Is there a possibility of an Raimi's Spider-Man returning?

[GoodYoung]

I'm not a huge fan of Raimi's tone of the movie and I think only 1 didn't age well with a really terrible opening that played itself out like a cartoon, tobey never evolving much of a person, some of the dialogue being mediocre and with the end dialogue with MJ just cringeworthy, and tobey's Peter was just bland

Yes, exactly. Although I wound't say the first one is worse than the second. They both are not good and overrated as hell.

 

[GoodYoung]

If that were true his movies wouldn't be as critically successful as they are. Audiences and critics just wouldn't respond so highly to that twice in a row. It would be more accurate to say that about Marc Webb Spider-Man movies, although even with his music and action scenes there was cringeworthy times, too.

Look at the Avengers. It's a bad movie but it has great reviews. The same goes for Raimi's "masterpieces". TASM2 as much as cringeworthy as SM1 and SM2 but at least has some great moments.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

The Avengers is not a bad movie. Do you just have a bad taste against great comic book movies?

You are right though Raimi's are masterpieces of this genre. The new Spider-Man movies by Marc Webb will never get their love and success. Or like The Avengers either.

 

[Spider-knight]

Yes, exactly. Although I wound't say the first one is worse than the second. They both are not good and overrated as hell.

I didn't say 1 sucked and I really loved 2. I just think 1 didn't age well and 2 still has some problems I've noticed for years like the bugle being pointless since we don't see much of the people hating him and not much of the characters like Betty and Robbie had much character, John having no character, and some of the extras suck at acting

 

[The Joker]

I believe anyone can do a better job than raimi.

If that were true we'd have had two Spider-Man movies that were better than his already.

It's going to be a long, long time before we see a Spider-Man movie that is going to be able to hold a candle to Raimi's masterpieces. Probably at least a decade.

Look at the Avengers. It's a bad movie but it has great reviews. The same goes for Raimi's "masterpieces". TASM2 as much as cringeworthy as SM1 and SM2 but at least has some great moments.

The Avengers is a bad movie? You'd already lost me when you were dissing Raimi's masterpieces, but calling The Avengers a bad movie is just the icing on the cake. Congrats on completely destroying your credibility. Truly paints a picture on how you view brilliant movies.

 

[Spider-knight]

Look at the Avengers. It's a bad movie but it has great reviews. The same goes for Raimi's "masterpieces". TASM2 as much as cringeworthy as SM1 and SM2 but at least has some great moments.

WOAH WOAH WOAH! Avengers did not suck. It was a masterpiece of a crossover movie and was exactly what we expected, a big climax movie of the past marvel films.

Avengers 2 will have to be a standalone story

Btw, I heard the president of winter soldier and iron man 3 will be naked which reminds me of what hsppened to that old scientist guy from THOR TDW

 

[Spider-knight]

If that were true we'd have had two Spider-Man movies that were better than his already.

It's going to be a long, long time before we see a Spider-Man movie that is going to be able to hold a candle to Raimi's masterpieces. Probably at least a decade.

Not unless we have Webb get creative control, get some directors cut, and we have drew Goddard.

The Avengers is a bad movie? You'd already lost me when you were dissing Raimi's masterpieces, but calling The Avengers a bad movie is just the icing on the cake. Congrats on completely destroying your credibility.

At least I gave a reason why I don't think the raimi films are that much of a godsend.

 

[The Joker]

Not unless we have Webb get creative control, get some directors cut, and we have drew Goddard.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts. We went over this with a fine tooth comb in the other thread the other day about how the deleted scenes don't help the movie a jot, aside from Connors family stuff in TASM. If that's Webb's untouched vision then I still feel very confident in what I just said.

At least I gave a reason why I don't think the raimi films are that much of a godsend.

At least you're not saying they're bad movies. That's as insane as saying The Avengers is.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

It would be a godsend if Raimi returned. There would be widespread rejoicing. Sony wouldn't have to be desperate and resort to pushing their sequels back and doing spin offs about villains lol. That is what happens when you get inferior movies. They need to learn that.

 

[Spider-knight]

It would be a godsend if Raimi returned. There would be widespread rejoicing. Sony wouldn't have to be desperate and resort to pushing their sequels back and doing spin offs about villains lol. That is what happens when you get inferior movies. They need to learn that.

Yeah, I wouldn't count on that. I'd rather have raimi work on something else than seeing him return. I wasnt that much of a fan of his world and other creators could do a better job than him like David Fincher or frank derbonte. He'll kevin smith would handle the series better. I'm not saying raimi sucked but they aren't that much of a godsend that people make them out to be

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Yeah, I wouldn't count on that. I'd rather have raimi work on something else than seeing him return. I wasnt that much of a fan of his world and other creators could do a better job than him like David Fincher or frank derbonte. He'll kevin smith would handle the series better. I'm not saying raimi sucked but they aren't that much of a godsend that people make them out to be

I know Raimi won't return now. The franchise is in new hands, not very good ones, but still it is trying a new direction.

