Is the over reliance on humour a problem in the MCU

[Kahran Ramsus]

Guardians was a lot more jokey than any SW movie, even TFA. But I didn't have a problem with the humour in Guardians as it was a part of what made the movie so good and helped us get into the characters. Gunns humour is great .

Yeah, I would say GOTG is more Ghostbusters than Star Wars. And there is nothing wrong with that. It is my second favorite MCU film (after CW) after all. It can still be a comedy without being completely silly like Spaceballs.

 

[Flint Marko]

-Can we stop pretending like Netflix counts? Leaving all of their dark and gritty shows on Netflix isn't a diverse franchise. It's an attempt at having their cake and eating it too.

"Superheroes who make jokes and dark and gritty heroes should coexist in the same universe!"

*I prove they do coexist in the same universe*

"That doesn't count!"

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, I would say GOTG is more Ghostbusters than Star Wars. And there is nothing wrong with that. It is my second favorite MCU film (after CW) after all. It can still be a comedy without being completely silly like Spaceballs.

Definitely GOTG is still the best MCU movie for me, and the comedy is just part of the package. I love the GOTG comics, and while the movie took some major deviations, I still absolutely loved it.

 

[harryoscop]

"Superheroes who make jokes and dark and gritty heroes should coexist in the same universe!"

*I prove they do coexist in the same universe*

"That doesn't count!"

Even though, they might might as well be in different universes because the movies won't acknowledge the shows, nor let them crossover even in appropriate circumstances.

 

[Steamteck]

I thought that Apocalypse had one really good scene. When he's recruiting Magneto and he just wipes out the steel workers in an instant. Other than that, there wasn't much there.

See if i were magneto , I would feel robbed of my vengeance, buts that's me.

 

[TheVileOne]

-Can we stop pretending like Netflix counts? Leaving all of their dark and gritty shows on Netflix isn't a diverse franchise. It's an attempt at having their cake and eating it too.

How does that not count?

Secondly, BvS didn't fail because of the tone, it failed because it wasn't a good movie. TWS was a major success with a much more serious tone than most Marvel films, but starting with Civil War you can tell the Russos are slowly being dragged into the fold of the formula.

How do you figure that?

 

[MadVillainy]

I actually have to agree with Wagner. The Netflix shows are attached to the MCU but only very liberally. Bringing up the Netflix shows when trying to argue about thematic diversity is kinda a bit dicey to me.

That being said there is a good sense of thematic diversity in the MCU. They may all carry a similar tone of humor, violence, etc. but still. If you don't see that I don't know what to tell ya

 

[BH/HHH]

They're TV shows this threads for discussing the Marvel Cineamtaic Universe as in the films, sure Agents of Shield, Daredevil, Jessica Jones etc may be under the MCU but they're not cinematic they're television.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I actually have to agree with Wagner. The Netflix shows are attached to the MCU but only very liberally. Bringing up the Netflix shows when trying to argue about thematic diversity is kinda a bit dicey to me.

That being said there is a good sense of thematic diversity in the MCU. They may all carry a similar tone of humor, violence, etc. but still. If you don't see that I don't know what to tell ya

Yeah the connection often feels one sided, like the TV shows are trying to cling to the movies movies aren't having it.

I just wish a TV character could cameo in a movie to show it goes both ways.

 

[BH/HHH]

Yeah the connection often feels one sided, like the TV shows are trying to cling to the movies movies aren't having it.

I just wish a TV character could cameo in a movie to show it goes both ways.

Yeah it feels very much like a little brother trying to hang with his big brother plus his friends. But the Big Brother just ignores him.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Even though, they might might as well be in different universes because the movies won't acknowledge the shows, nor let them crossover even in appropriate circumstances.

Give it time. I hope that Spidey (as a street level hero) can bridge that gap.

As a kid, I adored the Punisher, Daredevil and Blade episodes of Spider-Man: TAS

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah it feels very much like a little brother trying to hang with his big brother plus his friends. But the Big Brother just ignores him.

