Is there a possibility of an Raimi's Spider-Man returning?

[Doctor Octopus]

That's what u said. If webb's films weren't tampered with people would like him alot too

That is your theory. Not a fact.

 

[GoodYoung]

The massive financial success, along with the huge ENDURING fan base for his movies

Wow, that's must mean Transformers are great movies too.

That's just what you like to think. It probably burns even more that the Spider-Man movies you support more have not achieved that level of success yet, twice in a row. That's where this bitterness and resentment comes from I suspect.

I didn't like TASM2. It's not better tham Raimi's.
And you seriously think people care about the reviews and level of success? Wow.

Spider-Man 3, no, but 1 and 2 are masterpieces of the CBM genre for sure. Especially 2. I guarantee you no Spidey movie is going to reach those heights for years to come.

It only shows what a bad taste people have.

 

[The Joker]

Wow, that's must mean Transformers are great movies too.

Have Transformers come even close to the level of critical success that Raimi's Spider-Man movies have?

Rhetorical question. You know they haven't.

I didn't like TASM2. It's not better tham Raimi's.
And you seriously think people care about the reviews and level of success? Wow.

Of course they do. That's why people start threads about Rotten Tomatoes scores, and track them, and discuss them endlessly. If nobody cared it would be a non entity issue.

It only shows how bad taste people have.

Yeah all those millions of people and critics have bad taste for The Avengers and Raimi's Spider-Man. You're ahead of the curve to everyone else.

What's it like living in denial? Is it comfy over there?

 

[GuestStar2004]

It would be a godsend if Raimi returned. There would be widespread rejoicing. Sony wouldn't have to be desperate and resort to pushing their sequels back and doing spin offs about villains lol. That is what happens when you get inferior movies. They need to learn that.

I am pretty sure loads wouldn't be happy, including me, I certainly wasn't one crying when a reboot was first reported, TASM in general has shown the flaws in Raimis vision now, heck even SM3 has shown the flaws with Raimi embracing his vision taking everything a step up from what it was and we went from raindrops montage to Peter dancing montage

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I am pretty sure loads wouldn't be happy, including me, I certainly wasn't one crying when a reboot was reported, TASM in general have shown the flaws in Raimis vision now, heck even SM3 has shown the flaws with Raimi embracing his vision taking everything a step up from what it was and we went from raindrops montage to Peter dancing montage

You're a minority. You know the most popular and iconic of movies have detractors.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080925201310AA5lQM7

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/the-unpopular-opinion-the-godfather

There is no movie that is loved by everyone. But they are like you they are minorities.

 

[Spider-knight]

That is true but that still doesn't help the fact that the raimi films weren't much of a godsend. Hell, I'll laugh when people say that the opening of spiderman 1 was the best opening they've ever seen

 

[OriginalMiles]

The Raimi movies are part of the reason comic-book movies are so big nowadays... if they sucked, we wouldn't love them.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

The Raimi movies are part of the reason comic-book movies are so big nowadays... if they sucked, we wouldn't love them.

Agreed. They are a great landmark in the comic book movie industry.

 

[GoodYoung]

Have Transformers come even close to the level of critical success that Raimi's Spider-Man movies have?

Rhetorical question. You know they haven't.

In critical - no. In financial - Transformers destroyed SM.

Of course they do. That's why people start threads about Rotten Tomatoes scores, and track them, and discuss them endlessly. If nobody cared it would be a non entity issue.

Okay, I don't.

Yeah all those millions of people and critics have bad taste for The Avengers and Raimi's Spider-Man.

Yes. But don't forget about thousands of people that don't swallow everything MCU throw at them.

What's it like living in denial? Is it comfy over there?

Yeah, we have some really great cbms like X2 or DOFP

 

[Spider-knight]

The Raimi movies are part of the reason comic-book movies are so big nowadays... if they sucked, we wouldn't love them.

I know that. But before iron man and the rest of the MCU Came out we still had crappy movies like blade, hulk, Electra, daredevil, fantastic four, and a few others. It was since 2008 that we would get iron man and future movies

 

[The Joker]

In critical - no. In financial - Transformers destroyed SM.

Yeah that's why nobody relies on box office alone as an indicator for quality. Nobody with any sense anyway.

Okay, I don't.

That's fair enough. But a lot of people do. It's always a hot topic when a new CBM comes out.

Yes. But don't forget about thousands of people that don't swallow everything MCU throw at them.

They're what you call a drop in the ocean in comparison to the ones who love the MCU.

I mean there's thousands, millions even of people who don't like Spider-Man, Batman, or any of the popular mainstream comic book characters. Does that diminish the greatness or overwhelming popularity of these characters?

Of course not.

Yeah, we have some really great cbms like X2 or DOFP

Ah well you're definitely in reality there. I love those movies. Truly part of the all time greats. DOFP is my 3rd favorite CBM of all time.

