BvS It's always Darkest before The Dawn... Chris Terrio IS the Script Writer

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Without Goyer, MOS and BB wouldn't be made and Marvel wouldn't have its first hit. Goyer also placed Del Toro in the mainstream with the Blade sequel.

But I do want his writing smoothed over, especially the dialog.

 

[DChero]

Since Terrio's only revising, expect some minor dialogue changes and some scene cutting. Beyond that, it'll still be Goyer's product. "Polishing" is definitely the best way to describe it.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I think it would be hard for Ben to just be an actor and not mention flaws in the directing and writing. I wonder if he has been around for MOS if he would have let the tornadocide go through.

 

[InJustice]

My only problem with this thread is that people are getting so hyped up about getting another writer that they're overlooking that he's relatively unproven. Moreover, they're also overlooking the potential that this could just be a way for the script to be polished, not overhauled. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Goyer should be the only writer (he shouldn't and this is good news), but I'm not particularly crazy about this move seeing as how we don't know how well Terrio can do dialogue or stabilize Goyer's ideas, or set the story up in the context of superhero movies.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I think it would be hard for Ben to just be an actor and not mention flaws in the directing and writing. I wonder if he has been around for MOS if he would have let the tornadocide go through.

It's funny, but I think Zack would really listen to him.

""Jonathan Kent is the only father figure Clark has ever had, the man who was there to help Clark understand what he was meant to do in the world as Superman. Kevin will be able to communicate the quiet strength of this rural American man who raised the greatest superhero of all time."

Sounds like Zack understood Kent more than DG

 

[DChero]

Then you aren't the type of person I was referring to then.

I'm all for making the script as tight as possible, but this whole "We must be saved from the God awful Goyer and his wretched writing" schtick is played out and over exaggerated.

Oh yeah, I was agreeing. I chalk a lot of it up to that fanboy mentality of things either being perfect or horrific, with no middle-ground.

 

[Dr.]

Yep and yep. I still maintain that a reworked MOS would have been the best superhero movie ever made, even WITH Zack in the directors chair. But alas, nobody thought there was anything wrong with "d!cksplash."

If the scene in question requires a crude taunt from an uncouth bully, then I’m not sure a clever epithet worthy of Christopher Hitchens would have been appropriate.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Yeah, should have been "turdburgler" instead

 

[charl_huntress]

I really liked them, especially the scene in which Clark returns home to tell his mother about his most recent exploits, specifically the discovery of his true lineage.

Another forum member recently put into words why the scene works so well; and I agree with his take 100%.

Here's what he said:

"There is one moment that caught me pretty strongly in these heart-strings of mine (and I'm sure others as well) but it's done so softly that a lot of people probably missed it - maybe "softly" isn't the right word to describe it, sorry, just the only thing that comes to mind.

When Clark returns home after discovering who he is, learning to fly, etc, and he faces Martha and says he's found his parents, Martha has a little gasp (and you can see her hand cover her mouth for a brief moment), but then he says "I know where I come from now" and that just pretty much broke my heart the very first time I saw the movie - nobody around me seemed to catch Martha's reaction and I was wondering why (hence me saying it happened so softly).

It's pretty obvious in that moment that Martha is heartbroken herself at what Clark just said because in some respects he just dismissed his entire upbringing with Jonathan and her in one short statement. She even looks as if someone just knocked the wind out of her as she says "Wow" but then she looks down at the ground - the same kind of reaction we humans (of course she's human but I mean "we humans" in reality and not the movie) have when someone yanks the proverbial rug right out from under us.

Whenever someone gets seriously bad news about most anything the first reaction is typically a head bowing towards the chest and a sigh, and Diane Lane pulls that off so deftly I swear in several viewings of it in theaters I still feel like I'm the only person that caught it.

Even as she's trying to seem cheerful about his discovery of his past and his people, even as she's saying "I'm so happy for you, Clark" I swear she's about to burst out in tears. Powerful stuff.

She knows and we know he's not meaning to hurt anyone by saying what he says, but it does hurt just the same.

Just another one of those little things."

The dialogue was just meh for me in those scenes. I did eventually get that...but it just felt off. Tempest said it best. Even though it is meant to be a touching scene it comes of a bit stilted and unnatural.

 

[roach]

I think it would be hard for Ben to just be an actor and not mention flaws in the directing and writing. I wonder if he has been around for MOS if he would have let the tornadocide go through.

This would take a bit of understanding who Ben Affleck is as a person and actor...and I don't think any of us truly know how he would act.

 

[John-An]

I have one word for this.

Meh.

We had a good basis with MOS. Not a perfect world, but an exciting, different take on Superman. I liked it, hands down, more than any other super hero film I've seen to date.

Now I'm worried they're going to Marvelize this world.

I don't know this guy's work. I didn't see Argo, so anyone have any clue on what this guy could bring to the table? Will he Marvelize this film (i.e. make it stupid so people won't have to think too hard), or will he make it more dramatic?

I recommend you to see Argo and you'll see a great movie.
I don't think they're gonna do that cause Goyer and Snyder are there and they know about the comic book world. Chris will have a hand in the dialogue and the strong parts he's good at it. I think the DC approach is totally different to Marvel.

 

[Marvin]

Then you aren't the type of person I was referring to then.

I'm all for making the script as tight as possible, but this whole "We must be saved from the God awful Goyer and his wretched writing" schtick is played out and over exaggerated.

