Is Secret Invasion racist?

Yeah, but its kinda based on a true story. Did the Persians not invade Greece with it's massive army? Liberties may have been taken, but I mean come on, Army of Millions verses an army of few? It's ingrained in the human spirit to root for the underdog.

Yeah, but the whole argument is that 300 deliberately twists history in some pretty overtly racist ways.

It wasn't anything I found bad enough as to make it unwatchable, but "bestial swarthy-skinned hordes of The Other" tropes were on that movie like designer footwear in the Sex and the City flick.
 
You trying to say that they weren't a "Beastly swarthy-skinned horde" before they found Allah?
 
I'm not really someone to go into threads just to tell the thread creator how stupid their thread is...

But this is the stupidest f-ing thread I have ever seen in my life.

Thinking the topic of the thread is stupid is one thing, but there's no need for personal insults.
- Corp
 
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Okay, Dial it back a bit there Green Genes. No need to get personal.
 
Err... I mean, Iceburg has a valid opinion and we should really consider his POV fairly...
 
Yeah, but its kinda based on a true story. Did the Persians not invade Greece with it's massive army? Liberties may have been taken, but I mean come on, Army of Millions verses an army of few? It's ingrained in the human spirit to root for the underdog.

It's kind of weird through, the 300 story is based around a tale written by Roman "historians" hundreds of years after the fact - how most people think of Sparta is all based on myths the Romans spread to portray a people and an ideal that they themselves wanted to live up too - it never really existed. For instance they would bring up the 300 story to inspire young soldiers to be the best warriors they can be to live up to this ideal persona.

So already we know the 300 story is a story about the perfect White people defeating Arab, Black, Asian etc forces.

Then Miller gets his hands on it and the Persians are no longer the scholars and philosophers and amazing tacticians that they were they are a hungry deformed horde of a people made up of all these races with all deformities in the world rabid and hungry to defeat these perfect white soldiers. Honestly if you look at modern propaganda such as the Nazi stuff about Jews or even early comic book drawings of Asians the Persian army looks the same as these. It just builds to an incredibly right wing almost fascist feeling comic book.

So the myth itself existed to be a Nationalistic tale and then Miller's interpretation and drawings just seem to intensify this. It's akin to someone doing an Alamo story and have the Mexicans portrayed as demonic sterotypes.

Not to say MILLER IS A RACIST but those feelings are ingrained in the story.

Sorry, who invited the Ancient Historian :)
 
It's kind of weird through, the 300 story is based around a tale written by Roman "historians" hundreds of years after the fact - how most people think of Sparta is all based on myths the Romans spread to portray a people and an ideal that they themselves wanted to live up too - it never really existed. For instance they would bring up the 300 story to inspire young soldiers to be the best warriors they can be to live up to this ideal persona.

So already we know the 300 story is a story about the perfect White people defeating Arab, Black, Asian etc forces.


Perfect White People? Greeks and Middle Eastern peoples look about the same.

Then Miller gets his hands on it and the Persians are no longer the scholars and philosophers and amazing tacticians that they were they are a hungry deformed horde of a people made up of all these races with all deformities in the world rabid and hungry to defeat these perfect white soldiers. Honestly if you look at modern propaganda such as the Nazi stuff about Jews or even early comic book drawings of Asians the Persian army looks the same as these. It just builds to an incredibly right wing almost fascist feeling comic book.

That's not true. They weren't all deformed freaks. They were just soldiers mostly.

So the myth itself existed to be a Nationalistic tale and then Miller's interpretation and drawings just seem to intensify this. It's akin to someone doing an Alamo story and have the Mexicans portrayed as demonic sterotypes.

Not to say MILLER IS A RACIST but those feelings are ingrained in the story.

Sorry, who invited the Ancient Historian :)

I don't know, do I look like the Rockford files to you? :p
 
I don't know, do I look like the Rockford files to you? :p

Man, I love the Rockford Files...

Anyway, I guess i should say "European" than White given when the tale was written Rome was owned most of mainland Europe and it was furthering their borders in the East that they were mainly interested in. But then the movie did decide to cast the Spartans as Scottish which felt a little weird to me.
 
If they wanted to go for historical accuracy, they woulda cast everybody that was in my big fat Greek wedding in that movie.
 
SI is more like reverse racism.

Racism in it's classic sense is prejudice+ power. So, Hitler and the Jews would be racism. Whites and the blacks in the 1800s would be racism.

Humans hating Skrulls, a more powerful race who invaded their, is more like Jews hating Germans in the 40s; it's wrong, but not completely unfounded.

As for Clint's "This doesn't stop until every one of them are dead" he was speaking of the invaders I believe, not the whole race. I don't think Barton means to kill a skrull infant 200 light years away, just the ones who are invading Earth.

When we think of them in terms of say, hating Al Queda instead of hating all Arabic people, then yes that's okay; you're hating a group of people for their actions; that they all happen to be of the same race is irrelevant.

The second you switch from "Kill all Terrorists" to "Kill all Arabs" you become a racist, and you are no longer justified. I had this argument with a girl who's brother died in Iraq. She said that we should "Kill all (Arabs in the middle east)". Pain is not an excuse to condone genocide.

I don't think the books are racist, however, the adds could be construed as racist; none of the Skrulls in question show any signs of doing anything but living among us. For example, the picture of the little skrull girl eating ice cream with two human children; we're supposed to want that girl out of our planet, cause her skin is green and her chin has divets? THAT is racism.

But when push comes to shove, it's a comic book; who cares.
 
As for Clint's "This doesn't stop until every one of them are dead" he was speaking of the invaders I believe, not the whole race. I don't think Barton means to kill a skrull infant 200 light years away, just the ones who are invading Earth.
You never know. People who say similar things are likely to believe that that infant will just grow up to be another terrorist/invader/whatever later on. You can claim Clint's not so far gone that he'd believe that, but I would've argued that Clint's not so far gone that he'd swear death on all the invaders before this whole ordeal, so what do we really know about how far Bendis is willing to take him?
 
If Marvel had the balls, they'd take this to some kinda Avengers Foreveresque, Galactic Avengers Battalion territory.
 
If Marvel had the balls, they'd take this to some kinda Avengers Foreveresque, Galactic Avengers Battalion territory.
I'd be very sad to see that in anything other than an alternate reality.
 
I'd be very sad to see that in anything other than an alternate reality.

Ultimate Secret invasion; although they've already done the whole jigonistic overbearing American Superhero team what, twice?:woot:
 
I'd be very sad to see that in anything other than an alternate reality.


Hey, Spider-Man sold his marriage to the devil. I'm just sticking around to see how badly they can f**k this whole thing up.
 
Ultimate Secret invasion; although they've already done the whole jigonistic overbearing American Superhero team what, twice?:woot:

They already did that. Millar devoted an arc of The Ultimates and an arc of Ultimate FF to fighting The Skrulls, both of which were full of secrecy and invasions. And religious zealots.
 
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They already did that. Millar devoted an arc of The Ultimates and an arc of Ultimate FF to fighting The Skrulls, both of which were full of secrecy and invasions. And religious zealots.

..Thus me saying they've already done that...twice...
 

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