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Is Super-Heroism Possible?

Well, I DO know for a fact that you literally redream everything you do the day prior and think as well. And usually other crazy stuff happens in dream states, usually as a blend of memories and creativity. I mean, I'm definitely not going to discount it as, "Impossible", but I don't want to just say, "Oh yeah, there's more than enough 'first hand experiences' for it to be wrong."

Because you can't quite literally do what you did in the past. I mean, there's no way you did all of those things with her in a similar sequence (though I doubt you remember the sequence perfectly from the dream), and such in the same day prior to that one. There's definitely something there, I just don't think there's an accurate way to put it yet.

Interestingly enough, tonight's episode of House dealt with this very subject! :-D

Dr.House had two dreams, both of which became reality in some way or another the next day.

One of the other doctors brought up the idea that perhaps when someone dreams a generic dream, the next day, he puts faces on things that happened in the dream without knowing and it seems like it was a premonition.

...although I guess that's not possible because I thought it was the girl before I actually saw her. I remember waking up and thinking about the dream.

BAH, humbug.
 
Well wearing a costume is a way of concealing your identity for safety, and making a fashion statement (whatever that might be).
 
It's not possible, but not because of science or lack of people that would love to grab some spandex and run around in the middle of the night with utility belts. There's plenty of that. The truth is a super-hero is supposed to be someone with abilities they didn't ask for that does the right thing for the right thing's sake. I don't believe there are people like this in the world. All we'd end up with are a bunch of supervillians and everyone else would have the unfortunate title of victim.
 
I don't believe that. I think that there is some good and decency in all of us. Even the most evil of people there is a spark of human goodness. Superheroes aren't just people in tight clothes running around and doing the right thing. Their people who have gifts and talents, not necessarily powers, that help and protect those in need.
 
It's not possible, but not because of science or lack of people that would love to grab some spandex and run around in the middle of the night with utility belts. There's plenty of that. The truth is a super-hero is supposed to be someone with abilities they didn't ask for that does the right thing for the right thing's sake. I don't believe there are people like this in the world. All we'd end up with are a bunch of supervillians and everyone else would have the unfortunate title of victim.

I don't know about that. Turmoil tends to be a real reason why people become halfway decent people sometimes, but not all the time. Most people are just good people.
 
I don't believe that. I think that there is some good and decency in all of us. Even the most evil of people there is a spark of human goodness. Superheroes aren't just people in tight clothes running around and doing the right thing. Their people who have gifts and talents, not necessarily powers, that help and protect those in need.

Let me ask you this, which is more probable in the world you live in?

Finding 100 people with special gifts and talents helping no one but themselves and stepping on people along the way or finding just one person who honestly puts others before themselves. I can walk outside right now and find you the 100 in less than a minute. It would take me months to find that one.
 
I don't know about that. Turmoil tends to be a real reason why people become halfway decent people sometimes, but not all the time. Most people are just good people.

I see the world in the opposite way with most being evil stupid and vain with a few decent people thrown in here or there. (please understand I'm also calling myself evil stupid and vain, but I'm also devilishly charming) Turmoil I believe can bring out the good in people or at least find something in their crummy little evil hearts that might have once been good.

I'm just saying if you start bringing superpowers and special abilities into the world (beyond what already exist) 99.99% of everyone with them would spend far more time robbing banks and getting revenge than helping those in need. (I know I would, rob banks that is)
 
Most would hide it actually in fear of being killed or contained. And the vast majority would become enamoured with these new found abilities, and the moment they go public, they realize a very slim chance of actually keeping a secret identity. I don't see too many people going down the wrong path, seeing how most criminals become criminals because they believe a low enough profile allows them to slip through the cracks. Shoot laser beams, and your'e the target of an entire country.
 
Most would hide it actually in fear of being killed or contained. And the vast majority would become enamoured with these new found abilities, and the moment they go public, they realize a very slim chance of actually keeping a secret identity. I don't see too many people going down the wrong path, seeing how most criminals become criminals because they believe a low enough profile allows them to slip through the cracks. Shoot laser beams, and your'e the target of an entire country.

