Is orgins still apart of the timeline now?

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  1. bhayes

    bhayes Well-Known Member

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    After seeing the recent bone claws picture. does that mean that we should consider orgins apart of timeline again?

    i thought they were trying to distance themselves from the whole plot of orgins. because the question will now be "how did he go from bone claws to metal ones?"

    and the answers lie in the orgins film.

    i mean the opening scene in orgins shows logan with bone claws . he is born with them

    should there be a scene where he fully remembers hIs nightmare's about the weapon x project (using EXTENDED x2 and x1 weapon x footage) where he fully remembers going from bone claws to metal ones making things more clear.
     
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  2. Alexei Belyakov

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    I don't think it is.
     
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    okay. but i'm thinking of the casual viewer who doesn't read the comics. or a person in another country who didn't grow up with wolverine or the cartoon series who looks at the film dubbed in their language.

    the little kids and casual viewers must be confused by first class and orgins. too many contradictions. and now we get a wwII flashback with bone claws which atleast visually links The Wolverine to Orgins or atleast the opening scene.
     
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  4. The Infernal

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    I don't see many people being confused by it because the answer isn't just in Origins. The adamantium process was shown briefly in X1 and X2 and the process itself is one of the more recognisable aspects of Wolverine's story. I'm sure most people can put two and two together and will just realise he had bone claws to begin with.
     
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    if we get a flashback of him with bone claws the casual audience and anyone who hasn't done there research will assume its continuity with origins

    but then who says it isnt? Aronofsky said it was a stand alone movie but now we got a new director now who may want to connect the films
     
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    All the X-Men films are in continuity to me
     
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  7. danoyse

    danoyse Snikt. Stab. Repeat.

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    Even for someone unfamiliar with the comics, it shouldn't be entirely inconceivable that he had bone claws prior to Weapon X. Even without Origins, the first two movies established that he'd been experimented on.
     
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  8. bhayes

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    i just think that somehow in the story -- they need to establish that orgins didn't happen. also i think this conflicts with x2 and x1 because --

    Stryker says "you're an animal then and you're an animal now -- i just gave you claws" -- but now wolverine always had the claws.

    i say we should get flashes of extended x2 and x1 weapon x footage -- with new footage showing bone claws getting the adamantium treatment.

    that nonsense we saw in orgins was a disgrace.

    hugh has even admitted that he wants to right the wrongs of the past film.

    by the way -- who's fault is it that orgins got screwed up the way it did.

    was it tom rothman's fault? did the studio interference mess things up?

    in the first two x-men films wolverine has lost memory. and at the end of x men 2 he learns from stryker that he was once an animal and a bad person. but ultimately he only learns that he signed up for the adamantium bonding process. he still doesn't know about his life before that point.

    stryker suggests that wolverine was a bad / evil guy.

    so now in the new film wolverine remembers his whole life, where he was born and can remember being in WWII and having bone claws too?

    so to fix things i say he should have a slight flashback to killing jean grey and then weapon x footage of him getting the adamantium on the bone claws.

    this way it doesn't acknowledge orgins. orgins is a bad dream that needs to be forgotten.

    thanks to first class and now the new wolverine film and Days of future past outline -- i think these 3 films can save the franchise. because really

    x men and wolverine need to be rebooted at this point. after the third first class film -- x men needs a reboot.
     
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  9. danoyse

    danoyse Snikt. Stab. Repeat.

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    I don't think they should waste any time trying to pretend that the other movie didn't happen. It did, feel free to ignore it.
     
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    I have confidence that the DOFP will fix everything. I think thats really why The Wolverine is sequel to everything and not a prequel to anything and DOFP will be a dual sequel to this and FC and they wont have to recon anything and reconcile everything..

    I guarantee it:up:
     
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  12. bhayes

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    u could be right. i'm just tired of the continuity errors.

    i really feel there should be some dialogue maybe that erases the whole "victor is my brother" element.

    in orgins they make it seem as though victor and logan were always by each other side during those wars.

    Maybe now logan is a sole survivor and has been all his life and he is immortal and somehow that can retcon orgins and the whole James Howlett on the plantation thing. maybe they'll

    i hope its not like a highlander flashback and we see the return of an old enemy.

    they need make it seem like there was never a victor/sabertooth and that orgins didn't happen.

    and as for DOFP

    I have a feeling that wolverine will be the time traveler. or maybe ellen page and wolverine can both travel in time.

    and a older wolverine will and a grown up ellen page will end up wearing a "first class" uniform. that would be cool because there really aren't any cool mutants on the team now.

    magneto and mystique are now evil and we just have beast, havok and a crippled xavier.

    maybe to further retcon orgins we should get the blob to be a member of magneto's new brother hood.

    i personally think they should reunite the surviving cast from x3

    beast, angel, rougue, wolverine, shoadow cat, ice man, storm and have them working with magneto and the morlocks against sentinels in a terminator like future

    and they send back a older wolverine.
     