 

[GoodYoung]

Yeah that's why nobody relies on box office alone as an indicator for quality. Nobody with any sense anyway.

Ok, but what about Iron Man 3? It had around 80% on RT and it was HUGE financial success. But you can't call it a great movie, can you?

Ah well you're definitely in reality there. I love those movies. Truly part of the all time greats. DOFP is my 3rd favorite CBM of all time.

It's my favorite of all time. The Dark Knight and X2 are 2nd and 3rd (probably gonna be 3rd and 4th in 2016 after Apocalypse is released).

They're what you call a drop in the ocean in comparison to the ones who love the MCU.

I mean there's thousands, millions even of people who don't like Spider-Man, Batman, or any of the popular mainstream comic book characters. Does that diminish the greatness or overwhelming popularity of these characters?

Of course not.

First TASM has a lot of fans. I'm pretty sure it would have higher score and box office if it was released in 2002 instead of SM1.

 

[The Joker]

Ok, but what about Iron Man 3? It had around 80% on RT and it was HUGE financial success. But you can't call it a great movie, can you?

It has a 78% rating, not close to the scores of any of the all time greats, and I would call it a very good movie, which is what the score suggests.

It's my favorite of all time. The Dark Knight and X2 are 2nd and 3rd (probably gonna be 3rd and 4th in 2016 after Apocalypse is released).

Well you have got some good taste

I love all those three.

First TASM has a lot of fans. I'm pretty sure it would have higher score and box office if it was released in 2002 instead of SM1.

I never said or implied TASM did not have fans, but it's fan base is not nearly on par with the The Avengers, Raimi Spider-Man's, Nolan Batman's, or any of the all the time greats. It's fan base is starting to dwindle after the damage TASM 2 did.

In 2002, in a time when it was harsher for comic book movies, and not the paradise it is now, TASM would have come off much worse than it did in 2012. It would have been slaughtered I'd say. If Raimi's movies and others had not paved the way for Spider-Man and comic book movies in general, TASM would have been hammered more than it was.

 

[Spider-knight]

It has a 78% rating, not close to the scores of any of the all time greats, and I would call it a very good movie, which is what the score suggests.



Well you have got some good taste

I love all those three.



I never said or implied TASM did not have fans, but it's fan base is not nearly on par with the The Avengers, Raimi Spider-Man's, Nolan Batman's, or any of the all the time greats. It's fan base is starting to dwindle after the damage TASM 2 did.

In 2002, in a time when it was harsher for comic book movies, and not the paradise it is now, TASM would have come off much worse than it did in 2012. It would have been slaughtered I'd say. If Raimi's movies and others had not paved the way for Spider-Man and comic book movies in general, TASM would have been hammered more than it was.

Actually webb's first movie wouldve been on par with singers x-men. That and also with everything that happened after 9/11 raimi gave the audience some comfort

 

[The Joker]

Actually webb's first movie wouldve been on par with singers x-men. That and also with everything that happened after 9/11 raimi gave the audience some comfort

Yeah thanks for your baseless theories, Spider-knight. They're always appreciated.

 

[Spider-knight]

Yeah thanks for your baseless theories, Spider-knight. They're always appreciated.

No seriously, people have mentioned that Raimi's first film gave people comfort abd with what happened in the bridge scene abd the American flag combined with the tone I believe that was also the case

 

[The Joker]

No seriously, people have mentioned that Raimi's first film gave people comfort abd with what happened in the bridge scene abd the American flag combined with the tone I believe that was also the case

That wasn't the part of your post I was calling baseless. It was the Singer's X-Men remark. I know all about the positive effect Raimi's movie had on the aftermath of 9/11. They had to cut the two towers out of one of the trailers after it happened.

 

[GoodYoung]

It has a 78% rating, not close to the scores of any of the all time greats, and I would call it a very good movie, which is what the score suggests.

But it's really close to X-Men 1 which I like very much (not as much as the second but still). I'd give IM3 around 40% tbh. Well, maybe I just not a fan MCU movies.

In 2002, in a time when it was harsher for comic book movies, and not the paradise it is now, TASM would have come off much worse than it did in 2012. It would have been slaughtered I'd say. If Raimi's movies and others had not paved the way for Spider-Man and comic book movies in general, TASM would have been hammered more than it was.

The world wasn't ready for it
TASM wasn't hammered. It was a successful movie and had good reviews just not as good as Raimi's had. Maybe I was a bit rude to those movies, I do understand how big they were and what impact they have had. But I didn't like them even on my first watch. Especially the second one.

 

[Spider-knight]

That wasn't the part of your post I was calling baseless. It was the Singer's X-Men remark. I know all about the positive effect Raimi's movie had on the aftermath of 9/11. They had to cut the two towers out of one of the trailers after it happened.

