Sequels Is Fox killing the X-Men

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A lot of fans do care. They shouldn't recast until they reboot.

Personally, I want Ellen Page and Anna Paquin back.

 

[psylockolussus]

If the recent report stays and Kinberg is still writing, this is the roster that we would get excluding new characters:

Xavier, Raven, Magneto, Quicksilver, Beast, Jean, Cyclops, Nightcrawler and Storm.

Moira is still a possibility though I feel like she's just excess baggage at this point. And ugh, I don't see them demoting Magneto and Mystique to supporting roles over Cyclops and Storm. Beast would probably just be "there" again. So just transport me back to Dofp's future period ending if we are getting that.

 

[marvelrobbins]

A lot of fans do care. They shouldn't recast until they reboot.

Personally, I want Ellen Page and Anna Paquin back.

The anti-fox people refuse to accept first off with DOFP they erased original trilogy from timeline it was about doing away with films so films with FC cast
could do what they want without having to worry about what went on in those
films.Kinberg in 2014 said now characters could be born earlier which is how jubilee,angel,psylocke were in apocalypse.and that is also how deadpool is in present since origins had him in 1970's.now while i am not naive to think before another reboot there isn't a chance a future director wouldn't ignore future ending of DOFP for now earliest you could introduce teenage versions of
colossus,kitty,iceman,rogue are early 2000's set X-Men film.Kinberg himself claimed baring another time travel story they intend to keep the future ending of DOFP as canon but that depends on singer's replacement.

Even in the event lawrence came back,which isn't a given with how she badmouthed X-Men,there is no telling she would dominate film.Even in apocalypse she didn't dominate film as much as some claim.jean was real female lead of film.jackman was in DOFP and it was clearly an Xavier film.and i argue more about him,magneto,and mystique than wolverine.wolverine was to try to guide Xavier.

people want them to do films without 3 biggest stars of original cast-Jackman,Patrick stewart,and Ian Mckellen.what they are forgetting they still cost high salary.they helped push the budget of DOFP so high.I also heard from some they shouldn't bring back Famke janssen because she is too old and a few of original cast work in TV which can be tough on
scheduling.they said scheduling the DOFP shoot was nightmare because of the actors various schedules.

 

[psylockolussus]

Within the context of this series, yes they are the b-listers. If the series were to "evolve" beyond the 2023 "present day" setting then the likes of Paquin, Page, and Ashmore would be headlining. Correct? Or is the whole gang returning? No matter how unrealistic/delusional that is? And the new cast has an X-Men team now. The end of Apocalypse set that up quite clearly. Plenty of time to work with them. And for the record, Gambit and Rouge are my favorite X-Men. But I'm not ever going to let that distort my views on this film series. You need to have some realistic expectations. I don't care if those characters are not in the past. As long as a solid X-Men team is then it's all good. A present day cast is not going to work for a laundry list of reasons. only other option is reboot.

No, I did not say Paquin, Page and Ashmore should headline, beyond the 2023 period as I still included Marsden, Berry, Jannsen,Grammer and whoever is playing Colossus. All of them should co headline. Are you the one who is deluding things here? Yes. I also wanted Channing to join the cast and that should solve your problem of lacking of big stars. And even if those 3 headline a X-Men film? So what? Like as if X-Men could headline a movie with Sheridan, Turner, McPhee and Shipp and could make it as successful as the other bigger X-Men movies. Right? And in the context of the series, Cyclops, Nightcrawler and Storm are as B listers as Rogue, Iceman, Kitty. Storm was somewhat popular because of oh Halle Berry., while James was popular as Cyclops. But those two were never given much importance compare to Wolverine, Mystique, Xavier,Jean and Magneto. In Apocalypse, they were still supporting characters, the other one was a silent henchman. So who are you calling b listers now?

You care more about the new cast than the characters themselves. And you don't see how they are limiting the X-Men with what they can do, which characters to use, that there is more room for continuity errors every time they set it up in the past and obviously you are ignoring the box office history of this franchise.

 

[Nick Morton]

You care more about the new cast than the characters themselves. And you don't see how they are limiting the X-Men with what they can do, which characters to use, that there is more room for continuity errors every time they set it up in the past and obviously you are ignoring the box office history of this franchise.

If fox cared about continuity errors Nightcrawler would not show up before X2 among other things

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well in X2 they never said nightcrawler wasn't an X-Man in 1983... ok well i tried

 

[marvelrobbins]

If fox cared about continuity errors Nightcrawler would not show up before X2 among other things

X2 along with X-Men and last stand have been erased from timeline.they were free to use him in apocalypse.

 

[The Endless]

Not Fox, but Singer. The genre has evolved since X2. Singer hasn't. How many great mutant characters have been wasted in his films? So much wasted potential.

The X franchise needs a breath of fresh air. Someone with a different style and new ideas.

