Comics Is Franklin Richards the most powerful mutant?

[WarthenMan]

 

[OutcryX]

well sinister would have been aware of the genes of reed richards and susan storm and at least would have made an effort to get samples of them in order to further evolution, which makes me think of the limits of franklin in comparison to cable.


at one point or another cable and franklin richards (as well as nate grey) have been called the most powerful mutants on earth. The fact onslaught chased them both and required them shows cable must be up there with him.

Sinister would pay no attention to Reed and Sue at all due to the fact that they were both plain ordinary average people, gene/mutation wise...until they went up in that space ship and came back as "The World's Greatest Superheroes"

 

[Franklin Richards]

Sinister wouldn't mess with them anyway. He'd get his ass handed to him.

 

[WarthenMan]

yea thats true

 

[Snikt 6]

Does anyone know when he was depowered? And if he is...then he's not the most powerful anymore...is he. I give it to Scarlet Witch also, even though I could care less about her character, she seems like she could do the most damage.

 

[javon]

Is Jean "up there" with Franklin and Nate? Didn't she/ can't she create universes and such?

 

[Snikt 6]

^ I think she would need he Phoenix force for type of power. Jean Grey alone is not that powerful IMO.

 

[Cyclops]

Oh, for the love of God... don't bring Jean into this.

 

[Nature's Rising]

I think him being depowered is the best idea for the character. If you're that powerful, you're either dead or.....dead.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

I really don't like that whole "OMEGA CLASS" rating, only because when you really can't put him in the same category as Jamie Braddock, Legion, Kid Omega, Iceman, and Jean... simply because he's far more powerful than them.

And I'll use Iceman as an example... Franklin can kick the living crap out of Bobby with a blink of his eye, yet they are both in the same standard Omega class rating... A category that should be re-thought and re-examined IMO.

 

[Nature's Rising]

If you look at it, even though how much powerful Franklin is, Hyperstorm can still wipe the floor with him. Now just look at both of them, both are like uber-powerful, it's beyond comprehension! But anyway, I think I read somewhere that Franklin is below Celestial level, which is pretty extraordinary for being just being a mutant.

 

[Snikt 6]

I really don't like that whole "OMEGA CLASS" rating, only because when you really can't put him in the same category as Jamie Braddock, Legion, Kid Omega, Iceman, and Jean... simply because he's far more powerful than them.

Totally agree. This whole Omega Class junk really kinda takes some of the fun and wonder out of certain powers...and replaces them with confusion. I dont like it and think its unneeded, IMO.

 

[Cyclops]

Omega Mutant is nothing more than an excuse for fanboys of certain characters to go crazy in vs. threads. Crazier than normal.

 

[Snikt 6]

^Ha, your right. But at least it gives fans of Iceman something to talk about....

 

[November Rain]

Sinister wouldn't mess with them anyway. He'd get his ass handed to him.

well scott and the pheonix are hardly pushovers...

 

[HandOfFate]

Omega Mutant is nothing more than an excuse for fanboys of certain characters to go crazy in vs. threads. Crazier than normal.

True...

 

[javon]

^ I think she would need he Phoenix force for type of power. Jean Grey alone is not that powerful IMO.

From what I heard, she had some Phoenix Raptor when she met Scott or some bogus crap like that. I just thought that since Phoenix Fans always say "She was meant o be Phoenix and she was always the Phoenix" (something like that), then Jean wouls still have her power. And it's been said around that she can create universes.

 

[BrianWilly]

Jean Grey is the most powerful mutant. This is canon, incidentally. She has been specifically referred to as "the ultimate mutation." The Phoenix Force, which is Jean's by right of blood, has been specifically referred to as second only to the creator, and we have seen her perform feats of just that level. This is canon supported by at least four different writers at this point -- maybe more -- and I'm willing to bet that a reasonable amount of people here can even point to the exact place in the comics where this was stated. It is not wild, unspeculated fanboy musing.

And for the love of Buddha, Jamie Braddock is not an omega class mutant. I don't even understand why you would think that, it's not as if we haven't had dozens upon dozens of discussions on this very subject on this very board which I'm willing to bet that you yourself participated in.

See, this is the only thing wrong with having omega class mutants. For some reason, no one can figure out or remember what being an omega class mutant actually means, despite the fact that it is constantly spelled out for them. Being an omega class mutant does not necessarily mean that you can "kick the living crap" out of someone. So whether or not Franklin could kick Iceman's ass has no bearing at all, whatsoever, or whether either of them are omega class or not. Colossus could kill Elixir with his pinky, but Josh is an omega class mutant whereas Colossus isn't. Emma Frost did beat Rachel Grey in a telepathic battle, but Rachel is omega and Emma is bush-league. That is simply not what the category is about, and the fact that it constantly gets brought up, even in jest or derision, just shows that people are still missing the point.

Being an omega class mutant means you have unlimited potential. And yes, it's exactly what it sounds like. Not "unlimited destruction," not "unlimited strength," and not "unlimited killing." Unlimited potential. Why is there even any confusion? I just don't understand it. It means exactly what it sounds like. Seriously, everyone in this entire forum should just go and read X-Men Forever already. I'm not even kidding, that alone would solve pretty much all the problems. That one single miniseries answers every single question you could possibly have about omega class mutants.

 

[javon]

Ummmm....thanks.

 

[HandOfFate]

Jean Grey is the most powerful mutant.

I wouldn't go that far. Jean is powerful (without the Phoenix Force backing her up) but Franklin and Wanda might be more powerful overall.

I hope I just didn't open another can of worms.

 

[Snikt 6]

^Um, me thinks you did. But I feel Jean really is the most powerful mutant. No one else seems to hold the Phoenix in check as much as she has.....besides her daughter. Part of what makes her powerful is the fact that she alone can contain the Phoenix force...like to see Wanda or little Frank try that....

 

[HandOfFate]

Part of what makes her powerful is the fact that she alone can contain the Phoenix force...like to see Wanda or little Frank try that....

Given their powers, they probably can. AAMOF, Wanda can make herself the avatar of the Phoenix Force, if she want too.

 

[Cyclops]

Dammit, BrianWilly, what did I say?!

 

[BrianWilly]

I heard "lalalala Jean lalaala."

 

[Red Mask]

I wouldn't go that far. Jean is powerful (without the Phoenix Force backing her up) but Franklin and Wanda might be more powerful overall.

I hope I just didn't open another can of worms.

Their abilities are the most miraculous. Can't say for sure which has more power in the energy sense.