is that true?

[Ken]

But Stryker said in X2 that Logan volunteered for the procedure. They can't really contradict that.

Sorry thats movie bullcrap made up. the truth is in Weapon X he is abducted by 3 men and taken to the facility where he is bonded with adimantium against his will. At that point he had not used his Claws in a LONNGGG time, which ties in well with origin because the shock of the fact that his CLAWS killed his loved one made him revert back to being an animal and living in the woods. My guess is when he came out of it he lost his memory due to his healing factor. But he always had nightmares of claws and blood.

But hey atleast they will make it match up with X2. i given them that. Its bull but its bull that had continuity.

 

[Ken]

who the f*** robs a mcdonalds anyways??? lol

LMAO POINT well taken! lol

 

[Ken]

He did. If you read the 'Weapon X' story as well as in some random X-men issues in the past it's been mentioned. He didn't know exactly what he was volunteering for, just that being part of that program basically meant they had you by the balls.

That is not true, your directly contridiction the Weapon X grapic novel. Not to mention think of how many times wolveirne is angry and says, They did this to me! He was coming home from work and then geting in his green lotus when he was jumped. Getting hit behind the head with a gun took him down.

Its sad how well i know this stuff! i must say i had NO life for a while lol

 

[Ken]

According to most sources, hes just a little bit over 100 years old, he was born in the the 1880's so I thought.

dead on

 

[Ken]

In Origins (part II), the grave of his older brother says 1885-1897, so its safe to say he was born after 1885. If you take 'The End' seriously as part of canon, his older brother was around to see him born, so that would set his birth before 1897.

Well done ( appluause) thats how i came to the conclusion as well.

 

[X-Maniac]

Sorry thats movie bullcrap made up. the truth is in Weapon X he is abducted by 3 men and taken to the facility where he is bonded with adimantium against his will. At that point he had not used his Claws in a LONNGGG time, which ties in well with origin because the shock of the fact that his CLAWS killed his loved one made him revert back to being an animal and living in the woods. My guess is when he came out of it he lost his memory due to his healing factor. But he always had nightmares of claws and blood.

But hey atleast they will make it match up with X2. i given them that. Its bull but its bull that had continuity.

So do you think they should ignore what was said in X2? That perhaps Stryker was lying to him and that he was forced into the procedure?

 

[Ken]

So do you think they should ignore what was said in X2? That perhaps Stryker was lying to him and that he was forced into the procedure?

Hell yah they should make it what it is.....a horrible thing to do to a human being who was being stalked and looked at. They kept looking at his police records. Oh yah at this point he was in the Canadian police force...which wouldnt work in the movie. but they kept seeing how he kept surviving bullet wounds and had no scars to show for it. So after looking at him they figures out his abilities and just for that reason alone experimented on him with the adimantium bonding. Thinking they could control such a super soilder and sell him to the highest bidder.

But they wont, i know.....and....i take a deep breath and acept it for what it is LOL

 

[Ken]

folks be back tommrow to talk more about wolverine. I feel like i made the bible on the dam character! lol Its all i read since i was a child, every single peice of material produced on him.

any other questions PM me email me.

 

[Logan's Runt]

Hell yah they should make it what it is.....a horrible thing to do to a human being who was being stalked and looked at. They kept looking at his police records. Oh yah at this point he was in the Canadian police force...which wouldnt work in the movie. but they kept seeing how he kept surviving bullet wounds and had no scars to show for it. So after looking at him they figures out his abilities and just for that reason alone experimented on him with the adimantium bonding. Thinking they could control such a super soilder and sell him to the highest bidder.

But they wont, i know.....and....i take a deep breath and acept it for what it is LOL

I don't ever remember him being in the Canadian Police... what issues/source?

 

[Logan's Runt]

So do you think they should ignore what was said in X2? That perhaps Stryker was lying to him and that he was forced into the procedure?

I think they could easily reinforce the idea that Stryker is a manipulative bastard who will say/do anything to get what he wants.

