BvS It's always Darkest before The Dawn... Chris Terrio IS the Script Writer

[LordofhouseEl]

Just curious. Why in the world would WB want to get either Bruce Timm or Paul Dini to consult, when animated and live action are totally separate entities? I mean, I loved the Batman/Superman animated series just as much as the next person, but I wouldn't think that would warrant a consultation from them.

Because animated or not they create a successful dynamic between multiple characters, although their hardon for Batman is always a problem.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Timm and Dini et al, are always brought up... Let's see any of them handle a live action property first, shall we? A tv show, a short film... Something, before we hand them a $200 million budget would be nice. I see that first and then I'll see if in my mind that group should even be considered.

 

[NosfeRomas]

Dini co-wrote the upcoming Maleficent movie for Disney.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Dini co-wrote the upcoming Maleficent movie for Disney.

Well then... That is a start.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I also wasn't too fond of the Martha and Clark scenes.

I really liked them, especially the scene in which Clark returns home to tell his mother about his most recent exploits, specifically the discovery of his true lineage.

Another forum member recently put into words why the scene works so well; and I agree with his take 100%.

Here's what he said:

"There is one moment that caught me pretty strongly in these heart-strings of mine (and I'm sure others as well) but it's done so softly that a lot of people probably missed it - maybe "softly" isn't the right word to describe it, sorry, just the only thing that comes to mind.

When Clark returns home after discovering who he is, learning to fly, etc, and he faces Martha and says he's found his parents, Martha has a little gasp (and you can see her hand cover her mouth for a brief moment), but then he says "I know where I come from now" and that just pretty much broke my heart the very first time I saw the movie - nobody around me seemed to catch Martha's reaction and I was wondering why (hence me saying it happened so softly).

It's pretty obvious in that moment that Martha is heartbroken herself at what Clark just said because in some respects he just dismissed his entire upbringing with Jonathan and her in one short statement. She even looks as if someone just knocked the wind out of her as she says "Wow" but then she looks down at the ground - the same kind of reaction we humans (of course she's human but I mean "we humans" in reality and not the movie) have when someone yanks the proverbial rug right out from under us.

Whenever someone gets seriously bad news about most anything the first reaction is typically a head bowing towards the chest and a sigh, and Diane Lane pulls that off so deftly I swear in several viewings of it in theaters I still feel like I'm the only person that caught it.

Even as she's trying to seem cheerful about his discovery of his past and his people, even as she's saying "I'm so happy for you, Clark" I swear she's about to burst out in tears. Powerful stuff.

She knows and we know he's not meaning to hurt anyone by saying what he says, but it does hurt just the same.

Just another one of those little things."

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I loveeeeee the Martha scenes.

love love love.

"I'm not going anywhere.....I promise..." epic Superman smile.

"Nice suit son".

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I want MORE Martha. I want Martha in Metropolis.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I loveeeeee the Martha scenes.

love love love.

"I'm not going anywhere.....I promise..." epic Superman smile.

"Nice suit son".

I want MORE Martha. I want Martha in Metropolis.

 

[Moridin]

Good news. This might actually be a good film now.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

I want MORE Martha. I want Martha in Metropolis.

This! One brief scene would do it for me.

 

[manofsteel4life]

I really liked them, especially the scene in which Clark returns home to tell his mother about his most recent exploits, specifically the discovery of his true lineage.

Another forum member recently put into words why the scene works so well; and I agree with his take 100%.

Here's what he said:

"There is one moment that caught me pretty strongly in these heart-strings of mine (and I'm sure others as well) but it's done so softly that a lot of people probably missed it - maybe "softly" isn't the right word to describe it, sorry, just the only thing that comes to mind.

When Clark returns home after discovering who he is, learning to fly, etc, and he faces Martha and says he's found his parents, Martha has a little gasp (and you can see her hand cover her mouth for a brief moment), but then he says "I know where I come from now" and that just pretty much broke my heart the very first time I saw the movie - nobody around me seemed to catch Martha's reaction and I was wondering why (hence me saying it happened so softly).

It's pretty obvious in that moment that Martha is heartbroken herself at what Clark just said because in some respects he just dismissed his entire upbringing with Jonathan and her in one short statement. She even looks as if someone just knocked the wind out of her as she says "Wow" but then she looks down at the ground - the same kind of reaction we humans (of course she's human but I mean "we humans" in reality and not the movie) have when someone yanks the proverbial rug right out from under us.

Whenever someone gets seriously bad news about most anything the first reaction is typically a head bowing towards the chest and a sigh, and Diane Lane pulls that off so deftly I swear in several viewings of it in theaters I still feel like I'm the only person that caught it.

Even as she's trying to seem cheerful about his discovery of his past and his people, even as she's saying "I'm so happy for you, Clark" I swear she's about to burst out in tears. Powerful stuff.

She knows and we know he's not meaning to hurt anyone by saying what he says, but it does hurt just the same.

Just another one of those little things."

No I noticed it to and I kept it to myself, just cause there was soo much that happened that it was hard to bring it up, but yea....it's like she was saying, I'm so happy for you.....not! Lol....I felt sad for Martha in that scene

 

[STARMAN]

I love the Martha scene also.