You are free to believe that Kevin Smith or those others would be better at Spider-Man, but what we know is Mr. Raimi was able to get Spider-Man respect levels as high as 94% from critics, make hundreds of millions of dollars along with that and win over Spider-Man fans and audiences all over the world.

That's the talent of a man who is clearly brilliant at doing Spider-Man. A bad Spider-Man director could never do that.

 

[Spider-knight]

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts. We went over this with a fine tooth comb in the other thread the other day about how the deleted scenes don't help the movie a jot, aside from Connors family stuff in TASM. If that's Webb's untouched vision then I still feel very confident in what I just said.

Yeah and more scenes with aunt may and peter, how Peter and Gwen got together, more hints on the Parkers, Connors and lizards further development, extended fight scenes, etc. would totally not make the movie work*sarcasm*

And I laugh when you mentioned you had confidence because it kinda sounded like you wanted this movie to never exist and just be a hater. How can I be sure you wanted Marc Webb and crew to get respect?

At least you're not saying their bad movies. That's as insane as saying The Avengers is.

Not as insane as the stuff you and doc ock are saying

 

[Spider-knight]

I know Raimi won't return now. The franchise is in new hands, not very good ones, but still it is trying a new direction.

You are free to believe that Kevin Smith or those others would be better at Spider-Man, but what we know is Mr. Raimi was able to get Spider-Man respect levels as high as 94% from critics, make hundreds of millions of dollars along with that and win over Spider-Man fans and audiences all over the world.

That's the talent of a man who is clearly brilliant at doing Spider-Man. A bad Spider-Man director could never do that.

The same can be said about Webb. What's your point if he had control. What's your point? Seriously, this fight is meaningless. If we can go on about this then we would both likely drive ourselves insane and puss off the mods and the users. We also don't want to give Sony any ideas that could result into something bad.

 

[The Joker]

Yeah and more scenes with aunt may and peter, how Peter and Gwen got together, more hints on the Parkers, Connors and lizards further development, extended fight scenes, etc. would totally not make the movie work*sarcasm*

You're right it wouldn't. I explained why umpteen times in that other thread.

And I laugh when you mentioned you had confidence because it kinda sounded like you wanted this movie to never exist and just be a hater. How can I be sure you wanted Marc Webb and crew to get respect?

I always have confidence in what I say, otherwise I wouldn't say it. I had no problem with a Spider-Man reboot when I found out Raimi and Sony were having creative differences again. I gave the reboot every chance.

It completely failed to deliver. Twice.

Not as insane as the stuff you and doc ock are saying

The truth is not insane.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

The same can be said about Webb. What's your point if he had control. What's your point? Seriously, this fight is meaningless. If we can go on about this then we would both likely drive ourselves insane and puss off the mods and the users. We also don't want to give Sony any ideas that could result into something bad.

You do not know the same can be said about Webb. You have no proof. You're just assuming. We know for certain his Spider-Man movies have not been as popular and successful as Raimi's. Cannot deny that fact.

You guys bumped this thread with all this talk. If you didn't want people arguing with you over this then you shouldn't have started it. It's only normal you would get people disagreeing and arguing with you about this when it's about something as popular and great as the Raimi Spider-Man movies. They have a big fan base. This was inevitable spider-knight.

 

[Spider-knight]

You're right it wouldn't.

I'm not gonna repeat myself again. I just feel like a broken record saying this. I believe people saw my points as it is.

I always have confidence in what I say, otherwise I wouldn't say it. I had no problem with a Spider-Man reboot when I found out Raimi and Sony were having creative differences again. I gave the reboot every chance.

It complete failed to deliver. Twice.

Same with me when I found out it was cancelled. It was no surprise. But the difference between you and me is that I am supportive on the creators and at least sympathize with them.

The truth is not insane.

How you're saying it is quite insane.

 

[The Joker]

I'm not gonna repeat myself again. I just feel like a broken record saying this. I believe people saw my points as it is.

Hallelujah. I thought I'd have to go copy and paste my posts, A Necessary Evil's etc from that other thread here.

Same with me when I found out it was cancelled. It was no surprise. But the difference between you and me is that I am supportive on the creators and at least sympathize with them.

That's your choice. Why should I or anyone else support people who keep letting us down?

How you're saying it is quite insane.

The truth is the truth no matter what way you say it.

 

[GoodYoung]

If that were true we'd have had two Spider-Man movies that were better than his already.

It's going to be a long, long time before we see a Spider-Man movie that is going to be able to hold a candle to Raimi's masterpieces. Probably at least a decade.

We have one.
And thank God, we won't have Raimi-level Spidey movie.