I agree with some of that. I don't think too many would hide as power especially given power is extremely hard not to use. I heard something about power corrupting or something towards that effect (you know the quote). They wouldn't keep a secret identity for long because how long would it take you since the time you got your eye lasers to use them on some annoying guy in the subway or melt an Ex's car into slage or utterly destroy the eight new starbucks that just popped up yesterday (they're like cockroaches). You get the idea. I'm not saying they wouldn't be caught but it would take all of a week for people to begin applying their own selfish philosphies (yeah, I can't spell) on their powers and pretty soon you've got everyone just doing what they want cause, well, they can shoot freaking eye lasers.

Oh, as a former person who's dabbled in the less than completely legal, criminals become criminals because they need or want the money. Everything else is just secondary to an instant and pretty good payday for five minutes worth of actual work.
 
You make it seem nearly impossible to find anyone in the world that would be willing to sacrafice him/herself for someone else. Now heres my question for you moraldeficiency, would you take a bullet for someone that you didn't even know? If your answer is no then I guess you would be one of those people who you say would not be willing to sacrafice themselves. But I know I would because it's not about if you know them or not, its the fact that you are WILLING to give your life so that another can live. Jesus did it so why can't we take a page from his book and do the same. I'm not saying go out andthrow yourself in front of a bullet for someone but do the small things that people will remember and do onto others.
 
You make it seem nearly impossible to find anyone in the world that would be willing to sacrafice him/herself for someone else. Now heres my question for you moraldeficiency, would you take a bullet for someone that you didn't even know? If your answer is no then I guess you would be one of those people who you say would not be willing to sacrafice themselves. But I know I would because it's not about if you know them or not, its the fact that you are WILLING to give your life so that another can live. Jesus did it so why can't we take a page from his book and do the same. I'm not saying go out andthrow yourself in front of a bullet for someone but do the small things that people will remember and do onto others.

Of course I wouldn't. What if it was the next hitler or some serial killer or something? Now you the good person is dead and you might have just stopped some father from avenging his child and let a pedofile go free in the process. (some of the most heroic acts lead to the world's greatest miseries) Also hypothetical situations don't really count, what actually counts is have you taken a bullet, punch, hit for someone you don't even know or have you said that fight is none of my buisness? Jesus did it because he's freaking Jesus, if people were like him we wouldn't have need him in the first place. I have a reverse do onto others rule. I take what others do and multiply it back three fold onto them. Generally speaking that means I'm a lot more nasty than I am nice. Maybe you're around some very nice people but I've traveled the world and from what I've seen there's just a lot more bad than good.
 
Gotta say you're brave for taking the people are good deep down inside argument, most people I know wouldn't know where to start with it. That goes for the "goddess of science" (love that title) as well.
 
True, but like you said if I took the bullet for someone who could be the next Saddam Husein or Hitler, then that would be really bad, but how would I know if they were evil or not?. I probably wouldn't know, but in a moment like that then it would mean trying to do something right even if you have to give your life.
 
For anyone wanting to be a superhero, I suggest reading Kick-Ass. You'll essentially see three different approaches to Superheroism.
 
Let me ask you this, which is more probable in the world you live in?

Finding 100 people with special gifts and talents helping no one but themselves and stepping on people along the way or finding just one person who honestly puts others before themselves. I can walk outside right now and find you the 100 in less than a minute. It would take me months to find that one.

But you do agree that you could find that one, yes?
 
I haven't read this whole thread through, so I don't know if this has been mentioned or not. Several months ago, about the time The Dark Knight came out in theatres, a book came out called Becoming Batman. Essentially the author researched what it would take to become a Batman-style superhero and wrote a "How To" book on the subject. I haven't read the book, but I did listen to an interview with the author on the radio. This is the gist of what he writes in the book.

