Dasher10
I'm like Deadpool IRL
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Honestly, Sony needs to abandon this franchise entirely. Their last three films were all pretty bad and I don't see them getting much better if TASM3 introduces four new villains along with MJ and probably also JJ Jameson and Ed Brock as well. With that many new faces in a film that will also do the whole black costume arc, it's not going to be focused at all. Combine that with needing to find out who killed Ben Parker, Felicia hardy becoming black Cat and what exactly was going on with Peter's Parents and bio-weapons at Oscorp, it's easy to lose faith.
Moreover, Marc Webb showed a complete inability to edit TASM2. Even with things like Norman's resurrection cut and Harry's time as Green Goblin trimmed, TASM2 was still two and a half hours. What that shows is somebody with too many ideas in the editing room. That along with casting Jamie Foxx and then doing nothing cool or interesting with him, then killing him off before he had any real motive was incredibly dumb. And even with how rushed these things seemed, the movie still felt like an overlong drag.
That combined with Sony's expensive marketing which was everywhere and no merchandise to compensate just made this one really expensive mistake that cost way more than most tentpole films cost to make. Plus sequels are expected to gross more than their predecessors. When only grossing slightly more than Man of Steel did with the same budget but with no merchandise revenue, I don't get how Sony wants to go forward with an even bigger cast which means an even longer runtime and a bigger budget since actors will eat up a movie's budget like nothing else.
That and one of the spin-offs being Sinister Six. For as much as I like Superior Foes of Spider-man, I'm not sure how it'll work as a film since the comic is a pure farce which doesn't really gel with the tone that the films have and probably won't be nearly as funny.
I mean, without the merchandise, comic or TV rights, what else can Sony even do to promote the IP other than DVD sales for a film that got negative word of mouth? I certainly can't think of any other way to get cash off the property, particularly when TASM is a franchise competing with Marvel's Avengers, Fox's X-Men and Warner's Justice League but without room for tie-ins and spin-offs. The best move that Sony could make is to sell Spider-Man's live action rights back to Marvel an make a few billion easily.
Also, the sequel is still being written by Roberto Orci who's a notorious conspiracy theorist who believes that governments act just like movie villains and thus his villains are one-dimensional caricatures of what should be compelling characters. Look at that whole "Doctor Kafka" scene which was just cringeworthy where he tortures Elctro for no logical reason but he's German so he's going to do it to be EVIL!!!!! Then Electro decides that he doesn't want revenge on the NYPD for jumping the gun or Spider-Man for the "callous" sin of forgetting his name. He wants to get revenge on the entire city of New York. Then Harry decides that he doesn't want revenge on Peter, he wants vengeance on GWEN STACY! This is after he gets the cure that Peter was withholding from him which A. would have had the exact same effect if Peter gave harry his blood in the first place and B. gave Harry absolutely no motivation for seeking revenge other than, "I'M EVIL!!!"
These are villains with nothing to gain whatsoever from their plans. They have no purpose other than opposing Spider-Man for reasons that don't make any sense whatsoever. This isn't surprising coming from a man who used the term, "coincidence theorists" on his Twitter account.
It's not like Sony needs Spider-Man to be profitable. They have Jump Street, Men in Black, Robocop James Bond, The Smurfs and Underworld as bankable franchises. They can also make a film based on Uncharted, Killzone, Planetside or Infamous since they own the IP for those INDEFINITELY. In fact, they could also do a Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank or Sly Cooper animated film with their video game IP.
Point being, Sony is sitting on a potential goldmine of properties to develop, especially since they're also a video game company. So why are they holding on to the rights to Spider-Man and trying to shove an unwanted Sinister Six spin-off down our throats? Sony's gaming properties are things that Sony owns the merch rights for so an aggressive marketing strategy is actually worthwhile for those, not to mention things like shirts, toys, etc which also generate revenue. Even with games based on the Spider-Man films, those are made by Activision, which is one less reason for Sony to develop Spider-Man instead of some Playstation films.
Sony is just setting itself up for two massive flops in a row, one an overcrowded sequel, the other simply existing just to do a spin-off when Sony's track record is already pretty shaky to begin with. I mean, Fox gave us TWO bad X-Men movies and that was enough to scare them into repairing the brand. Sony on the other hand has made THREE low-quality Spider-Man films. THREE. And now there are reports of them delaying TASM3 to 2017 when they'll be competing with Thor, Justice League, The Flash, Wonder Woman, Wolverine, Fantastic Four and possibly one or two more Marvel Studios films. TASM3 would just get lost in the noise and become a punchline. We as fans are truly living in the Clone Saga of the Spider-Man film franchise. There are loose ends everywhere, it seems it will never end, the brand is damaged and apathy has completely set in. Thanks, Sony.