The Avengers is a bad movie? You'd already lost me when you were dissing Raimi's masterpieces, but calling The Avengers a bad movie is just the icing on the cake. Congrats on completely destroying your credibility. Truly paints a picture on how you view brilliant movies.

Actually, you destroying yours. It's a just an another popcorn MCU movie with tons of action, stupid jokes and not-so-good acting.

That's as insane as saying The Avengers is.

What really is insane is saying that Raimi's SM and The Avengers are great cbms.

 

[The Joker]

We have one.
And thank God, we won't have Raimi-level Spidey movie.

We have two. And both pre date 2012.

Actually, you destroying yours. It's a just an another popcorn MCU movie with tons of action, stupid jokes and not-so-good acting.

What really is insane is saying that Raimi's SM and The Avengers are great cbms.

Thanks GoodYoung. With some posters you need to put a bit of effort into verbally exposing as making foolish statements and showing bad judgement. You do it all by yourself and save us all the effort.

Thumps up for that.

 

[GoodYoung]

The truth is the truth no matter what way you say it.

The truth is Raimi's is a good director and he made an amazing Evil Dead trilogy but his Spider-Man movies are overrated and not as good as some people think. And you can't seriously call them masterpieces.

 

[Spider-knight]

You do not know the same can be said about Webb. You have no proof. You're just assuming. We know for certain his Spider-Man movies have not been as popular and successful as Raimi's. Cannot deny that fact.

The reason webb's movies weren't popular was because it was tampered abd that webb only madeco e movie and worked on a few television episodes. If they weren't then people would totally be on board. The reason raimi got support was because he had freedom and it was enough for people to trust him and alot of them grew up with his movies.

[QUOTW]You guys bumped this thread with all this talk. If you didn't want people arguing with you over this then you shouldn't have started it. It's only normal you would get people disagreeing and arguing with you about this when it's about something as popular and great as the Raimi Spider-Man movies. They have a big fan base. This was inevitable spider-knight.[/QUOTE]

Well i had to make sure other people were on board with me if I kept going even you. And from what I can see you are just stubborn. The raimi films had a huge fan base because they weren't tampered with which gave raimi alot of respect. That and he made other great movies lime the sinple plan abd te evil dead films. Most people can't deny that if Marc webb's films weren't messed around with he would be a respected director and would definitely be on par with bryan singer.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

The reason webb's movies weren't popular was because it was tampered abd that webb only madeco e movie and worked on a few television episodes. If they weren't then people would totally be on board. The reason raimi got support was because he had freedom and it was enough for people to trust him and alot of them grew up with his movies.

That's what you think. That's just your own belief and you have no proof of it. That is not something you can prove or disprove. It's just your theory.

Well i had to make sure other people were on board with me if I kept going even you. And from what I can see you are just stubborn. The raimi films had a huge fan base because they weren't tampered with which gave raimi alot of respect. That and he made other great movies lime the sinple plan abd te evil dead films. Most people can't deny that if Marc webb's films weren't messed around with he would be a respected director and would definitely be on par with bryan singer.

You didn't need to make sure other people were on board with you. You should know by now there are other people who have the same opinions because this is not the first time you've had discussions like this. How that makes me stubborn I do not know. You're making no sense.

Raimi's movies are popular and have a huge fan base because they're great. He's a great director who made great Spider-Man movies. It doesn't matter if you have a good reputation or not, if you make a great movie people will love it.

 

[GoodYoung]

We have two. And both pre date 2012.

Yeah, in your dreams.

 

[The Joker]

The truth is Raimi's is a good director and he made an amazing Evil Dead trilogy but his Spider-Man movies are overrated and not as good as some people think.

That's the truth according to you. The massive critical and financial success, along with the huge ENDURING fan base for his movies, are not facts that show what you're saying.

That's just what you like to think. It probably burns even more that the Spider-Man movies you support more have not achieved that level of success yet, twice in a row. That's where this bitterness and resentment comes from I suspect.

And you can't seriously call them masterpieces.

Spider-Man 3, no, but 1 and 2 are masterpieces of the CBM genre for sure. Especially 2. I guarantee you no Spidey movie is going to reach those heights for years to come.

Yeah, in your dreams.

That was weak, even for you.

 

[Spider-knight]

That's what you think. That's just your own belief and you have no proof of it. That is not something you can prove or disprove. It's just your theory.



You didn't need to make sure other people were on board with you. You should know by now there are other people who have the same opinions because this is not the first time you've had discussions like this. How that makes me stubborn I do not know. You're making no sense.

Raimi's movies are popular and have a huge fan base because they're great. He's a great director who made great Spider-Man movies. It doesn't matter if you have a good reputation or not, if you make a great movie people will love it.

That's what u said. If webb's films weren't tampered with people would like him alot too