What I'm saying is true. TASM 1 would've been considered very emotional and thought provoking by fans and audiences while Raimi's 1 was considered emotional, thought provoking and gives you the greatest escapism audiences ever experienced

 

[The Joker]

But it's really close to X-Men 1 which I like very much (not as much as the second but still). I'd give IM3 around 40% tbh. Well, maybe I just not a fan MCU movies.

Well that's a personal preference. I'm not going to tell you you're wrong for having a personal taste. X-Men and Iron Man 3 I would both rate as very good movies. Not great, or anything really stand out notable, but good entertaining movies.

The world wasn't ready for it
TASM wasn't hammered. It was a successful movie and had good reviews just not as good as Raimi's had. Maybe I was a bit rude to those movies, I do understand how big they were and what impact they have had. But I didn't like them even on my first watch. Especially the second one.

The world wasn't ready for it? I assume that's sarcasm.

TASM got 73% so it got it's share of hammering, but I'm not saying it was a critical failure or anything like that. Far from it. I'm saying in the golden age for comic book movies it only got 73%. A really great CBM has no problem getting into the 80's percentage range these days. That's why the likes of Thor 2, Iron Man 3 etc don't get scores like that either in spite of them being part of the sainted MCU. They're not that great.

What I'm saying is true. TASM 1 would've been considered very emotional and thought provoking by fans and audiences while Raimi's 1 was considered emotional, thought provoking and gives you the greatest escapism audiences ever experienced

What you're saying is not true. If it was you'd be able to prove it. It's just a belief/theory you have. Nothing more.

 

[GoodYoung]

The world wasn't ready for it? I assume that's sarcasm.

It's a sarcasm. But I do think people would've love it more than Raimi's.

TASM got 73% so it got it's share of hammering, but I'm not saying it was a critical failure or anything like that. Far from it. I'm saying in the golden age for comic book movies it only got 73%. A really great CBM has no problem getting into the 80's percentage range these days.

A lot of critics felt than the movie was too similar to Raimi's. Which is why many of them gave it a lesser score. If there weren't any Raimi's SM movies, the ASM score probably would higher.

 

[The Joker]

It's a sarcasm. But I do think people would've love it more than Raimi's.

I doubt it. More grim and gritty isn't what the world would have wanted for Spider-Man back in 2002, and they still don't want it much nowadays.

A lot of critics felt than the movie was too similar to Raimi's. Which is why many of them gave it a lesser score. If there weren't any Raimi's SM movies, the ASM score probably would higher.

But that's a fair criticism. A lot of the furniture was repeated in TASM. The point of a reboot is to make it feel as fresh as possible, like how Batman Begins didn't feel like a retread of the previous Batman movies.

 

[GoodYoung]

I doubt it. More grim and gritty isn't what the world would have wanted for Spider-Man back in 2002, and they still don't want it much nowadays.

I don't really think TASM was dark and gritty. It's not like Nolan's Batman or Singer's X-Men.

But that's a fair criticism. A lot of the furniture was repeated in TASM. The point of a reboot is to make it feel as fresh as possible, like how Batman Begins didn't feel like a retread of the previous Batman movies.

But there wouldn't be such problem if it was released before Raimi's.
And honestly, I can't see any similarities. They feel like two completely different movies.

 

[The Joker]

I don't really think TASM was dark and gritty. It's not like Nolan's Batman or Singer's X-Men.

No nobody is saying it's as dark as Batman, but for Spider-Man it is dark and gritty. A definite break from the Spider-Man tone. So much of the movie takes place at night, too. So it's also visually a dark movie.

But there wouldn't be such problem if it was released before Raimi's.
And honestly, I can't see any similarities. They feel like two completely different movies.

But it was released after Raimi's and the onus was on it to make it feel completely fresh to Raimi's. If it had there wouldn't have been any problem in that regard. But we got the Spider-Man origin again, another scientist villain who Peter knows who turns good at the end, another High School girl romance for Peter etc. There was a lot of the same furniture there. There wasn't anything in the movie that felt like really new territory like in my aforementioned example of Batman Begins and how it felt totally fresh to the previous Batman movies. I supposed you could say the Peter's parents sub plot, the untold story they kept marketing, which was deadly dull and went nowhere interesting in TASM.

 

[GoodYoung]

s released after Raimi's and the onus was on it to make it feel completely fresh to Raimi's. If it had there wouldn't have been any problem in that regard. But we got the Spider-Man origin again, another scientist villain who Peter knows who turns good at the end, another High School girl romance for Peter etc. There was a lot of the same furniture there. There wasn't anything in the movie that felt like really new territory like in my aforementioned example of Batman Begins and how it felt totally fresh to the previous Batman movies. I supposed you could say the Peter's parents sub plot, the untold story they kept marketing, which was deadly dull and went nowhere interesting in TASM.

But it doesn't make a those movies similar. TASM had completely different tone, completely different characters, action and the story. And as I know Lizard often turns good at the end, so I don't see no problem there.