Moreover, Marc Webb showed a complete inability to edit TASM2. Even with things like Norman's resurrection cut and Harry's time as Green Goblin trimmed, TASM2 was still two and a half hours. What that shows is somebody with too many ideas in the editing room. That along with casting Jamie Foxx and then doing nothing cool or interesting with him, then killing him off before he had any real motive was incredibly dumb. And even with how rushed these things seemed, the movie still felt like an overlong drag.
That combined with Sony's expensive marketing which was everywhere and no merchandise to compensate just made this one really expensive mistake that cost way more than most tentpole films cost to make. Plus sequels are expected to gross more than their predecessors. When only grossing slightly more than Man of Steel did with the same budget but with no merchandise revenue, I don't get how Sony wants to go forward with an even bigger cast which means an even longer runtime and a bigger budget since actors will eat up a movie's budget like nothing else.
That and one of the spin-offs being Sinister Six. For as much as I like Superior Foes of Spider-man, I'm not sure how it'll work as a film since the comic is a pure farce which doesn't really gel with the tone that the films have and probably won't be nearly as funny.
I mean, without the merchandise, comic or TV rights, what else can Sony even do to promote the IP other than DVD sales for a film that got negative word of mouth? I certainly can't think of any other way to get cash off the property, particularly when TASM is a franchise competing with Marvel's Avengers, Fox's X-Men and Warner's Justice League but without room for tie-ins and spin-offs. The best move that Sony could make is to sell Spider-Man's live action rights back to Marvel an make a few billion easily.
Also, the sequel is still being written by Roberto Orci who's a notorious conspiracy theorist who believes that governments act just like movie villains and thus his villains are one-dimensional caricatures of what should be compelling characters. Look at that whole "Doctor Kafka" scene which was just cringeworthy where he tortures Elctro for no logical reason but he's German so he's going to do it to be EVIL!!!!! Then Electro decides that he doesn't want revenge on the NYPD for jumping the gun or Spider-Man for the "callous" sin of forgetting his name. He wants to get revenge on the entire city of New York. Then Harry decides that he doesn't want revenge on Peter, he wants vengeance on GWEN STACY! This is after he gets the cure that Peter was withholding from him which A. would have had the exact same effect if Peter gave harry his blood in the first place and B. gave Harry absolutely no motivation for seeking revenge other than, "I'M EVIL!!!"
These are villains with nothing to gain whatsoever from their plans. They have no purpose other than opposing Spider-Man for reasons that don't make any sense whatsoever. This isn't surprising coming from a man who used the term, "coincidence theorists" on his Twitter account.
It's not like Sony needs Spider-Man to be profitable. They have Jump Street, Men in Black, Robocop James Bond, The Smurfs and Underworld as bankable franchises. They can also make a film based on Uncharted, Killzone, Planetside or Infamous since they own the IP for those INDEFINITELY. In fact, they could also do a Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank or Sly Cooper animated film with their video game IP.
Point being, Sony is sitting on a potential goldmine of properties to develop, especially since they're also a video game company. So why are they holding on to the rights to Spider-Man and trying to shove an unwanted Sinister Six spin-off down our throats? Sony's gaming properties are things that Sony owns the merch rights for so an aggressive marketing strategy is actually worthwhile for those, not to mention things like shirts, toys, etc which also generate revenue. Even with games based on the Spider-Man films, those are made by Activision, which is one less reason for Sony to develop Spider-Man instead of some Playstation films.
Sony is just setting itself up for two massive flops in a row, one an overcrowded sequel, the other simply existing just to do a spin-off when Sony's track record is already pretty shaky to begin with. I mean, Fox gave us TWO bad X-Men movies and that was enough to scare them into repairing the brand. Sony on the other hand has made THREE low-quality Spider-Man films. THREE. And now there are reports of them delaying TASM3 to 2017 when they'll be competing with Thor, Justice League, The Flash, Wonder Woman, Wolverine, Fantastic Four and possibly one or two more Marvel Studios films. TASM3 would just get lost in the noise and become a punchline. We as fans are truly living in the Clone Saga of the Spider-Man film franchise. There are loose ends everywhere, it seems it will never end, the brand is damaged and apathy has completely set in. Thanks, Sony.
