is sentry the next big thing?

Yet you've wasted precious time here talking about it. Spend your time more wisely and argue about Goku like a real man.
 
I didn't know about the Wizard thing I think that is kind of cool and a bit funny. I probably would have read Sentry if I knew about it.

Kind of reminds me of the start of Fargo when it says the the film is a true story. When it isn't at all. If it gets people more interested in the story then why not.
 
Dread said:
"Dignified"? That's easy. How about IMMORTAL IRON FIST? No problem with that one. Rand had some hype from his stint as DD, full page ads in comics, articles in WIZARD and Newsarama, and an A-List creative team of the red-hot Brubaker and Aja, as well as Fraction and others for flashbacks. That's just off the top of my head. Basically, any marketting ploy that doesn't have a counsel of people outright LYING, I don't mean "spin" or manipulation but a bold faced, straight up lie, is better. And like I have kept saying, THE SENTRY's hoax was fortunately never repeated, so they learned their lesson.
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Yes, and its sales are through the roof! Oh wait, they aren't.:huh:
 
Darthphere said:
Yes, and its sales are through the roof! Oh wait, they aren't.:huh:
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You merely asked if I felt there was a "dignified" marketting campaign and I gave a quick, recent example. By your own admission you claim THE SENTRY did "modestly" back in 2000, so you lose your right to bemoan IMMORTAL IRON FIST for selling in the Top 52-65 (and will likely keep diving). You can't change the rules of a point if I make a valid one.

I could name others, just that was the first off my head.

YOUNG AVENGERS was promoted decently and got violently negative reactions, myself included, and then blasted them sky high to be a solid hit. But they were all touted as new characters, not "long lost sidekicks that Stan and John Romita forgot about". Same with MOON KNIGHT (only with better expectations), etc. I could go on and on. I don't hate everything. Sheesh.
 
Dread said:
You merely asked if I felt there was a "dignified" marketting campaign and I gave a quick, recent example. By your own admission you claim THE SENTRY did "modestly" back in 2000, so you lose your right to bemoan IMMORTAL IRON FIST for selling in the Top 52-65 (and will likely keep diving). You can't change the rules of a point if I make a valid one.

I could name others, just that was the first off my head.

YOUNG AVENGERS was promoted decently and got violently negative reactions, myself included, and then blasted them sky high to be a solid hit. But they were all touted as new characters, not "long lost sidekicks that Stan and John Romita forgot about". Same with MOON KNIGHT (only with better expectations), etc. I could go on and on. I don't hate everything. Sheesh.
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The Iron Fist example sucked, simply because, he wasn't a new character. Young Avengers, well had the name Avengers on it. Thats why it sold. Moon Knight, well every dog has his day.

I find it funny that you think business is dignified and any marketing is moralistic at all. I wish i had such a naive world view as yourself.

I just found this in your last post, I thought it was hilarious:

THE SENTRY's hoax was fortunately never repeated, so they learned their lesson.
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What lesson is that exactly? LOL!
 
Darthphere said:
The Iron Fist example sucked, simply because, he wasn't a new character. Young Avengers, well had the name Avengers on it. Thats why it sold. Moon Knight, well every dog has his day.

I find it funny that you think business is dignified and any marketing is moralistic at all. I wish i had such a naive world view as yourself.
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I find it funny how I easily met your "challenge" for noting a marketting strategy for a comic I felt was fine, and now you're dismissing any examples I give for one reason after the other. Here was your "wish":

Darthphere said:
I wish Dread would point me to a "dignified" marketing ploy.
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You said nothing about it having to be regarding a new character, or an older character. You said nothing about whether it produced high sales, mediocre sales, or low sales (especially after noting how in 2000, THE SENTRY couldn't have scored blockbuster numbers otherwise we would have seen him before 2004). You merely asked me to point to one I felt was more "dignified" than basically lining up the entire heart of the industry and lying to the customers, and I rattled off a quick, recent example. Then two more. I could keep going, really, but I doubt you would accept any. If you wanted to add more criteria to any example that would have satisfied your "wish", you should have been more selective yesterday. Arguing a point is useless when one side refuses to concede it. And yes, I can see how I can be like that, too. Mission accomplished.

I do not believe that the world, or business, is as "moral" as you seem to believe. I know that at heart any business is about profits and how to get them, and any advertising strategy is an effort in manipulating the masses into getting a product that in most cases they really don't need and could live without. That doesn't mean they cannot have ethics or class. Most times when companies outright lie to customers, like "Big Tobacco", they're bright enough to wait until a lawsuit exposes it. They don't make a face and go, "nyuck, nyuck, SUCKERS!" after they've swallowed the bait. Again, it wasn't just the act itself, which was annoying enough, but this was a Marvel that had JUST come out of bankruptcy and really needed fan support to urge them onto better plastures. Of course, Marvel is far better off now than in 2000, thanks in no small measure to merchandising, movies, Hollywood hype, and yes, increasing comic sales. If the X-Line proved anything, it is that comic fans are at heart desperate suckers who will endure any number of abuses and remain loyal, from late books, arrogant writers, ever-increasing inserts, and even outright bold faced lies. And I will raise my hand and admit wholeheartedly to being one desperate sucker. I mean I still buy USM. I dread every issue and I still buy it.

Despite all that, THE SENTRY ruse just felt wrong, and unneeded.

Darthphere said:
I just found this in your last post, I thought it was hilarious:

"THE SENTRY's hoax was fortunately never repeated, so they learned their lesson."

What lesson is that exactly? LOL!
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The "lesson" I imagined was that it's not a good idea to get the entire industry, from legendary founders to fan-mags, and the editorial staff, to lie about the origins of a new creation just to create "instant hype" to cynically guarentee a hit. No one claimed that Arana or Gravity or Machine Teen or The Runaways were long lost creations by [INSERT LEGEND HERE] or whatever that never came to light. Of course, now you will probably go, "and see how poorly all did without it", but that is beside the point. The point was despite the fact that THE SENTRY sold, I think Marvel & Co. knew, especially after a recent crash in 1994, that tempting a fan revolt in so obvious a matter would be a misstep, and I can say I am glad that it is one they haven't taken. Joe was wise to realize that the tactic used for THE SENTRY was a one-shot deal and he shouldn't gamble on rolling a Lucky 7 with it again.

Keep on arguing, and I'll resolve to not ever read THE SENTRY even if I found it for free in a library. So far I just resolved not to pay a cent to read it, especially since I am not totally interested in Sentry and there are far more trades worth my time.

My opinion has already been overstated and I really don't think anything more can be said.
 
Dread said:
Keep on arguing, and I'll resolve to not ever read THE SENTRY even if I found it for free in a library. So far I just resolved not to pay a cent to read it, especially since I am not totally interested in Sentry and there are far more trades worth my time.

My opinion has already been overstated and I really don't think anything more can be said.
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Is that some type of threat? Oh noes, Dread wont read it, I better stop!


Read it, dont read it, I'll live either way.:whatever:


I'm not even asking you this at this point but does anybody recognize that the marketing campaign was purposefully supposed to reflect the theme and point of the The Sentry mini?
 
No Sentry is a emo tool.
 
He was a tool even before Bendis got his hands on him.

If Sentry was a metaphor he’d be a gun without a bullets. That's how useless he is.
 
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