Physical Training: You would need to spend at least a decade in Asia training in one of the world's deadliest martial arts. Either in China at a Shoulin temple learning Kung-Fu, or in Japan studying Ninjitsu under the tutaledge of a Master Ninja.

Forensics Training: You would need to learn how to collect evidence without contaminating it, process it, and interpret the results. In other words, you'll have to become a trained CSI. And just like on the show, you'll need to be proficient and knowledgable in all aspects of crime scene investigation and not just your own little area of expertise (like it is in real life).

Psychology Training: You will also need to study Forensic Psychology, Criminology, and Sociology in order to become a proficient profiler. You'll need to know the difference between Modus Operendi and a criminal signature.

Costume: You'll need to make a costume to both hide your identity and strike fear into the hearts of the criminal element. While many people have made remarks of "spandex clad heroes", I would opt for kevlar. It's the same material flack jackets and bullet proof vests are made out of. It's very difficult to cut through, and can even stop certain callibre bullets (it'll hurt like hell, but it'll stop them). I'd also advise purchasing a bullet proof vest, something designed to be inconspicuous, to wear underneath. You should also choose a target to print on your chest to draw enemy fire away from your head and towards your body armour (Batman's bat, Punisher's skull, Spiderman's spider, etc). Of course you will need to wear a mask. This is to hide your true identity from the police as much as from the criminals you're going to be pissing off. Taking the law into your own hands and becoming a vigilante is as illegal as selling crack, running a brothel, or beating someone up and stealing their money. If the cops learn who you are, you'll be arrested and treated no differently than the criminals you're trying to rid the streets of. If the criminals learn who you are, they'll come after you, your friends, your family, whomever.

Equipment: If you're going to be a Batman-style superhero and just beat up the badguys and leave them for the cops with the evidence needed to convict them, then you'll be needing extendable batons, handcuffs, pepperspray, pepper guns, tasers, and maybe some rope. Most of these things can be purchased at any military surplus store. Some you'll need to order through the internet (depending on where you live, I live in Canada so tasers are illegal for civilians to carry here). If you can't find handcuffs at your local surplus store, try your local BD/SM Bondage Shop (buy the expensive ones, the cheap $10 ones have a safety catch allowing the person cuffed to just slip out of them). And of course any hardware store will have rope.

Of course if you're a Punisher-type hero and want to just blow the drug dealers and the pimps away, you'll need to buy plenty of guns and ammunition.

As for choosing a name, comic book heroes get their names all sorts of ways. Some choose their own names (Batman & Dare Devil for example). Some are named by the media or other sources (The Hulk comes to mind). Others just sort of happen (Spiderman was Peter Parker's ring name when he was working as a professional wrestler for some extra cash). On the daytime soap, Days Of Our Lives, there was a masked vigilante who called himself The Pacifier (because after videotaping criminals breaking the law, he would beat them up, tie them up for the police, then leave the video tape behind and a baby pacifier haanging around their necks).
 
I haven't read this whole thread through, so I don't know if this has been mentioned or not. Several months ago, about the time The Dark Knight came out in theatres, a book came out called Becoming Batman. Essentially the author researched what it would take to become a Batman-style superhero and wrote a "How To" book on the subject. I haven't read the book, but I did listen to an interview with the author on the radio. This is the gist of what he writes in the book.

Physical Training: You would need to spend at least a decade in Asia training in one of the world's deadliest martial arts. Either in China at a Shoulin temple learning Kung-Fu, or in Japan studying Ninjitsu under the tutaledge of a Master Ninja.

Forensics Training: You would need to learn how to collect evidence without contaminating it, process it, and interpret the results. In other words, you'll have to become a trained CSI. And just like on the show, you'll need to be proficient and knowledgable in all aspects of crime scene investigation and not just your own little area of expertise (like it is in real life).

Psychology Training: You will also need to study Forensic Psychology, Criminology, and Sociology in order to become a proficient profiler. You'll need to know the difference between Modus Operendi and a criminal signature.