 

[Nick Morton]

Not Fox, but Singer. The genre has evolved since X2. Singer hasn't. How many great mutant characters have been wasted in his films? So much wasted potential.

The X franchise needs a breath of fresh air. Someone with a different style and new ideas.

FOX is in charge & allowed Singer to do that so they obviously do not care / has no quality control

 

[Nick Morton]

X2 along with X-Men and last stand have been erased from timeline.they were free to use him in apocalypse.

Technically they all still exist just in an Alternate Timeline t: they are not erased just in another Universe. Only X-Men related movies I have any interest in at this point is Deadpool anyway. Don't care about the rest until FOX completely reboots

 

[NotNickFury]

Not Fox, but Singer. The genre has evolved since X2. Singer hasn't. How many great mutant characters have been wasted in his films? So much wasted potential.

The X franchise needs a breath of fresh air. Someone with a different style and new ideas.

Even with Singer now gone for the moment, you still have Kinberg greatly involved and possibly writing the next main series X-Men film. That's a whole larger problem right there. But hopefully the breath of fresh air comes with what Josh Boone offers with New Mutants.

 

[Nick Morton]

Even with Singer now gone for the moment, you still have Kinberg greatly involved and possibly writing the next main series X-Men film

Another reason I have no interest in the main X-Men movies until FOX reboots & fires Kinberg since if they kept him its not a reboot at all. He must be a really cheap writer since they like keeping him around

 

[NotNickFury]

Another reason I have no interest in the main X-Men movies until FOX reboots & fires Kinberg since if they kept him its not a reboot at all. He must be a really cheap writer since they like keeping him around

Personally, I wouldn't go as firing altogether. As a writer and director, sure, but I do think Kinberg has some usefulness as a producer. On the Deadpool commentary, the writers said that it's because of Kinberg helping safeguard the project that the film maintained the tone that that it had. So while I'd be fine if Kinberg didn't write anything X-Men related, he's good as a producer.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Honestly it doesn't matter if kinberg is writing because it depends on the director they get and what changes are made because of that.

But at the same time something has to be remembered and thats singer leaving isn't a sign of that someone is gonna come onboard to abandon what he set up because they feel they know better or something, no if you look at what both ratner and vaughn did they both added their own tonal direction but overall stay very respectful to what singer did whether it was the good or the bad or whether it was done well or not done well, it was all still there.

 

[Nick Morton]

Honestly it doesn't matter if kinberg is writing because it depends on the director they get and what changes are made because of that.

But at the same time something has to be remembered and thats singer leaving isn't a sign of that someone is gonna come onboard to abandon what he set up because they feel they know better or something, no if you look at what both ratner and vaughn did they both added their own tonal direction but overall stay very respectful to what singer did whether it was the good or the bad or whether it was done well or not done well, it was all still there.

In the event fox one day reboots I would not want Kinberg involved the direct behind the scenes stuff. If hes a good producer thats fine but we need new blood completely in the event of a full reboot somewhere down the line

 

[BeholdMe]

In response to the original posters question, Is Fox killing the XMen? I would personally say yes and no. I say yes because for the most part whomever is in charge cant seem to get a proper grip on most of the X-Men they use, its like they just throw them in a movie and dont develop them,instead resorting to utilizing the same few characters over and over revolving the movie around them as well as rehashing the same little storylines from film to film. I think the franchise just needs a full reboot, with fresh ideas and writers on board as well as someone to assist Kinberg because hes not that good with the franchise. They should be just as involved with the backstory and fleshing out of every character playing a part in the movie. As well as enough of the killings of popular characters offscreen im still peeved they killed off Emma,Banshee(whom couldve spun off with Gen X),Darwin even how they decided to kill off Havok it was just foolish. They need to retire the all black leather and never bring that back,I understand why it was used initially but no more. Now I would say no because with the merchandise,games,comics thats not solely Fox's fault so they cant be only to blame. Im just over seeing my favorite characters butchered onscreen.

 

[magneto23]

No, I did not say Paquin, Page and Ashmore should headline, beyond the 2023 period as I still included Marsden, Berry, Jannsen,Grammer and whoever is playing Colossus. All of them should co headline.

So the whole gang minus Wolverine. 55 year old Jean and Storm to boot. Nice. Makes sense. Where's Charles?

Are you the one who is deluding things here? Yes.

There is always the possibility. But I doubt it in this case.

I also wanted Channing to join the cast and that should solve your problem of lacking of big stars.

The more the merrier . What is that 10 X-Men?

And even if those 3 headline a X-Men film? So what? Like as if X-Men could headline a movie with Sheridan, Turner, McPhee and Shippand could make it as successful as the other bigger X-Men movies. Right?

100% yes they could. If they're apart of a good movie then they could make it a success comparable to previous installments within the franchise. We're talking about young stars who are on the rise compared to stars who's careers have plateaued/descended.

