implying that it's the norm in film schools all over the country.

In mine we were taught using Jaws and Spider-man 2

 

[zryson]

Yep. A lot of people like to harp on at how cheesy it is, which makes me realise on a pure storytelling level, it's hard to argue against it being the definitive superman cinematic tale when all you have it nitpicks against the dated 70's elements.

I love that convo between Chris Nolan and Dick Donner, in which Chris just basically praises STM for 20 minutes and explains how he launched his bat-series off the framework of STM.

One of the coolest aspects to Superman The Movie is the story; they took the time to really flesh out the characters. The problem (one of many) with Man of Steel is that they didnt flesh out the characters very well. Instead, like so many movies nowadays, they tried to over-compensate with lots of loud visuals and noise.

 

[Rowsdower!]

You know, this is pretty amusing.

MOS fans are being constantly accused of ignoring the movie's flaws and blaming "Donner nostalgia" for the mixed reaction to the film, something that MOS bashers say doesn't exist.

Yet, some of you can't make a comment about Superman '78 without reminding us all how much better it was than MOS.

 

[zryson]

Actually, I find even Man of Steel's most ardent fans can readily admit the film was far from perfect. And Superman The Movie, the fact it still resonates so strongly decades later, is proof enough of the movie's enduring classic status.

 

[DA_Champion]

It resonates strongly because of nostalgia. If you love a movie as a child, you'll love it forever.

Go read the power rangers thread in the misc movies forum.

 

[zryson]

It resonates strongly because of nostalgia. If you love a movie as a child, you'll love it forever.

Movies dont reach classic status and endure strongly due to nostalgia. They are great films in their own right. And Superman The Movie was ground-breaking.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Movies dont reach classic status and endure strongly due to nostalgia. They are great films in their own right. And Superman The Movie was ground-breaking.

The 1978 film in particular of all the earlier Superman films, is ground breaking for so many reasons, not least Donner's bravery and determination to present on screen the essence of the character.

As a piece of film making for the genre it allowed all to take this 'genre' seriously and dispense with the 50's / 60's thoughts of both previous Superman & Batman incarnations.

I love it yes, because Superman will always be my favourite superhero and it's a childhood fave, my first major cinematic experience but now as an adult and film maker myself I step back from that and appreciate the ground work it's set for all comic book films since, its the template, benchmark for all on how you prepare a film of this nature, how you present it, how you treat source material.

I might add, I love MOS for it's modern, brave thinking and ethos of giving us a Superman for this era and a 'grown up' balance.

 

[zryson]

Great post Mandon Knight! One of the best posts I have read all year.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Great post Mandon Knight! One of the best posts I have read all year.

Thank you sir...

 

[LaughingMage]

In mine we were taught using Jaws and Spider-man 2

Doesn't surprise me, Jaws is pretty much a classic.