Is anyone else sick of "reality" in super hero movies?

[Grim Goblin]

er...

A strong reality foundation makes for greater fantasy to be told.

The more reality the better, fantasty is just a scapegoat for bad story telling.

And the first nominee for the "dumbest quote" of the year award is...

 

[Grim Goblin]

Oh, and well made fantasy should definitely be more prevalent in future comic book movies!

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

It´s just me, or this thread doesn´t make any sense?
I understand the point you guys are try to put on, but, do you?
What do you mean by "reality in a superhero movie"?

You have a guy in a cape flying around, or a guy swinging in webs...where is the reality there?
Who in his right mind wants to make it bound in reality, when reality doesn´t exist.
Last time i checked, people don´t fly or have superpowers...

So, i bet you guys are talking about realism and seriousness, to bound the movie in an illusion of realism.
If that´s the case, i´m all for it, and don´t want it any other way.
Lord of the Rings is a great example of exactly that.
LOTR is not Dungeons & Dragons, LOTR is a serious and adult war movie, where you accept the world your seeing, not just because of the great characters and story, but because of the realism of it all, because you actually believe in what is going on in an illusion of reality.
The same can be said about Aliens, which is also a war movie, but, insted of fighting people, they are fighting monsters, but the seriousness and urgency is all there, as it was real, and you accept it.
Talking about comics book movies, the comic books themselfs are exactly that...
As someone (don´t remember who) said in a Wizard magazine a couple of years ago, comic books should almost be called tragic books due to the seriousness and drama that there is.
You have a guy that died, you have a guy that had is back broken, you have guy that had is girlfriend killed, you have a villain that put an heroine in a wheelchair...isn´t that serious, adult, deep?
Or the important stuff is the 1000th fight between Spidey and Venom?
Isn´t those dramas that make the characters grow?

Fantasy is like action, fights and special effects, they are inherent to the genre.

 

[November Rain]

And the first nominee for the "dumbest quote" of the year award is...

well when people want a 7 ft hulk throwing a tank by its turret when it physically wouldn't be able to reach said turret while standing and then revoke the reality of the situation based on the grounds that it is a fantasy film, then yes, fantasy is used as a scapegoat for bad story telling.

the amount of times that 'It's a comic book movie' has been used on this site alone to justify irrational ideas is beyond belief.


but i don't blame the fans persay, rather the comics that have allowed this to happen over the year jading people's perceptions.

meh, say what you will, i stand by it.

 

[Ronny Shade]

I'm sick of reality in Superhero movies.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I'm not. What you can draw & what you can do with real live people are two different things. Suspension of disbelief is fine to a point, but if you don't keep these movies grounded you end up w/debacles like "Batman & Robin" & Superman IV.
I'm inclined to think that a lot of these "reality" complaints stem from the liberties that are taken, i.e. deviations from the comics. Which is fine by me. I don't want to see radioactive rays being blasted back & forth in the open in front of a bunch of teenagers. I don't want to see giant robots flying over New York. If I want to watch the struggles of an alien empire, I'll watch the Star Wars movies. I can be entertained without them following the comics to the letter. These movies are supposed to take place more or less in the real world. Let them.

 

[3dman27]

I'm not. What you can draw & what you can do with real live people are two different things. Suspension of disbelief is fine to a point, but if you don't keep these movies grounded you end up w/debacles like "Batman & Robin" & Superman IV.
I'm inclined to think that a lot of these "reality" complaints stem from the liberties that are taken, i.e. deviations from the comics. Which is fine by me. I don't want to see radioactive rays being blasted back & forth in the open in front of a bunch of teenagers. I don't want to see giant robots flying over New York. If I want to watch the struggles of an alien empire, I'll watch the Star Wars movies. I can be entertained without them following the comics to the letter. These movies are supposed to take place more or less in the real world. Let them.

no giant robots? i take it you wouldn't want to see theTRANSFORMERS then

 

[Chris Wallace]

It's about parameters. Once they are set, they should stay where they are. Transformers is a movie ABOUT giant robots, therefore their presence is welcome. X-Men is a movie about intolerance & prejudice wrapped in a super-powered package. To see giant purple robots flying around would be a stretch.

 

[Ronny Shade]

I'm not. What you can draw & what you can do with real live people are two different things. Suspension of disbelief is fine to a point, but if you don't keep these movies grounded you end up w/debacles like "Batman & Robin" & Superman IV.
I'm inclined to think that a lot of these "reality" complaints stem from the liberties that are taken, i.e. deviations from the comics. Which is fine by me. I don't want to see radioactive rays being blasted back & forth in the open in front of a bunch of teenagers. I don't want to see giant robots flying over New York. If I want to watch the struggles of an alien empire, I'll watch the Star Wars movies. I can be entertained without them following the comics to the letter. These movies are supposed to take place more or less in the real world. Let them.