I like goyer cause to me he's like the opposite of Akiva Goldsman. Hollywood won't let people like morrison write movies but goyer was sort of the bridge. The man could write decent comic books and he can bring those key elements to the studios where before it was folks like Goldsman, whom were great at traditional dramas but misguided at cbm's(batman/hancock).
I don't mind that Goyer isn't the type to turn in an academy award winning script. I personally don't require such things of big genre. Terminator two probably ain't winning a best script either, but the ideas...
I gave two squats about vampires before the cool ideas of blade.

Another set of eyes on this script will surely help the final product avoid pacing and logistical issues all detractors alike seem to point out at first glance. Just another step in the right direction to ensure the pending reign of DCU.

 

[Marvin]

This would take a bit of understanding who Ben Affleck is as a person and actor...and I don't think any of us truly know how he would act.

fans make all sorts of sweeping generalizations about what they assume goes on behind the scenes. Last time this happened it pertained to what nolan would do with his "leash".

This time the glimmer of hope is affleck. The real question is just how much tampering did this man do on his last film(Runner Runner). I assume he'll do just as much/little here. People do what they are contracted to do.

 

[charl_huntress]

All these men and women working together are professionals. Lots of people seem to crap on Goyer, but he seems to be someone willing to collaborate. That's a benefit in my book.

 

[roach]

All these men and women working together are professionals. Lots of people seem to crap on Goyer, but he seems to be someone willing to collaborate. That's a benefit in my book.

This will take people very far in Hollywood.

 

[charl_huntress]

This will take people very far in Hollywood.

Agreed and the fact the guy always has a job on high profile projects should really speak to that.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Man I'm still so excited that we got another writer. The feeling I have is just:

 

[Tempest]

Awful lot of confidence for a guy with two credits under his belt.

Well geez, it's not Goyer. It has to be good news.

 

[roach]

Awful lot of confidence for a guy with two credits under his belt.

one of those credits won him an Oscar.

 

[Tempest]

"John Chambers: Target audience will hate it.
Tony Mendez: Who's the target audience?
John Chambers: People with eyes."

"Lester Siegel: Okay, you got 6 people hiding out in a town of what, 4 million people, all of whom chant "death to America" all the livelong day. You want to set up a movie in a week. You want to lie to Hollywood, a town where everybody lies for a living. Then you're gonna sneak 007 over here into a country that wants CIA blood on their breakfast cereal, and you're gonna walk the Brady Bunch out of the most watched city in the world.
Tony Mendez: Past about a hundred militia at the airport. That's right.
Lester Siegel: Right. Look, I gotta tell you. We did suicide missions in the army that had better odds than this."

"First A.D.: He says the Minotaur prosthetic is too tight, so he can't act.
John Chambers: If he could act, he wouldn't be playing the Minotaur."

Argo demonstrated a lot of dark wittiness. We need some of that distributed among Batman, Luthor, and even Kent at times.

Does it play out better on screen? Because those exchanges are ok, but nothing to get so excited over.

My only problem with this thread is that people are getting so hyped up about getting another writer that they're overlooking that he's relatively unproven. Moreover, they're also overlooking the potential that this could just be a way for the script to be polished, not overhauled. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Goyer should be the only writer (he shouldn't and this is good news), but I'm not particularly crazy about this move seeing as how we don't know how well Terrio can do dialogue or stabilize Goyer's ideas, or set the story up in the context of superhero movies.

Yep. This.

The dialogue was just meh for me in those scenes. I did eventually get that...but it just felt off. Tempest said it best. Even though it is meant to be a touching scene it comes of a bit stilted and unnatural.

Oh no no no. Don't pin that on me. I loved every Martha and Clark scene. I wish that they were longer, but I had no problems with them at all. I don't remember who said that the scenes were stilted, but it wasn't me. Thanks for thinking of me though.

I recommend you to see Argo and you'll see a great movie.

I don't think they're gonna do that cause Goyer and Snyder are there and they know about the comic book world. Chris will have a hand in the dialogue and the strong parts he's good at it. I think the DC approach is totally different to Marvel.

Argo doesn't interest me. I'm always picky about real-events-made-into-movies, because Hollywood never gets it right. They change things, or make things up, or outright lie to make the story 'better', and that drives me up the flipping wall.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

The dialogue was just meh for me in those scenes. I did eventually get that...but it just felt off. Tempest said it best. Even though it is meant to be a touching scene it comes of a bit stilted and unnatural.

It flowed perfectly in my opinion. There was nothing stilted or unnatural about it.

Oh no no no. Don't pin that on me. I loved every Martha and Clark scene. I wish that they were longer, but I had no problems with them at all. I don't remember who said that the scenes were stilted, but it wasn't me.

 

[StarLord]

Argo doesn't interest me. I'm always picky about real-events-made-into-movies, because Hollywood never gets it right. They change things, or make things up, or outright lie to make the story 'better', and that drives me up the flipping wall.

I don't know about ''getting it right'', but as a movie it was brilliant.

So intense.

 

[charl_huntress]

Oh no no no. Don't pin that on me. I loved every Martha and Clark scene. I wish that they were longer, but I had no problems with them at all. I don't remember who said that the scenes were stilted, but it wasn't me. Thanks for thinking of me though.

LOL...but it's so easy to blame it all on you! t:

Don't get me wrong. I like all the Martha and Clark scenes and the Lois and Clark/Superman scenes, but the dialogue just didn't sell it well for me.

It flowed perfectly in my opinion. There was nothing stilted or unnatural about it.

It's stiff for me.

 

[roach]

It's stiff for me.

sometimes dialogue that reads good sounds stiff out loud and dialogue that reads stiff sounds good out loud.

Argo is a really good film and should be watched.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

It's stiff for me.

I felt that Cavill and Lane had really good chemistry. Even the dialogue in that particular scene worked for me. I hear ya though.