I hope a more concrete connection is made soon, as the Netflix stuff has been brilliant so far, and I like AOS as well, watched it from the start.

 

[BH/HHH]

I hope a more concrete connection is made soon, as the Netflix stuff has been brilliant so far, and I like AOS as well, watched it from the start.

I would agree but I've only liked Daredevil so far, and the Punisher episodes of season two. I thought Jessica Jones was dull as s***.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I would agree but I've only liked Daredevil so far, and the Punisher episodes of season two. I thought Jessica Jones was dull as s***.

I loved JJ personally, more so than DD season 1. Halfway through season 2 of DD and loving it so far. Bernthal is even better then I expected him to be as The Punisher, and I expected a lot believe me.

 

[harryoscop]

Give it time. I hope that Spidey (as a street level hero) can bridge that gap.

As a kid, I adored the Punisher, Daredevil and Blade episodes of Spider-Man: TAS

Dude... All I want to see is Spidey with DD & Punisher.

I would agree but I've only liked Daredevil so far, and the Punisher episodes of season two. I thought Jessica Jones was dull as s***.

I thought JJ was amazing, what didn't you like about it? just curious to hear your opinion.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Dude... All I want to see is Spidey with DD & Punisher.

I thought JJ was amazing, what didn't you like about it? just curious to hear your opinion.

Yeah I don't care as much about Spidey with The Avengers. I'd be much more excited about seeing him alongside DD and Punisher

 

[Flint Marko]

I actually have to agree with Wagner. The Netflix shows are attached to the MCU but only very liberally. Bringing up the Netflix shows when trying to argue about thematic diversity is kinda a bit dicey to me.

They're TV shows this threads for discussing the Marvel Cineamtaic Universe as in the films, sure Agents of Shield, Daredevil, Jessica Jones etc may be under the MCU but they're not cinematic they're television.

Yeah the connection often feels one sided, like the TV shows are trying to cling to the movies movies aren't having it.

I just wish a TV character could cameo in a movie to show it goes both ways.

Wagner originally claimed that a "truly healthy shared universe has a place for both to coexist", and it does coexist. That's my entire point. This is a shared universe with two drastically different tones for their A-list blockbuster stars, and their gritty street-level heroes. The two division's corporate leaders not seeing eye to eye does nothing to change this.

That being said there is a good sense of thematic diversity in the MCU. They may all carry a similar tone of humor, violence, etc. but still. If you don't see that I don't know what to tell ya

I do agree with this. Marvel certainly does have a formula, but they've done a good job of switching up the flavor for each character and story. Ant-man felt different than Winter Soldier, which felt different than Iron man 3, which felt different than Incredible Hulk, which felt different than Guardians, which felt different than Civil War, etc.

I do agree that some more tonal variety would be welcome, but I'm not complaining because what they've given us every time has largely worked.

 

[BH/HHH]

I thought JJ was amazing, what didn't you like about it? just curious to hear your opinion.

I was just bored, it was a real struggle for me to finish it. I thought they could have done the entire story in two episodes personally. I really like David Tennant aswell but I didn't like Kilgrave. I wanted to like it but I just didn't

I thought Daredevil fell into a similar trap in season two aswell, as soon as the Elektra story started it soon felt dragged out and I thought it went dull.

I'm looking forward to the Defenders mind and I can't wait for the Punisher series. Luke Cage I don't really care about but I'll watch it.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Wagner originally claimed that a "truly healthy shared universe has a place for both to coexist", and it does coexist. That's my entire point. This is a shared universe with two drastically different tones for their A-list blockbuster stars, and their gritty street-level heroes. The two division's corporate leaders not seeing eye to eye does nothing to change this.

I know they are supposed to be connected. But to me, it just doesn't really feel like they are half the time. This will probably be a terrible analogy, but it feels like a non-famous person trying to convince someone they are good friends with a really famous person, when they aren't really good friends with them at all. Hope you know what I am getting at.

It would just be nice if the connection was acknowledged both ways. Which wouldn't be terribly hard to do.