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    or.. Wolverine, Kitty Pryde, Storm, Angel, Ice Man, etc can ALL go back to the past.

    It's like the new comic series "All New X-Men", where the 60's Scott/Jean/Angel/Beast/Iceman are brought to the present to form a team with Storm/Wolverine/Rogue, but in reverse.
     
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    I'm sure of it.
     
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  15. psyonic

    psyonic X-Man

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    Wolverine has his own movie coming out next year, I doubt he will be the time traveler. He has been the focus of X1–X3, it would be overkill to have him be a main in DoFP. Plus the scene with him being destroyed by the Sentinel is pretty iconic, so I'm betting he will die and the traveler will try to fix everything. It would make more sense to have a mutant who wasn't around in the 60's to go back because it wouldn't interfere with him/herself in the past i.e. Kitty, Rogue, someone who is younger.
     
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  16. Alexei Belyakov

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    The time traveler is the star of the film. Its the lead role.

    They're not gonna make Ellen Page or Anna Paquin the star of the film.

    Jackman's the most likely candidate.
     
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    surely if he is in a solo film next year they won't bring wolverine back so soon as a main character for Xmen DOFP

    he could be back as a cameo maybe at the start of film in the future where we see a fight between him and sentinals which he ends up being killed in just to show us how bad things have actually become in the future, after all wolverine has been seen as the hero in the past films except first class so seeing him die will be a big Shock :wow:

    if wolverine dies you know we are talking serious S***
     
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  18. marvelrobbins

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    X-men;Days of future Past opens against a little film called The Hobbit:There and Back Again.Ask yourself wouldn't getting Hugh Jackman In major role create the most
    attention and give film greater chance of success.

    Jackman sharing screen with Michael Fassbender and Jennifer Lawrence.That would be great.

    It's going to come down to will Hugh after finishing The Wolverine be willing to take a major role In anoither X film so soon.It Is his court.If Bryan Singer steps In to take over
    as director of DOFP as expected that Increases chances of that.

    I am hoping The Wolverine has post credits scene giving first look at Days of future Past.
     
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    You could have wolverine as a cameo and still show him in the trailers and things to promote the film, its not like FOX hasn't done it before, aka deadpool

    give wolverine a decent fight, a few badass lines, maybe with bishop and someone else, cut some of that in trailer and people will be excited

    i don't see why it has to be a major role a year after his solo film

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  20. bhayes

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    i have a good idea. make ellen page the time traveler. show wolverine dying in the future just like in the comic at the hands of sentienls. since colossus and storm are around in x3 they an be resistance fighters and it cam be similar to the comic.

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    so ellen page travels back and meets with xavier and the team but midway thru the film ellen page convinces the team that they have to enlist wolverine to help stop the preventable event. and they get the wolverine from the first class cameo.

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    but the trick is this is the same "bone claws" wolverine we saw in the WWII cameo from The Wolverine.

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    but during the battle wolverine gets his bone claws damaged or ripped out/crushed and he ends up claw-less and he meets up with stryker and learns about adamantium. also stryker and his son jason can be introduced too.

    but this 60's wolverine is more bad ass and is meaner. He's the bad ass that stryker hints that he is in x2.

    but ellen page and xavier convince him to help out and not be selfish.

    but this is a good way to erase orgins and just have dialogue that establish the fact that the timeline is that x-men1 - the wolverine is its own timeline. similar to star trek reboot where they establish that the new timeline and old timelines are different.

    and first class is its own trilogy

    but that orgins is some kind of bad dream

    and i think they need to establish that first class timeline is an alternate past and the xmen triliogy/the wolverine is an alternate parallel future.
     
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  21. psyonic

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    I wouldn't say the traveler will be the star of the film. I think McAvoy, Fassbender and Lawrence will be the stars. They will most likely kill off Logan.
     
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    ^ Waaay too much Wolverine for me.
     
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  23. x-fan

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    Have you guys never read a comic? Wolverine having bone claws wasn't revealed in origins, It was revealed in a little Arc called Fatal Attractions were Magneto ripped the metal from Logan's skeleton and then we find out that the claws are just bone covered not solid bone, check it out It's a nice read. that being said, when marvel wrote the Origins story they did it so that hollywood couldn't write Logan's back story. Fatal Attractions revealed bone claws origins had to incorporate it, so the movie had to reveal it that way, just like the movies would have it they had not showed it in the opening sequence.
     
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    Yep I knew that.I got the Issue as part of my vast X-Men comic collection.
     
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    The sad thing is they could have made the origin Movie using the Mini series as a close guise then did weapon x then for the third and likely last Hugh Jackman starred japan Mini, all of which should have used the source material heavily seeing that it is a movie based on a known person or character. this route would have ensured we were not having this discussion, cause they would have been stand alone movies.
     
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