And in the context of the series, Cyclops, Nightcrawler and Storm are as B listers as Rogue, Iceman, Kitty. Storm was somewhat popular because of oh Halle Berry., while James was popular as Cyclops.

Well there's your difference. While Nightcrawler was a notable standout in arguably the best film in this series.

But those two were never given much importance compare to Wolverine, Mystique, Xavier,Jean and Magneto. In Apocalypse, they were still supporting characters, the other one was a silent henchman. So who are you calling b listers now?

The 2nd stringers from the OT. Hands down. In Apocalypse, they were supporting characters, that's true. That was just their introduction though. If the next film rolls around and they are still playing second fiddle to the likes of Magneto/Mystique you'd have me dead to rights.

You care more about the new cast than the characters themselves. And you don't see how they are limiting the X-Men with what they can do, which characters to use, that there is more room for continuity errors every time they set it up in the past

I'm just realistic about the state of things. You don't go BACKWARDS to a cast you ditched. An aging cast that relied far too heavily on Jackman, the guy that's leaving the franchise. I can wait to see Rogue. It sucks, but I can wait. And they have a clean slate to work with almost. Only thing they have to adhere to is DOFP ending. That's a pretty big sand box of time and characters that they have to play with. You have a solid young team to work with. You build and develop them over time.

and obviously you are ignoring the box office history of this franchise.

That's just what it is. History. Things change. A good couple movies and #s will undoubtedly trend back up.

 

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I wanna see some new characters blend with some of the original cast. Imagine, for example, bringing in all of Magneto's children (Polaris, SW, QS)? They could really work well in a Genosha or Asteroid M film.

They've got Evan Peters as Quicksilver (pretty popular character)

and could cast other popular actors like Emmy Rossum as Scarlet Witch

and Emilia Clarke from Game of Thrones as Polaris.

And then with Shadowcat, Cyclops, Beast, Emma Frost and X-23, you've already got a pretty solid X-team.

Edit: I might be thinking House of M here. But I really think the Asteroid M story adapted to the video game Legends I is worthy of film adaptation.

 

[2kt09]

"Dude...give Magneto a break" <-would be one of the bigger things I'd hear to support Fox is Killing X-Men

 

[magneto23]

I wanna see some new characters blend with some of the original cast. Imagine, for example, bringing in all of Magneto's children (Polaris, SW, QS)? They could really work well in a Genosha or Asteroid M film.

They've got Evan Peters as Quicksilver (pretty popular character)

Peters is a part of the new cast though. He's not going to be blending with the original cast.

 

[X-Maniac]

In Apocalypse, they were supporting characters, that's true. That was just their introduction though. If the next film rolls around and they are still playing second fiddle to the likes of Magneto/Mystique you'd have me dead to rights.

Remember the Hollywood Reporter article? That said: "Singer, who directed four X-Men movies, will not be returning, according to insiders, but the script is being written with Lawrence, Fassbender and McAvoy optimistically in mind."

No mention of the other characters. Makes it sound like more of that second fiddle for Jean, Storm, Scott, Nightcrawler, Jubilee. Whoopee. Let's get this party started.

And you wonder why frustration is growing even among the diehard X-Men fans. A Marvel reboot might be the only salvation for these key characters, i'm beginning to think.

 

[Frankeh]

But at the same time something has to be remembered and thats singer leaving isn't a sign of that someone is gonna come onboard to abandon what he set up because they feel they know better or something, no if you look at what both ratner and vaughn did they both added their own tonal direction but overall stay very respectful to what singer did whether it was the good or the bad or whether it was done well or not done well, it was all still there.

I don't see Vaughn staying very respectful to what Singer established tbh. He retired his black leather. Most of the backstory mentioned in X1 is retconned. But Singer was behind most of these decisions so... he disrespected himself I guess.

 

[Frankeh]

Remember the Hollywood Reporter article? That said: "Singer, who directed four X-Men movies, will not be returning, according to insiders, but the script is being written with Lawrence, Fassbender and McAvoy optimistically in mind."

No mention of the other characters. Makes it sound like more of that second fiddle for Jean, Storm, Scott, Nightcrawler, Jubilee. Whoopee. Let's get this party started.

I'd like to think its because the contracts of those three have expired, but yeah, that quote was dissapointing.

I will never be convinced by any of the posters here that Kinberg (plus other producers) believe in Jean Storm and Cyclops (amongst other X-Men) carrying a movie. They absolutely prioritize Charles and Magneto, and then think about the rest.

 

[psylockolussus]

I am telling you a fourth Fc film would heavily focus on the FC 3 unless Fox is mad at JLaw for that comment or if JLaw finally turns down the role. Fox loves Fassbender and Fassbender enjoys the role. So yeah, you First Class fans should celebrate and find more reasons why X-Men should stay in the past.

@X-er, I would love to see Polaris!

 

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^ I know right?