Telling Wolverine that he volunteered for the procedure when he doesn't remember whether he did or not suggests to Wolverine that at one time he trusted Stryker/worked with him, and that Stryker might just know the answers Logan's looking for. It could easily be a mind game to convince Wolverine to come with him. (Which is what he was trying to do at the time anyway.)

Not that moviegoers would actually make that connection. Always looking for the simplest answer.

 

[Infinity9999x]

So do you think they should ignore what was said in X2? That perhaps Stryker was lying to him and that he was forced into the procedure?

I also thought that Stryker could have been lying to him. He was a manipulative bastard, I think it would amuse him to know that he was manipulating Wolverine right to the end.

Also, he could be leaving things out. As others said, Wolverine may have signed up for something, without knowing what he was signing up for. There are lots of possibilities.

 

[Savage]

I would actually enjoy a mcdonalds being robbed in the 19th century, it would show his memories are ****ed and the viewer doesn't know what to trust.

This alone made this thread worth subscribing to. I want this scene in the movie immediately. t:

 

[Ken]

I don't ever remember him being in the Canadian Police... what issues/source?

Weapon X series. the first 3 pages, when he is doing some target practice, they show his force record and he talkes about being shot and stuff.

 

[Ken]

I think they could easily reinforce the idea that Stryker is a manipulative bastard who will say/do anything to get what he wants.

Telling Wolverine that he volunteered for the procedure when he doesn't remember whether he did or not suggests to Wolverine that at one time he trusted Stryker/worked with him, and that Stryker might just know the answers Logan's looking for. It could easily be a mind game to convince Wolverine to come with him. (Which is what he was trying to do at the time anyway.)

Not that moviegoers would actually make that connection. Always looking for the simplest answer.

I think this is a good sell for the movie as well. He would do anythign to manipulate him. play mind games to the end. The truth is logan fought till the end to not have that done to him but Stryker made sure it happned. they could show that he was actually really in charge of the security and keeping weapon X secure in the compound and actually show dr. cornilus, Hines and the third one whos name im forgeting. They were actually incharge of the experiment. In he novel they never tell you which government was actually responsible for this experiment. It took place in Canada but was the U.S behind it? In the movie they hinted towards the Germans and i dont remember if there was a hint of that in weapon X as well.

Wolverines life story reads like a god dam CIA novel. there are alot of government conspirisies and he was always caught in the middle of them. there was even an issue where they showed wolverine and sabertooth working for the weapon X program and they had somthing to do with the Cuban missile crisis lol

 

[BMM]

So do you think they should ignore what was said in X2? That perhaps Stryker was lying to him and that he was forced into the procedure?

I think they could easily reinforce the idea that Stryker is a manipulative bastard who will say/do anything to get what he wants.

Telling Wolverine that he volunteered for the procedure when he doesn't remember whether he did or not suggests to Wolverine that at one time he trusted Stryker/worked with him, and that Stryker might just know the answers Logan's looking for. It could easily be a mind game to convince Wolverine to come with him. (Which is what he was trying to do at the time anyway.)

Not that moviegoers would actually make that connection. Always looking for the simplest answer.

I also thought that Stryker could have been lying to him. He was a manipulative bastard, I think it would amuse him to know that he was manipulating Wolverine right to the end.

Also, he could be leaving things out. As others said, Wolverine may have signed up for something, without knowing what he was signing up for. There are lots of possibilities.

Exactly. Stryker isn't a trustworthy character and anything he says should be taken with a grain of salt. He's demonstrated he'll say anything to get his way...

You're just an animal with claws... flip-flop... You're a survivor--always have been.

 

[xisaacx]

is maverick in the movie?

 

[danoyse]

If we're to believe what's been in the early script reviews...Wolverine technically "volunteers" for the procedure, but:

Spoiler

Stryker manipulated the whole situation to make him think he was volunteering for the project.

So it still works within his character in that X2 scene. And I love that scene in X2, I think it worked better dramatically on screen than having Stryker just it was all his fault the Weapon X thing happened.