I hope Terrio works on the Superman/Lois stuff. I want to see more banter between the two of them.

 

[D.P.]

Goyer haters should be jumping in the air and clicking their little heels together.

I doubt 95% of you are even familiar with his body of work, just read "Oscar winner" and "Argo" and your eyes lit up.

 

[DChero]

Goyer haters should be jumping in the air and click their little heels together.

I doubt 95% of you are even familiar with his body of work, just read "Oscar winner" and "Argo" and your eyes lit up.

I've always supported Goyer. I never acted as if his writing was perfect, but we don't get Batman Begins or Man of Steel without him. There were some out of place lines in Man of Steel, whether it be editing issues or writing inconsistencies, it never hurts to have someone else look your work over. Hopefully this pays off.

 

[A.Stabelli]

Plus, we don't know if Affleck himself worked on the script or not.

 

[DChero]

I don't know that Affleck will be working on the script or what impact it would make. To our knowledge, he is solely an actor and I don't expect that to change.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I didn't love Martha in this film, I felt they tried to hard to be Smallville but it was odd because this Martha was the mother of a 33yr old. Though She was good as the mother of a young Clark . I always felt one of the best aspects of JnM was that they had given up on having a child years ago, then one falls into their lap. There was nothing generally wrong with the return to the farm scene, just for me it fell flat.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

For those skeptical about his short resume, I don't think he's a one hit wonder. He's had three scripts make the Black List including Argo. Aside from the numerous things he's working on with Affleck, his other work has attracted top talent:

A Foreigner - Matt Damon's directorial debut, Steve Zaillian producing
An untitled crime film - Paul Greengrass attached to direct, Clooney/Heslov producing
Tell No One remake - Gavin O'Connor attached to direct
The Ends of the Earth - Jennifer Lawrence attached, David O. Russell rumored to direct and the Weinstein Co. producing

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I've always supported Goyer. I never acted as if his writing was perfect, but we don't get Batman Begins or Man of Steel without him. There were some out of place lines in Man of Steel, whether it be editing issues or writing inconsistencies, it never hurts to have someone else look your work over. Hopefully this pays off.

I feel that Goyer at his best is ambitious, out of the box, and genuinely exciting. But his worst makes me

 

[DarkSentinel]

Again it must be stated that Goyer's ideas and passion for comics in general add a lot to the films he's been involved in. But he's not a "screenwriter" in the way that a guy like Jonah Nolan or Steve Kloves is a screenwriter. You need someone who can take story ideas like Goyer's and make them work on screen (this includes dialogue).

That said, I'm hoping Terrio gives it a good polish and we get that much of a better film because of it

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

"John Chambers: Target audience will hate it.
Tony Mendez: Who's the target audience?
John Chambers: People with eyes."

"Lester Siegel: Okay, you got 6 people hiding out in a town of what, 4 million people, all of whom chant "death to America" all the livelong day. You want to set up a movie in a week. You want to lie to Hollywood, a town where everybody lies for a living. Then you're gonna sneak 007 over here into a country that wants CIA blood on their breakfast cereal, and you're gonna walk the Brady Bunch out of the most watched city in the world.
Tony Mendez: Past about a hundred militia at the airport. That's right.
Lester Siegel: Right. Look, I gotta tell you. We did suicide missions in the army that had better odds than this."

"First A.D.: He says the Minotaur prosthetic is too tight, so he can't act.
John Chambers: If he could act, he wouldn't be playing the Minotaur."

Argo demonstrated a lot of dark wittiness. We need some of that distributed among Batman, Luthor, and even Kent at times.

Slightly unrelated, and this from an old article, but this implies that Superman and Batman will indeed become allies. "The fun of the idea is to play with the relationship - whether they fight and become friends, or whether they're friends and they fight - you get to take these icons and see how they emotionally fit together""-Zack Snyder.

Why not both? Friendship with an underlying rivalry

All I can think about his kid-in-candy-store look about a Superman/Batman movie in a prerelease MOS interview. If he can recapture that feeling on film, I think it can be quite an enjoyable flick.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

For those skeptical about his short resume, I don't think he's a one hit wonder. He's had three scripts make the Black List including Argo. Aside from the numerous things he's working on with Affleck, his other work has attracted top talent:

A Foreigner - Matt Damon's directorial debut, Steve Zaillian producing
An untitled crime film - Paul Greengrass attached to direct, Clooney/Heslov producing
Tell No One remake - Gavin O'Connor attached to direct
The Ends of the Earth - Jennifer Lawrence attached, David O. Russell rumored to direct and the Weinstein Co. producing

Wasn't Affleck attached to this project at one point?

 

[D.P.]

I've always supported Goyer.

Then you aren't the type of person I was referring to then.

I'm all for making the script as tight as possible, but this whole "We must be saved from the God awful Goyer and his wretched writing" schtick is played out and over exaggerated.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Wasn't Affleck attached to this project at one point?

Yeah, I think you're right.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Then you aren't the type of person I was referring to then.

I'm all for making the script as tight as possible, but this whole "We must be saved from the God awful Goyer and his wretched writing" schtick is played out and over exaggerated.

Goyer definitely has had his good and bad works. But his good outweighs the bad and when it's good, it's VERY good.