Costume: You'll need to make a costume to both hide your identity and strike fear into the hearts of the criminal element. While many people have made remarks of "spandex clad heroes", I would opt for kevlar. It's the same material flack jackets and bullet proof vests are made out of. It's very difficult to cut through, and can even stop certain callibre bullets (it'll hurt like hell, but it'll stop them). I'd also advise purchasing a bullet proof vest, something designed to be inconspicuous, to wear underneath. You should also choose a target to print on your chest to draw enemy fire away from your head and towards your body armour (Batman's bat, Punisher's skull, Spiderman's spider, etc). Of course you will need to wear a mask. This is to hide your true identity from the police as much as from the criminals you're going to be pissing off. Taking the law into your own hands and becoming a vigilante is as illegal as selling crack, running a brothel, or beating someone up and stealing their money. If the cops learn who you are, you'll be arrested and treated no differently than the criminals you're trying to rid the streets of. If the criminals learn who you are, they'll come after you, your friends, your family, whomever.

Equipment: If you're going to be a Batman-style superhero and just beat up the badguys and leave them for the cops with the evidence needed to convict them, then you'll be needing extendable batons, handcuffs, pepperspray, pepper guns, tasers, and maybe some rope. Most of these things can be purchased at any military surplus store. Some you'll need to order through the internet (depending on where you live, I live in Canada so tasers are illegal for civilians to carry here). If you can't find handcuffs at your local surplus store, try your local BD/SM Bondage Shop (buy the expensive ones, the cheap $10 ones have a safety catch allowing the person cuffed to just slip out of them). And of course any hardware store will have rope.

Of course if you're a Punisher-type hero and want to just blow the drug dealers and the pimps away, you'll need to buy plenty of guns and ammunition.

As for choosing a name, comic book heroes get their names all sorts of ways. Some choose their own names (Batman & Dare Devil for example). Some are named by the media or other sources (The Hulk comes to mind). Others just sort of happen (Spiderman was Peter Parker's ring name when he was working as a professional wrestler for some extra cash). On the daytime soap, Days Of Our Lives, there was a masked vigilante who called himself The Pacifier (because after videotaping criminals breaking the law, he would beat them up, tie them up for the police, then leave the video tape behind and a baby pacifier haanging around their necks).

... that... that seems suspect to me. I mean, yeah, you wouldn't want to skimp on fighting skills if you're going to patrol a neighborhood to make sure no one's hurting anyone, but, like, that... that seems like it's kind of caught up in the mysticism of asian martial arts. It's totally possible to become an absolutely mind blowingly good fighter, or simply one who stands a more than fair shot at winning against most opponents he gets the drop on, without ever setting foot in Asia.


Anyway. This topic comes up here. A lot. The arguments, at least in regards to Batman style vigilantes, tend to go the same way every time: One side holds that it's doable, the other hold that the hero would be dead within ten seconds. There are many logical fallacies on both sides. The "he'll be dead in ten seconds" guys tend to paint organized crime as being somewhat omnipotent. That they'd track the guy down quickly and kill him easily. A lot of the guys who are for it make it sound a lot easier than it would actually be.

Now what do I think? I think, as a whole, it's not impossible. But it probably wouldn't end up looking as much like Batman as people would like to think. If you're patrolling a neighborhood every night and beating up bad guys... well, in the end what you'll become is a very pro-active neighborhood watch. The fact is, you're not likely to come across a mugging or a robbery every night, or even most nights. What you'll probably be doing is going around seedy neighborhoods and watching out for trouble, most of the time not finding any. One guy going out and doing this won't significantly impact the crime rate. Someone could be getting raped while you're on the other side of the neighborhood and you'd never know until you saw the news the next day. But you'd probably end up helping some people, which would still be good, and if the word got out, people in the neighborhood would probably feel a little safer. Of course, you might have the problem of the criminal types trying to track you down. But how effectively they do so depends on how much evidence you leave behind, or how easily you would fall for a trap. I'm not saying that they wouldn't track you down, because it's entirely possible that you might come a cross a mugging, try to stop it, and end up getting the **** beaten out of you by seven gang bangers. It's dangerous, and if you're not paying attention or not skilled enough you will get injured or killed. But I also think it's possible to be smart and skilled enough to do it and not get killed, say for things that are completely outside of your control. My point is that something like this wouldn't come naturally. Wouldn't be easy.