 

[Zant]

Yeah it feels very much like a little brother trying to hang with his big brother plus his friends. But the Big Brother just ignores him.

Lol that's mainly Agents of Shield. The Netflix stuff feels very independent and does its own thing.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I was just bored, it was a real struggle for me to finish it. I thought they could have done the entire story in two episodes personally. I really like David Tennant aswell but I didn't like Kilgrave. I wanted to like it but I just didn't

I thought Daredevil fell into a similar trap in season two aswell, as soon as the Elektra story started it soon felt dragged out and I thought it went dull.

I'm looking forward to the Defenders mind and I can't wait for the Punisher series. Luke Cage I don't really care about but I'll watch it.

Wow, I thought JJ was brilliant and Kilgrave was one of the best villains I had seen in a while. He did more in 10 mins than most villains do in multiple movies. I loved the dynamic between him and JJ also, and I loved Luke Cage's inclusion. I was really, really impressed with JJ and thought it surpassed DD season 1.

To each his/her own though

 

[Zarex]

Yeah it feels very much like a little brother trying to hang with his big brother plus his friends. But the Big Brother just ignores him.

Agents of SHIELD? No question. The all-to-frequent MCU references grew tiresome by the 2nd half of the pilot.

But that's not the feeling at all with the Netflix shows, which go out of their ways to avoid what's happening on screen. If the MCU films sit at the popular table and AOS is the annoying little brother, the Netflix shows are the at-risk teens.

 

[Flint Marko]

For the most part, the TV/film division hasn't bothered me until recently since it's a pretty understandable split; the Avengers are flying around the sky saving falling cities, while the AoS operate undercover and the Netflix heroes operate on the streets of Manhattan. It seems natural that the world of the Avengers would have a bigger impact on the TV side of things rather than the other way around.

However, I definitely agree that there should be more cohesion. I'm not sure why the outbreak of the Inhumans was not mentioned in Civil War. The seams are starting to show, and it needs to be addressed.

Regardless, how something "feels" (based in no small part on external knowledge of the corporate side of things) doesn't change my original point that both tones do coexist within the same universe.

 

[BH/HHH]

Wow, I thought JJ was brilliant and Kilgrave was one of the best villains I had seen in a while. He did more in 10 mins than most villains do in multiple movies. I loved the dynamic between him and JJ also, and I loved Luke Cage's inclusion. I was really, really impressed with JJ and thought it surpassed DD season 1.

To each his/her own though

Of course t:

Agents of SHIELD? No question. The all-to-frequent MCU references grew tiresome by the 2nd half of the pilot.

But that's not the feeling at all with the Netflix shows, which go out of their ways to avoid what's happening on screen. If the MCU films sit at the popular table and AOS is the annoying little brother, the Netflix shows are the at-risk teens.

Yeah that's probably more apt tbh

For the most part, the TV/film division hasn't bothered me thus far since it's a pretty understandable split; the Avengers are flying around the sky saving falling cities, while the AoS operate undercover and the Netflix heroes operate on the streets of Manhattan. It seems natural that the world of the Avengers would have a bigger impact on the TV side of things rather than the other way around; however, I definitely agree that there should be more cohesion. I'm not sure why the outbreak of the Inhumans was not mentioned in Civil War.

Regardless, how something "feels" largely based on external knowledge of the corporate side of things doesn't change my original point that both tones do coexist within the same universe.

Yeah I actually agree with you here

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

For the most part, the TV/film division hasn't bothered me until recently since it's a pretty understandable split; the Avengers are flying around the sky saving falling cities, while the AoS operate undercover and the Netflix heroes operate on the streets of Manhattan. It seems natural that the world of the Avengers would have a bigger impact on the TV side of things rather than the other way around.

However, I definitely agree that there should be more cohesion. I'm not sure why the outbreak of the Inhumans was not mentioned in Civil War. The seams are starting to show, and it needs to be addressed.

Regardless, how something "feels" (based in no small part on external knowledge of the corporate side of things) doesn't change my original point that both tones do coexist within the same universe.

I definitely think Coulson being alive again should have been addressed by now as well.