What I don't like is that we probably aren't going to get any of the following in this Batman franchise:
Poison Ivy
Mr. Freeze
Etrigan
Man Bat
Killer Croc
Robin

I'm all for these movies "feeling" real. I just don't like that they are hindered by reality. A perfect example is the LOTR movies. Those movies felt very grounded, very realistic, but they did so without losing any of the fantasy or mystique.

 

[K.B.]

Exactly.
I think BB is the worst with using "reality" in a super hero movie. Honestly I am surprised we are getting the Joker and possibly Two Face out of Nolan who has said he didn't want to use any of the villains who were "non realistic".
Which, why bother making a comic book movie, especially a Batman one?

 

[3dman27]

Exactly.
I think BB is the worst with using "reality" in a super hero movie. Honestly I am surprised we are getting the Joker and possibly Two Face out of Nolan who has said he didn't want to use any of the villains who were "non realistic".
Which, why bother making a comic book movie, especially a Batman one?

effectivley that would just make the current franchise a comic based MARTIAL ARTS MOVIE and for the record i have no problem with the MA genre

 

[Chris Wallace]

What I don't like is that we probably aren't going to get any of the following in this Batman franchise:
Poison Ivy
Mr. Freeze
Etrigan
Man Bat
Killer Croc
Robin

I'm all for these movies "feeling" real. I just don't like that they are hindered by reality. A perfect example is the LOTR movies. Those movies felt very grounded, very realistic, but they did so without losing any of the fantasy or mystique.

Robin's not a realism issue, but rather a seriousness issue.
W/Freeze & Ivy, the last attempt to bring them to the screen left a bad taste in everyone's mouths. So if they are in fact omitted from the rebooted franchise I think it would be for that reason.
As for Croc, Man-Bat & the Demon, I think you're right. But I personally don't WANT to see them. I think when you start delving into superpowers you kinda drift away from what Batman is all about. He wages psychological warfare against criminals. A mutated lizard is a bit out of his league & more befitting Spider-Man's rogue gallery. And I don't even think Etrigan is a Batman villain. Nor do I think Bats should be tackling supernatural matters in his movies.

 

[3dman27]

you're right about etrigan he was crated as a super HERO by jack kirby he's NOT a bat villian

 

[terry78]

Now if Bats has to fight Etrigan at first and then comes to realize he's on his side later, that would be an interesting live action bit to play out.

 

[Chris Wallace]

If Etrigan gets to the silver screen at all it should be in his own movie. Although GHost Rider may have hurt that possibility.

 

[Ronny Shade]

I was introduced to Etrigan through Batman TAS. Forgive me for associating them. Yet it stands that Batman and Etrigan (and Superman and Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter) exist in the same reality. I'd like that universe to mesh on screen rather than having this rift between "Batman is real" and "Superman is fantasy"

 

[Chris Wallace]

That's a whole other argument.

 

[Ronny Shade]

I have like 3 separate different arguments. The third is that I like Gotham to be this retro deco psuedo gothic 40s yet somehow sci-fi urban environment like it is in TAS.

 

[K.B.]

Did anyone else find Gotham in BB to look more like Metropilis than Metropilise did in SR?

 

[Ronny Shade]

I though BB Gotham looked too much like they just went and shot in a regular city. Gotham's not a regular city.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I though BB Gotham looked too much like they just went and shot in a regular city. Gotham's not a regular city.

They kinda DID go out & shoot a regular city; mine in fact.
And I think they wanted more than anything to distance it from Schumacher's Gotham, & Burton's as well.

 

[Max J Power]

I don't see any superhero movies as being realistic. As far as I can tell, realism is only a term used by producers trying to market superhero films to an audience that normally wouldn't watch them.

 

[K.B.]

Yeah but Gotham is as much a charecter as the charecters themselves.

 

[The Kid]

Agreed. It's fiction so of course it'll be fictional. Which is why I think if something in a comic isn't outright silly but is an element that wouldn't really work in reality, WHO CARES!

It's the reason back to the future kicked so much ass. That's why a marshmallow man can come walking down 42nd street. All of it was just fantasy and is just completely impossible, but nobody gave a crap. It was fun.

That's the joy of cinema.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Agreed. It's fiction so of course it'll be fictional. Which is why I think if something in a comic isn't outright silly but is an element that wouldn't really work in reality, WHO CARES!

It's the reason back to the future kicked so much ass. That's why a marshmallow man can come walking down 42nd street. All of it was just fantasy and is just completely impossible, but nobody gave a crap. It was fun.

That's the joy of cinema.

That's the problem; "Outright silly" is subjective. As much as people protested the re-vamping of the Hulk's origin, for example, I personally think detonating a nuke in 2003 & having a man survive it is outright silly. I think a man dressed up like a Keebler Elf flying around on a mechanical bat is outright silly. I think the idea of someone like Batman recruiting children into his crusade is outright silly. Others think my views are outright silly. So be it.
The movies are not the comics, & as long as they don't just whizz all over the characters, I welcome the changes.