The other way you could super hero is to emphasize the detective aspect of dark knight detective. Try and gather evidence that would put suspected criminals away and give it to the police. Evidence collected without a warrant by people who aren't police officers or federal agents is completely admissible in court, so that would be something you can do that the police can't. But that has a laundry list of problems attached that you'd have to overcome. Having stealth skills, a knowledge of video and sound equipment, and an ability to handle evidence without contaminating it are all key.

So, yeah, you can do it, but you have to work for it.
 
Oh **** I've posted in this thread before. Hi me from over a year ago.
 
... that... that seems suspect to me. I mean, yeah, you wouldn't want to skimp on fighting skills if you're going to patrol a neighborhood to make sure no one's hurting anyone, but, like, that... that seems like it's kind of caught up in the mysticism of asian martial arts. It's totally possible to become an absolutely mind blowingly good fighter, or simply one who stands a more than fair shot at winning against most opponents he gets the drop on, without ever setting foot in Asia.

I said train in Asia because there you can still find instructors who train in martial arts for the purpose of self defence. In North America the martial arts have pretty much been bastardized to make them into competitive sports. Think of the scene between Oliver Platt's character and the town sheriff in the movie Lake Placid. Platt brags about having a brown belt in karate and then the sheriff breaks his nose because "nobody said 'go'". Tae Kwan Do, karate, muay tai, they all have been bastardized by Americans for "competition purposes". If you train in North America, I would suggest training in Jeet Kun Do under the tutaledge of someone who was actually taught by Bruce Lee, as he designed the art specifically for self defence and not competition. Or if you want to learn Ninjitsu, and if you can afford him, train with Frank Dux (portrayed by Jean Claud Van Damme in the movie Bloodsport), as he learned the art from a true Master Ninja and trains his pupals in the same manner.

But that's just my opinion.
 
Actually, there are plenty of schools which teach you effective hand to hand combat.

You just have to look. Kajukenbo definitely comes to mind.
 
I said train in Asia because there you can still find instructors who train in martial arts for the purpose of self defence. In North America the martial arts have pretty much been bastardized to make them into competitive sports. Think of the scene between Oliver Platt's character and the town sheriff in the movie Lake Placid. Platt brags about having a brown belt in karate and then the sheriff breaks his nose because "nobody said 'go'". Tae Kwan Do, karate, muay tai, they all have been bastardized by Americans for "competition purposes". If you train in North America, I would suggest training in Jeet Kun Do under the tutaledge of someone who was actually taught by Bruce Lee, as he designed the art specifically for self defence and not competition. Or if you want to learn Ninjitsu, and if you can afford him, train with Frank Dux (portrayed by Jean Claud Van Damme in the movie Bloodsport), as he learned the art from a true Master Ninja and trains his pupals in the same manner.

But that's just my opinion.

That's true for the most part. But as the Mistress said, there are schools and teachers here in the U.S. who are more interested in the practical aspects of martial arts. I take Kenpo Karate classes, and all I've learned are defenses and take downs for practical scenarios, as well as general techniques and practices to become a better fighter.
 
There is plenty of good in the US. Jeet Kune Do was made here and is primarily taught here. And in a street fight I'd rather know that that just one asian martial art which would inevitably have it's weak points.

The idea of martial sports actually originated in those asian countries and is more prevalent there then here. They were bastardized there (and for good reason, the martial sport forms were made for nonlethal sparing) long before they were here.
 

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